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1832, 02 Jul 17

Dining Alone?


Many eyebrows were raised when it emerged US Vice-President Mike Pence would not dine alone with a woman who was not his wife.

How old fashioned, the internet cried.

Only, now it seems he is not alone.

A surprise poll for the New York Times has discovered more than half of women agree with him – as well as 45% of men.

And as for a drink? Forget about it. Just 29% of women think that would be appropriate in a one-on-one situation.

What’s most interesting about this story is how it came about. The media – largely dominated by coastal leftists – jumped on Pence with shock and outrage under the assumption that Pence was massively out of step with America’s social norms. It turns out that it is they who are out of the mainstream.


1832, 02 July 2017


  1. billphoto

    The hypocrisy of the media is stunning.  Consider the outrage over Trump’s CNN wrestling video by the MSM versus their silence on what they consider ‘OK’ by their own.

    Yes, the media did have something to say about Kathy Griffin but what about Madonna, Snoop Dogg and DeNiro?  “Artist” in the parking killing Trump twice nightly?  Or those so called comedians like Colbert, Fallon and Kimmel?

    More and more people I speak with are just turning off the news.  Considering most if not all are purveyors of fake news, this comes as not surprise to me.

  2. Kevin Scheunemann

    Liberals are surprised becuse adultery and immorality are an acceptable part of their life lexicon.

    They can’t handle it when a Vice President demonstrates proper Christian values in action.   And are even more surprised when a large chunk of America agrees with them.

    Having proper Christian respect for your wife seems to be a completely foreign concept in the liberal media.

    If we expected that kind of high Christian standard for treatment of women, maybe we would have a lot less single moms, adultery, and divorces.


  3. Le Roi du Nord


    I hope it unintentional that you omitted the POTUS for your critique of liberals.  He is the poster child for all you are complaining about .

  4. Paul

    Illiterate white nationalist troll.

  5. billphoto

    Interesting some fail to ‘get it’.  Pence may be exhibiting good Christian values or he is smart enough to know that even a few minutes alone in an elevator with a woman can become an allegation of rape (or both).  In either case, as Owen so aptly pointed out, the media is disconnected from the values of fly over country and fail to grasp our distrust for the sick modus operandi of their ilk.

  6. NHolland

    Paul (wanna be gangster),
    By definition; an internet troll is a person who sows discord on the internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous or off topic messages with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on topic discussion.

    This definition fits you.

    As for this thread… Pence is “out of step with Americas social norms”. 45% agreed with Pence. That means 55% didn’t. Duh, which number is bigger. Wow, talk about fake…

  7. Paul

    Nobody cares what you think, Le Roi du NHolland.

  8. Kevin Scheunemann


    I don’t think anyone claimed Trump lived Chrisitian values.    Mike Pence does live his Christian values.

    Liberals are shocked by that.   Shock is what happens when a lexicon embraces every piece of moral degeneration possible.

  9. Major Booris

    Shock is what happens when a lexicon embraces every piece of moral degeneration possible.

    I’ve read this sentence a dozen times and still can’t be exactly sure what you’re trying to say, Kevin.

    “It is shocking when new words are invented for morally degenerate practices.” Am I even close? Or were you intending to use some other word in place of ‘lexicon’ there?


  10. Le Roi du Nord

    petite paul:

    Wrong again, Mr. Holland and I are separate entities.  He doesn’t know me, nor do I know him.

    Major:  kevin is on the “learn a word a week” program, but was too cheap to by the whole package; he got the words but not the definitions.

  11. Paul

    Sure. He’s a child molesting piece of shit, and you’re a white nationalist piece of shit.

    Stevie Ryan yourself.

  12. Le Roi du Nord


    As always, the class act.  I’m proud to know you and call you my friend..

  13. billphoto

    So when will the liberals including those that populate the media admit their “way” is not accepted by normal people?

  14. Kevin Scheunemann

    Is “lexicon” too big a word for you guys?

    I keep forgetting to bring it down to elementary school level. Take full responsibility for that….again.

    “Lexicon” is a group body of thought. In this case, liberals embracing every perversion under the sun and being shocked by behavior of morally upright people.

    Did I bring it down to an understandable level?

    I’ve been using “lexicon” since my college days. I used to use term “heterodoxy” for years to describe liberal perversion permeating the culture. However, liberal perversion has spread and it is more in line with a “lexicon” these days vs a “heterodoxy”. “Heterodoxy” would now be a great term for Pence showing Christian values in sea of liberal perversion.

