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0830, 24 Apr 20

Freedom Protests in Madison Today


People planning to rally Friday against Wisconsin’s “Safer at Home” order say they will proceed, even though their permit to hold it on Capitol grounds, was denied.

Similar to the rally in Brookfield last Saturday, the one scheduled in Madison is expected to be much bigger. It has the potential to be the largest to date in Wisconsin, with thousands saying on Facebook that they’re going. Nearly 12,000 more say they’re interested in going.

TMJ4 News has learned that some protestors are planning to stay in their cars for a “drive-in” rally. They’ll circle the streets surrounding the Capitol. Still, many plan to get out of their vehicles for a more traditional protest.

“I’m just trying to make sure that we uphold the constitution, and to have our rights protected as Americans,” said one mother from Oak Creek who plans to be in Madison for the protest

I hope they remain safe and take reasonable measures, but huzzah for people sticking up for our rights.

I do think it’s very telling what these folks are protesting versus what the liberals in Wisconsin protesting just a few years ago.

Huge demonstrations were planned for Thursday after protesters marched for three straight days—with crowds up to 20,000 hitting the capital Wednesday—to rail against Gov. Scott Walker’s proposed budget. While the budget calls for a 7 percent pay reduction for public employees—mainly by forcing workers to pay more into to health insurance and pensions—the biggest bone of contention for workers is the governor’s proposed end to collective bargaining rights for unions. School districts were forced to close Thursday after a massive “sickout” by teachers and the union called on all 98,000 of its members to attend rallies at the capital. Hundreds of University of Wisconsin students also joined in Wednesday, in support of teachers and against a part of the budget that calls to split UW-Madison from the rest of the University of Wisconsin system.

The group today is protesting to preserve their rights to speech, assembly, work, movement, jury trials, and other rights that we used to hold sacred. You won’t see any lefties in the protest today. They only get out of bed to protest when someone threatens the taxpayer gravy train.


0830, 24 April 2020


  1. jjf

    And a special message for #REOPEN WISCONSIN was posted by Brian Westrate, “I am Christian, husband, father, small businessman, libertarian Republican, Treasurer of Republican Party of Wisconsin, RNC Delegate, WI Presidential Elector”:

    Ok folks, I implore you, please leave Confederate flags and/or AR15s, AK47s, or any other long guns at home. Let’s not give the MSM the opportunity to paint us as racists or extremists.

    And before anyone starts hammering away know that I own more tactical guns than some small nations, and I well understand that the Confederacy was more about states rights than slavery.

    But that does not change the truth of how we should try to control the optics during the event next week.

    That darn MSM, always trying to make the conservatives look bad!

    But if you want to read the rest of his excuses for his behavior, there’s always twitter . com / BrianWestrate .

    So can we use all that invective the WisGOP used for the Act 10 protesters?

  2. dad29

    Notice that most of the Nanny-Lecturing-Twits are people who are on the Public Permanent Payroll?

    Not all.  Jiffy is a Nanny-Twit, but he’s so damn smart and resourceful that he continues to prosper.  Just ask him.

  3. jjf

    Can’t defend the Confederacy lovers, so ad hominem the messenger, hmm?  So Christ-like this morning!  The head-spinning must be so difficult.  We’re the party of Lincoln!  We freed the slaves, but we still wave the flag of the losers!  We jump when the ammosexuals astroturf and say we should protest, but we’re individuals!

    Oh wait, it’s not just the gun nuts behind this one.  Is AFP behind this, too?

  4. jjf

    Apparently you won’t see any leadership from the GOP at the rally today, either.  Wouldn’t like the optics.

  5. Kevin Scheunemann

    Confederate flag people are just closet left wing socialists trying to smear conservatives. It was,the Democrats that were slave owners.

    Republicans took their slaves away and the left wing confederate liberal Democrats have been ticked ever sense.

    I agree, stop letting confederate flag leftists from infiltrating a good conservative freedom rally. Liberals never believe in freedom.

  6. jjf

    Look on the bright side, Kev.  There’s only been one swastika spotted so far.

  7. Le Roi du Nord

    “confederate flag leftists”    Ha !  Another oxymoron from the pro.

  8. Kevin Scheunemann


    Afraid to admit the truth?

    Nazi’s were always socialists by self admission.

    Confederates were Democrat slave owners by self admission.




  9. Le Roi du Nord

    And you say you are a “conservative”, but you are far from it.

  10. Kevin Scheunemann


    Again, we are not talking about me but what Nazi’s and Democrat slave owners beleieved they were.


