BUENOS AIRES, Argentina (AP) — Dozens of trophies, balls and cups sit on two worn, wooden shelves in the small home in a Buenos Aires suburb of Mara Gómez, who is poised to become the first transgender woman to play professional soccer in Argentina.
Tall and athletic, Gómez looks at the mementos from her arduous journey in soccer and life, and smiles. “When I started I was so bad. I’d kick the ball at the goal and it would go anywhere.”
Gómez spent years playing in local women’s leagues in Buenos Aires province before being signed recently by Villa San Carlos in the first division. Now the 22-year-old forward is awaiting the Argentine Soccer Federation’s decision whether to authorize the signing in a soccer-mad country that has produced some of the world’s greatest stars, from Lionel Messi to Maradona.
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The federation’s decision on Gómez could come in days, and in the run-up her cellphone pings constantly with messages from people reaching out to her. While many support her bid to play professional soccer, others contend it is unfair to the non-transgender women in the league.
“The rights of transgender athletes and the social demands to integrate them into competitions challenge and seriously threaten the rights of women in sports,” said Juan Manuel Herbella, a former soccer player who is a sports doctor. “Athletes who were born men, if they maintain their base conditions, start with an enormous advantage.”
Juan Cruz Vitale, the Villa San Carlos coach, rejects the idea that Gómez would have an unfair advantage.
The coach said she caught his eye with her speed and her scoring in two straight tournaments. But, he said, “If we talk of strength, I have at least five or six girls who are stronger than her. On that side I don’t see that there is an advantage.”
“…but science” is the liberal refrain.
Awful Hypocrites.
Nope, wrong on every level.
I am shocked our local science disciples aren’t lecturing how awful it is to ignore the science of biologcal sex and chromosomes in instances like this.
Amazing how quiet our local loud mouth scientists are when science is being denied here.
This isn’t a science issue, but rather one of policy.
Nord,
So those denying science of biological gender to detriment of others is no big deal, but if I state an innocent belif in creation,which harms no one else, you get whiney like a girl if I don’t renounce my Creationism immediately….
Not following logic.
I don’t care what you belif, never did. It is what you try to foist off as fact that result in my comments.
Nobody is whining here but you.
Nord,
This issue is not a matter of belief, but denying observable science.
You are going to stand by and say nothing while these gender benders deny basic biological science?
Wow. Strange religion you have. You only use science to criticize Christians.
Awful. Just awful.
Miriam Ben Shalom had it right all along.
The issue in sports is that male athletes have an inherent genetic advantage over females. Trans athletes have been cleaning up on womens sports in the US, to the point that women are suing to exclude trans athletes.
https://apnews.com/8fd300537131153cc44e0cf2ade3244b
This article also points out that all of the legal rights and protections women have gained will be impossible to enforce. “The authors describe in brutal detail how the current claptrap about “gender identity” that’s been making the rounds actually serves to undermine the rights and safety of women, children, gays, and lesbians.”
https://hotair.com/archives/jazz-shaw/2020/02/14/biologists-propose-radical-concept-two-genders-sexes/
k:
Again, this a policy decision:
“Now the 22-year-old forward is awaiting the Argentine Soccer Federation’s decision whether to authorize the signing in a soccer-mad country that has produced some of the world’s greatest stars, from Lionel Messi to Maradona”.
If the ASF doesn’t want transgender folks, it is their decision. If they do, it is also their decision. I don’t think they give a rats patoot what you belif.
Nord,
But you should be lecturing all of us on the denial of biological science.
Go!
You don’t need to be Christian to deny science, do you?
Jjf,
Usually gender benders who deny biological science are not Christian.
This is a much more obvious denial of science and Nord is silent about science denial here.
Fascinating, don’t you think? Some science, in his view, has to be pounded like a realigious zealot, while other science we should ignore to feed a perverse liberal political agenda/belief system.
Awful. Just awful.
Science doesn’t care about soccer games.
Jjf,
But Science determines biological gender.
Why do we ignore that to corrupt that so a man can feel all superior playing against women?
It’s amazing how silent you both are on disregard of science here.
Deafening. Hypocritical. Awful.
k:
This is a policy issue. If the ASF wants to allow three-legged transgender Martians in the league that is their decision.