    Had to bulk it back up to college level after dumbing it down. Sorry, to those that don’t have intellect to grasp simple language.

  15. Le Roi du Nord

    noun, plural lexica

    [lek-si-kuh] (Show IPA), lexicons.
    a wordbook or dictionary, especially of Greek, Latin, or Hebrew.

  16. Major Booris


    noun lex·i·con \lek-sə-kän also -kən\

    1: a book containing an alphabetical arrangement of the words in a language and their definitions : dictionary

    2 a : the vocabulary of a language, an individual speaker or group of speakers, or a subject

    b : the total stock of morphemes in a language

    3: repertoire, inventory

    Of these, #3 comes the closest to your interpretation, but it’s still far, far away from being a ‘group body of thought’.

    “Sorry, to those that don’t have intellect to grasp simple language.”

    Dunning-Kruger effect, thy name is Scheunemann.

  17. Kevin Scheunemann

    I was using #2 with the word “liberal”, but as a smart guy, you can figure that out.

    …or maybe not.

  18. Le Roi du Nord


    We mere mortals need to remember that definitions and words mean nothing to kevin. He is the arbiter of all that is right, and has the ability to fabricate new meanings at will to suit his purposes.  In other words, he makes stuff up.

    It is improbable that a lexicon “embraces” much of anything as it is a collection of words.  But it may include the words kevin wants to use.  My bet is that kevin heard a big word he thought was impressive, but didn’t fully understand the meaning.  Now he is scrambling to conceal the fact that he screwed up.  No surprise.

  19. Major Booris

    ‘I don’t know what you mean by “glory”,’ Alice said.

    Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. ‘Of course you don’t — till I tell you. I meant “there’s a nice knock-down argument for you!”‘

    ‘But “glory” doesn’t mean “a nice knock-down argument”,’ Alice objected.

    ‘When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’

    ‘The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’

    – Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass

  20. Le Roi du Nord

    Bravo !!

  21. Jason

    >Pence is “out of step with Americas social norms”. 45% agreed with Pence. That means 55% didn’t. Duh, which number is bigger. Wow, talk about fake…

    Hey, NHolland, your lack of reading comprehension is showing again….  here’s the quote, I tried to bold the key phrase that you did not grasp.

    A surprise poll for the New York Times has discovered more than half of women agree with himas well as 45% of men.

    Stick to defending Al, he could use more of your brand of help.  lol

  22. Kevin Scheunemann

    Major, Nord,

    Guess I need to bring it down to first grade level for you guys.

    When I say the “Liberal lexicon” I am talking about the liberal perversion of language, culture, and thought.   As the definition of “lexicon” generously affords in the dictionary you helpfully possess.

    I could say “Liberal perversion of language, culture, and thought”, but it is more elegant to say “Liberal lexicon” in association with whatever liberal perversion/issue we happen to be talking about.

    Did I dumb it down enough for both of you?

    I did not invent the term,  it has been used by anti-liberal, pro humantiy, conservative activist, David Horowitz for 3 decades.

  23. Major Booris

    I could say “Liberal perversion of language, culture, and thought”, but it is more elegant to say “Liberal lexicon”(…)

    Ah, yes, the same argument you used to justify your preference for ‘speech oppression’ over the correct ‘suppression’ awhile back. I thought favoring one’s personal preferences over established rules was a trait of liberals, but I seem to be mistaken.

  24. Kevin Scheunemann


    Sometimes one has to be blunt instead of elegant.

    Liberalism is that much of a social cancer sometimes.

  25. Le Roi du Nord

    “blunt instead of elegant”.

    Ignorant, yes (just look at k’s recent perversion of the language); elegant, never.

    You used the wrong word in your word salad commentary.  Own it.

  26. Paul

    Tighten that belt around your neck and do a full Robin Williams, Nazi troll.

  27. Kevin Scheunemann


    I own everything I say, as long as you repeat it accurately.

    I really grind your ideological gristle the wrong way, don’t I?



  28. Le Roi du Nord


    You amuse me, as you are the poster child for small-thinking self-proclaimed big-shots. And I have shared your lectures with others, much to the amusement of all.  But no, you don’t own-up to much responsibility.  You can’t even admit you made up your own definition of a word you misused.

  29. Kevin Scheunemann

    So I amuse your ideological gristle?

    It’s the least I can do for my fans.