  11. Kevin Scheunemann


    Snopes is leftist disinformation….

    The Nazis beleived they were socialists.   Stalin even believed it…how do you think they made a peace pact?

    Like many petty socialists, the continent just wasn’t big enough for the both of them.

    Stop it with disinformation.   We are suppose to dispute people who proclaim themselves as socialists now?

    I take them at their word.

  12. Le Roi du Nord


    Perhaps you should make that claim to the 20 million+ Russian soldiers and civilians that perished fighting the nazis.

    And the “peace pact” you misrepresent was the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, put in place so that Russia and Germany could divide up the lands between them, Estonia, Latvia, Finland, and Poland.  Not because they were socialist soulmates.

    But don’t let history stand in the way of your ideology.

  13. Kevin Scheunemann


    They both were self proclaimed socialists.

    Just because you do not like that fact, soes not mean we can re-write history to make socialism less evil.


  14. Pat

    What was with the military outfits and ARs?

  15. Le Roi du Nord


    Were you curious enough to read this you might learn something.  But you have passed on opportunities to learn so many times in the past that I doubt you will avail yourself to this as well.  Some things will never change.

  16. Le Roi du Nord

    And a question for you protestors:  WI is following the guidance promoted by the trump administration (he just chastised the GA governor for opening up early), so what were the trump banners all about?  Protesting his policies, or supporting them?  If they were truly against the Safer at home policy they would also be opposing trump. Or don’t they actually understand what they are protesting?

  17. Kevin Scheunemann


    Yes, liberals denying their awful fellow ilk in history….no surprise there.   Liberals are totally dishonest.


  18. Le Roi du Nord

    Seems like you are the revisionist here.  A pity that you are so hidebound by your ideology that knowledge escapes you.  Awful.  Just awful.


  19. Kevin Scheunemann


    So when do you dispute or disavow people who claim to be socialists?

    Just people you hate?   Just people that make socialists look bad?

    Is there a purity test?


  20. Le Roi du Nord

    Like they say:  “If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, it is probably a duck.”  Nazis were fascists.  And just because you deny that doesn’t make you correct.

  21. dad29

    Nazis were fascists

    So is anyone who rules by executive decree and abrogates natural rights, such as free exercise of religion, freedom to assemble, and the pursuit of happiness.

    *Cough* Evers *Cough*

  22. Mar

    In reality,calling people, whatever your political side is basically meaning you have horse shit for brains.
    Real Nazis killed millions of people, tortured millions more.
    The hard core Nazis do not exist anymore, as far as I can tell.
    If there are people pretending to be Nazis, well, they one of the lowest creatures on Earth, along with child molesters and hard core murderers.

  23. Kevin Scheunemann


    So you deny the ducks right to self identify as a socialist because you hate ducks?

    So now liberals are intolerant of self identification and identity politics?

    Since when?

    I thought the divine right to self identify as whatever one wants was sacrosanct in the left religion?

    Just not socialists that make your evil ideology look bad?

  24. Mar

    “What was with the military outfits and ARs?”
    Another Twitter source?

  25. Le Roi du Nord


    No, not at all.  The ducks can call themselves giraffes for all I care, but they are still ducks, walk like ducks, and talk like ducks. Even you, holder of the absolute truth, and mar, most educated and second most boastful citizen of the US, should know that.   And the nazis are still fascists.

    I once bought a car from a GM dealer, marketed, sold, maintained, and labeled as a GM product.  Yet it was identical in appearance to a Suzuki, performed just like a Suzuki, used Suzuki parts throughout, and was made by Suzuki in Canada.  Now you tell me it was a Buick.  Amazing.

    And nazis are still fascists.

  26. Mar

    I take back the last comment. I saw pictures of both.

  27. Mar

    So, Le Roi, are you saying the people attending the rally were Nazis?
    If so, which ones? Did they have Nazi uniforms on?

  28. Kevin Scheunemann


    Then liberals are socialist sympathizers.

    You just got done lecturing me about words I use in your PC world. So a radical redefinition of what Nazi’s believed they were is just fine by you?

    Then you should not have a problem with the exposure of liberal sympathy with ideological socialist evil that started this post.

  29. Le Roi du Nord


    Not at all.  You have called me a “liberal” countless times, but I am certainly not a socialist sympathizer.  But then your whole schtick is calling others things they aren’t to boost your self-importance.

    I care not what you believe, or what label you slap on your forehead.  Actions matter.  nazis acted like fascists, talked like fascists.  They were, and are fascists.

  30. Le Roi du Nord

    No mar, I didn’t say that.