And you are the last guy to use science to prove your point. You deny everything else but want to apply it here only to serve your purposes. Hypocrite.
Nord,
So we can ignore science when it is a “policy issue”?
I like it!
I am going to use that one, constantly, to beat back warming cult, and extend my advocacy of Creationism in policy.
Love it.
Glad we achieved this understanding…and tolerance for Creationism.
Who said we should ignore science? Kevin, you shouldn’t ignore science.
Jjf,
The fact we allow a biological man to pretend to be a woman without a wink of scientific protest concerning his biological birth chromosomes….
You guys are hilarious how fast you run from science on this.
Just keep on entertaining me in your gross hypocrisy.
This particular decision may be a policy decision, but if the policy contradicts science then women will have lost another battle in their fight for an equal playing field. How long until women are completely shut out of sports by trans athletes?
Yes, Kevin, given what science has shown us about variation in human gene expression sure casts a funny shadow on traditional male / female sports distinctions, doesn’t it? The science doesn’t change based on your opinion. Heaven forbid we change the Eternal Nature of Sports! It’s God’s Will, especially when it comes to Sunday circuses!
> trans athletes?
Maybe it’s time to coin a new term? Transletes?
Jjf,
What are you talking about? Chromosomes don’t change.
This is all about people denying that science….and you libs allow people to flaunt obvious science here.
Why?
Nord was very eloquent, we can ignore science if it is a policy decision!
jjf:
Actually just the opposite, by two biologists:
https://hotair.com/archives/jazz-shaw/2020/02/14/biologists-propose-radical-concept-two-genders-sexes/
k:
First, thank you for recognizing my eloquence. You were long overdue in that regard.
“Chromosomes don’t change” Really?
You ignore and deny science all the time, be it on CC/GW, evolution, medicine, geologic and human history, physics, hydrology, water quality, etc…. Once again you are selective in your use of science in your argument.
Nord,
You are also selective, given your silence on your topic.
So no need to criticize when I exercise the “divine right of Nord science selectivity.”
In case you want to avoid future hypocrisy…
What would happen if a male soccer player wanted to play on the US female soccer team? Maybe a small college player or a good high school player, since that is the talent of the women’s team.
You think Megan Rapinoe and the rest of her team would openly accept this guy?
Yeah, I doubt it.
Also doubt that a woman who identifies as a male could even come close to being qualified to being on the men’s team.
k:
I have been far from silent here, just look above. Nor have I invoked any “divine right”. That is your gimmick, and I’ll leave it to you.
Nord,
You denied this is about science, when it is completely a out ignoring science. You indicated we can ignore science because it is a “policy decision”.
I will use same standard. Why are you all bent out of shape?
Here’s a story about an orangutan becoming a person Argentina.
Perhaps they can play on a womans team?
https://apnews.com/f5bf0834c9363563815318ca37b3de8a
The orangutan is just transanimal.
Great, the orangutan was declared a non-human person. Now, if only the ASF would declare non-human persons eligible to compete, we’d be set for a real conundrum to worry over.
k:
I didn’t deny any science. But I did say that this is a policy decision to be considered by the ASF. You are bent out of shape because you can’t bully them around.
Nord,
If the science was not ignored…there is no real policy decison/debate here.
You are awful in your science selectivity.
As a claimed purist, employing science in all things, the lecture here, on your part, should be clear. Why do you ignore science when it comes to upholding perversion of biological sex?
The deeper question, Kevin, is why culture has so often made a distinction between men and women, and had to put everyone into categories, and why.
Jjf
Because that is BIOLOGY. Science.
I could also give you the biblical answer, but Nord/liberals here have demonstrated intolerance for that, so I will not poke him with it.
Go on, Kevin, you great fan of science, tell me all that science has learned about the relationships between genes, gender, and sex.
Jjf,
Nobody disputes biological science
.
What is new is this liberal, sick, cultishbelief that gender is separate from biological sex.
That cult belief requires a total rejection of science, I figured you 2 would be over all this science rejection!
So cultism of left ignores science…go figure.
“tell me all that science has learned about the relationships between genes, gender, and sex.”
To start with, males have a penis and women have a vagina. And there is a difference in DNA. Didnt you learn anything in elementary school science?
I’m sure you learned more since grade school.
Yeah Mar, aren’t you up to date on latest gender cult in liberal lexicon that denies all biological science without a peep from jjf and Nord?