  30. Le Roi du Nord

    I’m no fan of yours, but a reader because it gives me a chuckle to see what the wack-a-doodles are saying.  To be a “fan” of yours would be like being a fan of small pox.

  31. Kevin Scheunemann


    If “wack-a-doodle” is your intellectual response to my many fine arguments against liberalism…thank you for letting me declare victory.

    So I take it you would rather have President Pence put himself in a possible compromising situation, or worse, act like Bill Clinton when it comes to his marriage?

    Instead of calling me a “wack-a-doodle”, why don’t you just say, “Well done, Mr. Vice President.  How refreshing.”?

  32. Le Roi du Nord

    “my many fine arguments”  Ha, proof of my wack-a-doodle claim.  Thanks for the laugh.

    Who and when Pence wants to dine with someone isn’t any of my business, and really should not matter to anyone other than Pence and whomever the other diner was.  I don’t find any of this refreshing, but rather a disgusting commentary on folks on both sides of the issue.  A pox on them all !

  33. Kevin Scheunemann

    It is clear the liberal media cares…a great deal.

    So you are OK with his display of good, respectful, Christian values?


  34. Le Roi du Nord

    And obviously you care as well.  No one with a lick of sense should give a rats patoot who/when/where he dines.   For the “liberal” media to be critical of his choice is just as ridiculous as you trying to make it look like he is displaying any sort of christian values.

    And if you are an example of “good, respectful, Christian values”, I hope no one else, especially our elected leaders, display any of those traits.

  35. Kevin Scheunemann


    I like to see Christian values on display.   That’s why I care.

    If you really don’t like the liberal media reaction, then can you join me in saying, “Well done Mr. Vice President?”


  36. jonnyv

    Ultimately it comes down to what they mean by “dine alone”. Does that mean just the two of them at a table, in a public place like a cafeteria or McDonalds? Or do they mean dine alone as in a more private setting. There are two HUGE discrepancies there.

    Because if he wouldn’t even have dinner “alone” with someone in a public cafeteria, then I think he is totally out of step with most people.

    I am happily married for 10 years (a week ago) and my wife would have no problem with me having dinner alone with some of my female high school friends who I have known for 20+ years. But she may have an issue if I had that same dinner with a woman I just met. But then again, I doubt it. My wife trusts me and I trust her.

    And if you are scared to be alone with a woman in an elevator for a few moments for fear they will claim some sort of sexual harassment, then I feel very bad for your mindset.

  37. Paul

    Your wife has no concerns because you’re such a shrivel dick to perform.

  38. jonnyv

    Paul, maybe you need a hug. I love you.

  39. Kevin Scheunemann


    It is just good sense to not be in that situation or have your wife dine with you.

    Titus 1:6 indicates a Christian leader should be faithful to his wife.

    Being in a situation where there could be an appearance of unfaithfulness or giving the ability of the godless to falsely talk about such things is what Pence is wisely avoiding.


  40. Le Roi du Nord

    Dining with a woman doesn’t make you unfaithful to your wife.  It it christian to assume the worst in everyone? Is gossip monger part of your job description??

  41. jonnyv

    Kevin, I am not concerned with what other people think of my relationship with my wife. People can talk all they want. If people want to stir up controversy, they will do so regardless of situations. I am capable of being friends with women.

    All I am saying is that I am fine with Pence making those decisions, it is his right. But to say that those are beliefs are in-step with most Americans is not accurate. There are so many aspects to that survey that are not clear. A woman would probably be less comfortable with their significant other having a drink with a woman she doesn’t know than someone she does.

    PS. I am one of those godless people. :)

  42. jonnyv

    FYI. I am also not naive to think that people in powerful positions and public figures may have to live their lives differently than I do. There are plenty of people that will attempt to make a buck or look to cause harm and distress to people in authority positions.

    And as we have seen with the new president, there are optics that need to be considered. And if this is Pence’s way of avoiding all possible issues of impropriety,  I understand that. If this is strictly a moral decision, that is where I disagree personally. But ultimately… his life & his wife.

  43. Kevin Scheunemann


    If we were talking about a Christian led society I would agree wtih you.

    However, we are talking about a society that excuses Clinton-like behavior, but then criticizes Pence’s moral behavior.   That is a a godless society, where one has to act above reproach as a Christian.

    Pence’s precaution is very sound.

  44. Le Roi du Nord

    Nonsense..  I’ll ask again, what makes your version of a christian society any better than a hindu, jewish or buddhist one?