  31. Mar

    Le Roi, the only fascists I know of today is ANTIFA, the group many liberals love.
    Do you support ANTIFA?

  32. Mar

    Good, Le Roi, just jjf said that. I guess he has horseshit for brains.

  33. Le Roi du Nord

    Good question, mar.  Since ANTIFA defines themselves as:

    “a political protest movement comprising autonomous groups affiliated by their militant opposition to fascism and other forms of extreme right-wing ideology”.

    So according to k, since ANTIFA self identifies as being actively opposed to fascism (hence the name),  they must not be fascists.  Hence ANTIFA is not a fascist group, and is actively opposed to fascism.   Best you have that discussion with k.

    No, I don’t support them, or other militant radicals.

  34. jjf

    Dad29, you think the law doesn’t give broad powers to many levels of government in the case of war or health emergency?  Does this mean that the entire government, from Trump on down, are fascists?

    Mar, what did I say that you didn’t like here?  You’re hard to follow when you mumble.

  35. Mar

    jjf: “Look on the bright side, Kev.  There’s only been one swastika spotted so far.”
    Horseshit for brains, definitely.

  36. jjf

    You didn’t see the guy who put a swastika on his poster?  He was trying to call Evers a Nazi.  Har har!  I did Nazi that coming!  Very clever!  He’s exactly like Hitler!

    And then there’s all the tacti-cool guys.  What does that have to do with anything, other than white privilege and intimidation?

  37. Kevin Scheunemann


    Since you are claiming things should be honest in you PC world, why are you not honest with historical fact that Nazi’s believed they were socialists?

  38. jjf

    Kevin, you’re not happy with any analysis of history from anyone other than D’stortz D’Newsa.  How can we satisfy your demands to jump, and how high?

  39. Kevin Scheunemann


    You are not satisfied with the truth.

  40. Le Roi du Nord

    “You are not satisfied with the truth.”

    Well certainly not your version.  Nor your alternative facts, nor your “truth isn’t the truth” nonsense.


  41. Kevin Scheunemann


    So you embrace historical revisionist lies, overtly, because it makes socialists look bad?

    What is next?  Stalin was not a socialist?  Mao? Castro? Mugabe? Pol Pot? Chavez? Maduro?

    How many historical socialist monsters do you want to conduct historical revisionism on becaue of your PC inability to accept the truth?

    Socialism is the ideology of human rights monsters.

    It is that simple.   I can’t help that you sympathize with human right monsters through history.



  42. Le Roi du Nord

    “So you embrace historical revisionist lies, overtly, because it makes socialists look bad ?”

    Not at all.  But right now you are promoting a revisionist history unsupported by fact or the historical record.  I embrace the truth, where ever it is.  I dislike folks (including you)  who are so hidebound by ideology that they resort to alternative facts to promote a false narrative.  You claim the nazis were socialists.  trump says the Brits had airports in North America during the revolutionary war.  Take your pick.  Neither claim has any factual basis in the historical record.

  43. jjf

    Kevin, you work so hard to avoid reality.  Yes, history is complex!  You can’t always squeeze someone into a pigeon-hole and then call them a pigeon. You just keep looking for bigger and bigger brushes to tar everything you can see except what you’re doing.

    For example, yes, Democrats supported slavery at some point in history, and your logic continues to say there are still those who call themselves Democrats today, so therefore they must still be pro-slavery.

    And yes Republicans did a lot to end slavery at some point in history, and yet you can see Republicans waving Confederate flags today and being openly racist today and your head doesn’t spin and your head doesn’t care.

    Human rights violations.  Oh, there’s been more than a few over the years.  Millions dead, sacrificed to the whims of crazed authoritarians.  Horrid.  Many, yes, had their own flavors of communism.  Some didn’t.  Some made their own flavors. And they didn’t even like each other.  Schisms.  Pick axes to the head.

    Some even called themselves capitalists.  Have you ever fret about the Belgians in the Congo?

    Be fair.  Look at all of history.  The Brits and our country too.

  44. dad29

    Gummint may certainly institute measures in case of emergency.  But those measures must be narrowly tailored to address the emergency.  On that, Evers has failed miserably.  LeeeeeeeeeeeeeeRoy’s soon-to-be-bankrupt little tourist town does not need the “hide under your beds” oppression which may–repeat “MAY”–be best for Milwaukee.

    “May” because it’s clear from Da Syennnzzzz that being outdoors is far more healthy than being indoors, especially if there’s a carrier living under the same roof.