I continue to be shocked by their silence on th science here. Horrible hypocrites is the best term I can think of.
Since the usual deniers are going all in on their science creds, how do you explain organisms with characteristics of both sexes that occur in nature??
There are ~65000 animal species that are hermaphroditic, lots of plants as well. Some right here in the Badger State.
Hermaphroditic humans have been described for 1000’s of years, the Greeks even had a god with those traits (Hermaphroditis). There are a wide variety of X and Y combinations that occur in approximately 1% of the human population, resulting in a similar wide variety of internal and external sexual organs and characteristics. Syndromes like Klinefelters, and Turners are but two of a number of well documented conditions. Based on the rate of occurrence of births with any or all of those conditions you have probably met someone so afflicted.
Deny away !
Nord,
We are talking about human beings. Not other species.
Try to stay with pertinent science.
You are really going the extra mile to deny science here in favor of the liberal gender cult.
It is hilarious.
k:
Reading for comprehension still problematic for you, eh?
“Hermaphroditic humans have been described for 1000’s of years”, (see above).
Deny away.
Shh, Le Roi! He wants everyone to fit into two neat bins and he has some neat Bronze Age guidelines in mind for the roles of both groups. Although I don’t think the Bible has any rules for soccer teams.
Nord, jjf,
That is NOT what article is talking about here. This is about biological men pretenfmdung to be women.
Awful your science denial here. Just awful.
How do you know that some of the men aren’t women?
Jjf,
Because they would be women, not men.
You cannot change biological gender. You can cut off, mutilate, and abuse body parts, in horrible mental illness, but men cannot be women and women cannot be men.
People can pretend and deny science. We should treat mental illness when it comes to slicing off body parts, not indulge it.
Clearly with you 2, science is out window here…shocking. just shocking
Wait, are we talking about circumcision again?
Le ROI does present an interesting point with Hermaphroditites. Sports have really haven’t decided the issue, other than doing testing on them to determine what sex they are closest. A South Africa runner who ran in the Olympics and won a gold. Many people were upset and said she was a male. The runner went in numerous tests and the sport authorities determined the run in male events but the runner got to keep their gold medal.
But this is not the case here. The guy is a male and should not compete in women’s sports
Jjf,
Nobody is claiming opposite gender by circumcisions.
Why do you being up awful irrelevancies to deflect from fact you and Nord advocate total rejection of biological science when it comes to men pretending to be women?
Your ridiculous diversions are awful. Just awful.
Why do you 2 abandon science here?
Kevin, the problem isn’t with the science. It’s just a human problem that doesn’t fit into your boxes, so it’s perplexing you. You’re the one who is saying that sports are important and sports need to be segregated or they’re not sports and think of the children and dogs and cats living together.
You’re the one who said “You can cut off, mutilate, and abuse body parts.” You seem to like it some circumstances – even performed involuntarily on a newborn.
Imagine being a teen and feeling like your body didn’t match who you felt you were, inside.
k:
You keep claiming that we are denying or abandoning science, yet when confronted with real actual science you double down on that nonsensical claim.
The “observable science” that you claim I am denying is solid in that there is a broad spectrum of X and Y variants that result in all sorts of internal and external sex/gender characteristics. If you wish to claim otherwise, feel free, but use facts rather than your uninformed opinion.
Getting back to my original premise – that this is strictly a policy issue, is still true. If the ASF wants to allow transgender athletes to participate, that is their policy decision. And they probably don’t give a hoot about the intolerant rantings of a guy in EC WI. If you want to change it, move to Argentina and join the ASF. Otherwise you are just another angry and impotent bully stomping his foot and throwing a tantrum.
Grow up.
Nice of you two FUDs to bring up noise in the form of Hermaphrodites and other very rare genetic abnormalities. The discussion wasn’t about dual gender, it was about how the Left has allowed “Gender Fluidity” to gain enough traction that it’s causing issues with Gendered activities. The topic is about an athlete that is born MALE and want’s to play with FEMALE athletes.
Value adding as always. You two are as useless as a fart in the air conditioning.
Le Roi, you could’ve added “Awful. Just awful.” for effect. I think it’s required.
j:
“The topic is about an athlete that is born MALE and want’s to play with FEMALE athletes.”