  45. Kevin Scheunemann


    I’ll bite, how is “my version” diffrent than the true Evangelical Christian view?

  46. Le Roi du Nord

    Silly, that wasn’t the question.  try again.

  47. Kevin Scheunemann


    I have to correct the underlying, possibly flawed, assumption in your question first.

  48. Le Roi du Nord

    So you are afraid to answer it?  make something up, you have a lot of experience.

  49. Kevin Scheunemann

    Not afraid to answer it, the question has nothing to do with Pence living his Christian values.

    As best as I can answer your question, Evangelical Christianity is the absolute truth, and Evangelical Christians should never shy a way from the truth, even if the truth upsets the delicate denial of absolute truth of the unbeliever.

  50. Le Roi du Nord

    Thanks, I knew you could make something up to show that you are the all-knowing and all-righteous.  You didn’t disappoint.   And I bet there are all sorts of folks out there of different religious, or non-religious, persuasions that would dispute your claim.  Even christians that don’t fit into your narrow world-view.

  51. Kevin Scheunemann

    Naturally, the godless absolute truth that claims there is no absolute truth would not also fit into your “all-knowing, all-righteous” paridign?

  52. Le Roi du Nord


    If you made some sense some time maybe folks, even me, would take you seriously.  But when you always have to be right, everything is as you say it is, and there is no truth but your truth, you fail to have any credibility.  A little humility would go a long way, as well.

    Have a great night.

  53. Kevin Scheunemann


    Are you upset I have courage to admit my absolute truth?


    The fact you deny the absolute truth you live by:   the fact everything is relative, and absolute truth does not exist?

    It’s about transparency and consistency.  Currently, you have neither, that is where the difficulty comes in.

  54. Le Roi du Nord

    Not a bit.  But I don’t see you as having much courage or initiative, hiding behind religion and a book of fairy tales when the going gets tough.  You bet you are consistent, until the time when you have to tejj the truth.  Transparent you claim, far from it.    And I figure I have been real consistent calling you out as a charlatan, and pretty transparent when I did it.  I think you overestimate your own self-importance.

    Have a great night. I have a book to read.

  55. Kevin Scheunemann

    So this means you will not join me against liberal media in saying “Well done, Mr. Vice President”?

    I tried to reach common ground, but you went for the personal attack again.

  56. Le Roi du Nord

    Your “absolute truth” is not common ground by anyone’s definition.  Your hubris knows no bounds.

  57. Jason

    >If you made some sense some time maybe folks, even me, would take you seriously.  But when you always have to be right, everything is as you say it is, and there is no truth but your truth, you fail to have any credibility.  A little humility would go a long way, as well.

    And yet you continuously return time and time again to try to either “counter” one of Kevin’s statements, or “capture” him in some type of hypocrisy.  Your actions tell any rational person that you do take his statements very seriously.

  58. Kevin Scheunemann


    Of course your comviction…that there is no absolute truth…everything is relative and subject to the liberal feeling whim of the moment…is never hubris on your part?

  59. Le Roi du Nord


    Just putting a little accountability into kevins world.  Otherwise he would have free reign over the readers of this blog spouting all his propaganda.  kevin doesn’t want a discussion, he wants to lecture us all on how right he is, and how wrong everyone else is.  I’m doing my part to help him defend is position, and maybe he will learn something in the process.  So far that doesn’t seem to be working…

  60. Kevin Scheunemann

    Oh Nord,

    I’ll bite….remind me when you “defend” my position on something?

    It is clear you never defend the absolute truth of Evangelical Christianity.   Instead, you make total war on that truth.

    You have to connect the dots for me on that one.

  61. Le Roi du Nord


    By asking the tough questions that you should be able to answer helps you defend your position.  When you decline the opportunity to prove an unsubstantiated claim (i.e.: the earth is 6000 years old) you fail to take advantage of the opportunity to make yourself credible.  Your absolute truth defense only works for you, not the billions of folks world-wide that don’t share that belief, especially those that can prove you wrong.

  62. Kevin Scheunemann


    I see, we are back to that issue.

    I  was willing to discuss it but we had to nail down what you consider “facts” and “science” and what you consider “faith”.

    We can establish that by you telling me, “Where did all the pre-big bang material come from?”

    Should be easy for a guy that touts “science” and “fact”.

    Your answer to that question will determine how much faith you put into the so called facts.