    Then there’s the question of herd immunity–which has plenty of support in Da Syenzzzzzz community even if Fauci and Scarf don’t like it.  And we damn well better GET to herd immunity before Wave Two (also Syennnnzzzz) hits, no?

    And I’m not all that happy with Trump’s BAZILLION-DOLLAR debt generation, either.

  45. Mar

    jjf says “And yes Republicans did a lot to end slavery at some point in history, and yet you can see Republicans waving Confederate flags today and being openly racist today and your head doesn’t spin and your head doesn’t care”
    And your evidence?
    Horsescrap for brains.

  46. Mar

    Sadly, jjf, you have shown to be the racist around here.
    No wonder you want the lockdown in Wisconsin to continue.
    Blacks are more likely to be affected by the lockdown.
    Blacks are over proportionally affected and dying by Chinese virus. And more are dying in the lock down.
    Who is the Nazi around here?
    Why, it’s jjf.

  47. jjf

    Dad29, it’s just common sense, right?  New York has crowded living conditions and East Bumblefritz, WI up in Clark County is pretty sparse.

    So why do some in rural WI think the virus won’t get there eventually? Maybe not this week, but maybe next month or this summer after the lockdown is lifted?

    It’s going to sweep through the employer where “everybody” works, as we’ve already seen in a few factories around the state. It’s going to come to the workers at the Walmart where you shop on Saturday. It’ll be in the churches and the bars. It’ll come home. It’s just a matter of when, isn’t it?

    Tell me how it’s not going to get there.  Tell me it’s just like the flu…  and I’ll ask, how do the colds and the flu get to East Bumblefritz?

    Tell me more what “narrowly tailored” should’ve been.  You want the lake people to return to East Bumblefritz to help restore the economy, but you don’t want them to bring the ‘Rona with them?

    And Mar, there’s plenty of racism out there in the world to go around.  And please, tell me your theory about all those Confederate flags and that they’re just Democrats driving those pickups just to make Republicans look bad.

  48. Kevin Scheunemann


    Curious, so do you deny the Republican party was founded to end slavery and Democrat slaveowners?

    I still see the ongoing Republican mission to end modern day liberal slavery in Democrat party. Slavery advocacy is a continuing problem in Democrat Party.

    So you want to revise history there as well to make your liberal ideology less evil?

  49. Le Roi du Nord


    You are getting your history all twisted up.  The R’s were originally opposed to expansion (bold mine) of slavery into new states and territories. not to abolish slavery in southern states (see Kansas-Nebraska Act).  And they were the liberals of the day, and supported economic reform.  After 1912 the party underwent an ideological shift to the right (TR was a well documented closet racist).  Following the Civil Rights Act (1964) and the Voting Rights Act (1965), the party’s core base shifted and formerly Democratic southern states became Republican.  Nixon et al used the “Southern Strategy” to garner votes in white areas of southern states.   (J.Formieri, S.V. Gabbard, J. Randal, J.N. Zingher et al)

    So k, I disagree with your take on 1850’s history, the role of the R’s in ending modern day liberal slavery, and your utter disregard for the historical record. And I pity you, not for your lack of curiosity, but for your inability to shake loose your chains and walk into the light.


  50. jjf

    I wonder if Kev also thinks the Civil War was about state’s rights and not about state’s rights to own slaves.

  51. Kevin Scheunemann


    That is the biggest load of bunk I have ever seen.

    Republicans always oppsed slavery, still do.

    Democrats were big on slavery,and yearn to make everyone a slave to government.

    There is no nuance of history revisionism here,it is all in your PC head to soften the blow of your horrible ideology.


  52. Le Roi du Nord


    Direct your complaints not to me, but to the numerous historians that disagree with you. I only provided you with the opportunity to learn and grow and add knowledge to your noggin. It is your choice to remain in the darkness.

  53. Mar

    outside?, Le Roi, are there liberal racists out there today? Liberal policies that are racist?

  54. Kevin Scheunemann


    Socialist historians have a vested interest to rewrite the horrible human rights abuses of their fellow socialist ilk.   It is just disappointing a smart guy like you would fall for such awful revisionism.


  55. dad29

    The supposition that the Chinese Commie Virus “can be stopped” is ridiculous, as history has shown with other common viruses such as flu and the cold–and AIDS, for that matter.

    Yep, all those dinky little towns WILL get cases–and in fact, probably already had several or hundreds.

    We have no intelligent choice other than building herd immunity, which is why Jiffy and LeeeeeeeeeeeeeRoy favor the other one.

    As to the rest of your bullshit, PASS.