Exactly. And that is policy decision that has to be made by the ASF. k brought science into it in his very first snark and continued down that rabbit hole the entire time. Your problem is with him, not me.
Nord,
You don’t get to this policy decision without ignoring tge science of biological sex.
Where is your incredulous lecture on ignoring science here?
You toss science the minute your gender bending religion calls for it.
k:
Science isn’t going to save you here. You are just too narcissistic and willfully ignorant to admit you opened your yap before you engaged what little grey matter you possess.
Awful, just awful. (With a tip of the hat to jjf)
Not looking for science to save me. Only Jesus does that.
Looking for you to be consistent with your “science”.
Clearly, you ignore the science here. I just want you to realize you are ignoring science.
All I am interested in is: you acknowledging the reality of your perverse anti-science position.
Just looking for honesty from you.
k:
It matters not how many times you invoke science on this issue, you are still wrong. This isn’t a question of science, but of policy.
Sorry, but contrary to your nonsense, I don’t have a “perverse anti-science position”. You, on the other hand have denied science at every opportunity, and continue to do so.
There is some honesty for you.
I guess slavery was a policy decision, right Le Roi?
It was the policy (and law) of the US to allow slavery in certain states until the Emancipation Proclamation. So you are correct.
Women are free to join the NFL, right?
Nord,
I guess no honesty from you then.
Disappointing
Typical of you, disappointed in reality. Point out what was dishonest.
Awful. Just awful. Have a Dilly Bar!
Jjf,
I know. Your denial of biological science here is awful. Just awful.
I’ll remember this thread the next time you 2 want to passionately scream “but science”.
You 2 disregard your “scientific” morality faster than a teenager with whiskey and car keys.
>Women are free to join the NFL, right?
More distraction. But since I’m here, please cite the official NFL verbiage that bans them. I’ll wait.
k:
Nobody denied science here. This is just another case where you can’t exert complete control over policy decisions made by someone else and it makes you frustrated and angry. So you resort to all sorts of foot stomping, dishonest claims, name calling and false witness in an effort to salve your impotence and to make you feel in control. It is your usual coping mechanism for situations that frustrate you. You did the same regarding local school boards changing the name of the mascots. You should seek treatment for your unhealthy control issues.
Jason, women are free to join the NFL. That’s my point. Doesn’t matter if you’re trans, either.
Jiffy smirks: “Jason, women are free to join the NFL”
So then, why don’t they?
Of the course the answer is that women dont have the strength and speed to compete in the NFL. There can be no argument there. That is science.
And that is why no biological male should compete in female sports.
Mar, it couldn’t have anything to do with a hundred years of cultural and educational promotion of football as a sport for Real Men, could it?
Let’s get ourselves agitated about the situation with soccer in Argentina, though.
Jiffy meeps: “..could it?”
Once an imbecile, always an imbecile.
How ’bout the PGA, Jiffy? Does your “educational promotion” experience tell you that pro golf is only a Real Men sport, too? Does your “education” tell you who the golf fanatic was who, in the late 1500’s, came up with the term ‘caddie’? Does it tell you that the first Women’s US tourney in the US was 1894, that a US lassie won top spot at the 1900 Paris Olympics, and that the LPGA was formed only 34 years after 1916’s PGA.
So, why are all these pro golf women from across the world not clamoring to match their skills against the men’s tour?
How ’bout skiing, Jiffy? Does your “educational promotion” experience tell you that Alpine Skiing is just a Real Men sport as well? Lindsey Vonn retired a year ago as the winningest female ski racer in history.
Yet she never cried out that she must be allowed to compete with men. Why would that be?
Oh, I know. It’s all cultural, isn’t it?
jjf, no.
Oh, it wasn’t that long ago that there were people saying that women couldn’t vote and couldn’t equally participate in property ownership or business.
Jjf,
That was back when everyone respected biological science.
Today, we just throw it out. With barely a peep from our resident scientific disciples.
Still awful.
k:
So you claim that “biological science” said women shouldn’t have the right to vote? Could you provide the “science” that lead you to that conclusion? Facts would be great.
Thanks.
Jiffy deflects: “I have zero intellectual capacity and no logical response so I’m gonna hide behind sidestepping, deflection, and change the subject.”
FIFY.
What exactly are you agitated about, MjM?