  56. jjf

    You’re the one who said more “narrowly tailored.”  I asked what you meant by that.  To me, it indicates that you do recognize that lockdown makes sense – to do what, maybe we disagree, but you’re not even willing to say it can help to reduce cases, and that there’s some good in that?  Testing and reduction of spreading of known cases would help a lot, too, if we want to wave our hands about what “more narrowly tailored” could mean.  Sure, it would be great to only lock down the infected.  You really want to head to “papers please” lockdowns?

  57. Le Roi du Nord


    That was going to be the next topic in the series.  Great minds think alike.

  58. Le Roi du Nord


    How do you know that the historians I cite, or any others for that matter, are socialists?  Just because they disagree with you?  Because they use facts and the historical record?  Please expound, providing your proof that they are socialists.

  59. Le Roi du Nord


    Or maybe you should agrue your point with Brian Westrate, Treasurer of the Republican Party of Wisconsin, who said, “And before anyone starts hammering away know that I own more tactical guns than some small nations, and I well understand that the Confederacy was more about states rights than slavery.”

  60. Kevin Scheunemann


    Anyone who whitewashes the awful human rights abuses of socialism/communism through history is clearly a socialist sympathizer.   How else can you wipe away the abuse, the body count, and the torture away from history committed in name of leftist ideology?    I am still shocked a smart guy like you sympathizes and defends the whitewash of history.

    Maybe I am wrong about you being smart after all.

  61. Mar

    jjf, did the lockdown make sense in NYC?
    Does the lockdown make sense in rural areas? Does it make sense?
    I live in a county that is bigger than the state of Massachusetts. Does it make sense lock down the county with less than 100 cases?

  62. jjf

    Again, Mar, the alternative was what?  Yes, I think if NYC had not had a lockdown, there would’ve been more cases at once.

    As for your county, I do have some sympathy for the idea that there isn’t as much mixing when people are already more socially distant, that they aren’t shopping and dining out even as much as people do in a Milwaukee suburb.  How many cases would make you think even a rural county should lockdown?  If it sweeps through one big factory, and all those folks take it home…

    But how would county-by-county lockdown really work in Wisconsin?  Jefferson County has had few cases and no deaths so far.  If you locked down Milwaukee, Waukesha, Dane…  I think people would’ve easily driven less than an hour to the adjacent county for dinner and bars and shopping.

  63. Mar

    And if they practiced proper social distancing and good hygiene, there would have been minimal harm.

  64. Mar

    And they would be getting the herd mentality and immunity from the virus.

  65. Le Roi du Nord


    Now you are off on another tangent. Nowhere did I ever say I was a “socialist sympathizer”. You made that false claim. What I did say is that you have a very tenuous grasp of history, distorted by your ideology, and enhanced by your unwillingness to acquire knowledge.

    I may not be a smart guy, but by your example I am a genius.

  66. jjf

    Mar, maybe by now you’ve seen that the World Health Organization says there’s no proof yet that once infected, you are immune.  They’re trying to make sense of people who seem to be testing positive again after having once had it.

    I know you’re a stickler for 100% proof and certainty.  Do you have it?

  67. Kevin Scheunemann


    I was talking about the biased historians you look up to in holy reverence.

  68. Le Roi du Nord

    How do you they are biased?  Since you have, at best, a tenuous grip on history, how on earth would you know if they were biased or not?  Or just because you disagree with them?

    Let’s see some proof!

  69. Jason

    >How do you they are biased?

    What, I can’t understand your poor spelling and grammar. So much for being highly educated you dumb northern hick.

  70. Mar

    Typical liberal. Let’s quote WHO. And how often have they been correct lately and have they sucked up to China enough for you yet.

  71. Mar

    So, let’s say WHO is right and you don’t become immune, then how do we open up the economy and the world?
    But for the record, I think WHO is wrong.

  72. Kevin Scheunemann


    Simple. When historians soften the blow or romanticize leftist historical human rights violators, like Democrat slaveowners, Stalin, Hitler, Mugabe, Chavez, etc.

    Or try to blame leftist authoritarian human rights violators as something other than sick, leftist, human right violators.

    Any 2 year old not clinging to evil leftist ideology can recognize the bias.

  73. Le Roi du Nord


    You are correct, I screwed up. My sincere apologies. And note, I didn’t need to call you a moron, idiot, stupid, a murderer, socialist, fascist, communist, uneducated, or a hick. But you can apply whichever applies to you.

  74. Mar

    Meanwhile, those medical experts are forcing New York nursing homes to accept patients with Chinese virus.
    And about 3500 nursing home residents have died as a result of that order.
    Trust the medical experts, they say. They know what they are doing.

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