    I ask again, “do you want to play or not?”

    I just want to play on a level field, not on skewed field of the godless that you design that is flawed.

  63. Le Roi du Nord

    OK, you won’t answer that one, so how about this, “why are your beliefs the absolute truth” ?

  64. jonnyv

    OH. Kevin believes that the world is only 6K years old? This is fascinating.

    Do you not believe in dinosaurs then? Or do you have some believe that the earth was wiped of life previous to humans and that is when the Bible starts?

    I am seriously interested in your thoughts and beliefs.

  65. Jason

    >  Otherwise he would have free reign over the readers of this blog spouting all his propaganda.

    Sorry, I don’t believe you.  Your actions in the past 6 months speak louder than your altruistic words of today.  Your actions instead are indicative of an internet troll.


  66. billphoto

    Apology to Jeff Foxworthy for the knockoff but You Might Be a Liberal If You…

    Cannot accept another person religious beliefs.

    You might be an Internet Troll if you …

    try to sow discord by starting arguments with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response.

    Why do atheist fight so strongly against something they believe does not exist?

  67. billphoto

    Poached this from Townhall.  Too funny not to share.
    Are you not sure that you’re a liberal? Well, there’s an easy way to find out. You might be a liberal if…

    1) ….Your newspaper calls people “bigoted” for being worried about bringing Syrian refugees to America, but you won’t run pictures of Muhammad because you’re afraid Muslims might kill you for it.

    2) ….You think every man accused of sexual assault is guilty until proven innocent except Bill Clinton.

    3)….You insist that anyone who questions global warming hates science even though you don’t understand any of the science behind it yourself and you say we have to do something about climate change primarily because you want to impress your liberal friends.

    4) ….You are terrified that holding terrorists at Guantanamo Bay who are trying to murder Americans might make the other terrorists who are trying to murder Americans mad.

    5) ….You believe there’s a “Republican War on Women;” yet you are okay with aborting baby girls for any reason, think any man who says he identifies as a woman should be able to use the women’s bathroom and you want to put Bill Clinton back in the White House.

    6) ….You claim to constantly hear Republican “dog whistles” that 99% of the population misses; yet you’d deny you’re racist for insisting that black Americans aren’t competent enough to get an ID to vote.

    7) …You think there’s a possibility that Obama might be able to have a productive conversation with radical Islamists who want to kill us, but dialogue with the NRA is impossible.

    8)….You believe Hillary Clinton is telling the truth. About anything. Ever.

    9) ….You simultaneously believe the police are violent trigger-happy racists who shoot people for no good reason and that we should disarm the populace so that only the government has guns.

    10) ….You went to a talk given on your campus by a conservative just so you could scream at him for “invading your safe space.”

    11) ….You think Chris Kyle was a monster for killing so many enemies of America while Bowe Bergdahl deserves to be treated with respect and compassion after deserting his unit.

    12) ….You believe you’re a caring and compassionate person because you advocate giving other people’s money away to people you hope will vote for candidates you like.

    13) ….You believe that anyone who dislikes Barack Obama must hate him because he’s a minority, but your hatred of Ted Cruz and Clarence Thomas is perfectly justifiable.

    14) ….You think you are a sophisticated person with a deep understanding of complex political issues, but sum up every one with some variation of, “Republicans are evil, racist, and they hate you while liberals like me are nice!”

    15) ….You think it’s vitally important to increase the number of Muslim immigrants coming to America so they can inform on all the other Muslims who are planning terrorist attacks.

    16) ….You blame the Republicans for the failure of Obamacare even though none of them voted for it.

    17) ….Your first response to a terrorist attack committed by radical Islamists who’ve sworn allegiance to ISIS is to try to disarm every law-abiding gun owner in the country.

    18) ….You think an unemployed, white factory worker who’s struggling to feed his family has some sort of racial privilege compared to Barack Obama, Melissa Harris Perry or Al Sharpton.

    19) ….You say fences don’t work and gun-free zones do, but if Republicans wanted the fence around the White House taken down and demanded that the Secret Service be disarmed, you’d accuse them of trying to get Obama killed.

    20) ….You believe Bruce Jenner is a woman, Rachel Dolezal is black and Elizabeth Warren is an Indian.


  68. Le Roi du Nord


    I have no problem with anyone’s religious beliefs, until they try to pass them off as fact, claim that theirs is the one and only absolute truth, and try to push those beliefs off on me and mine.  Big difference.  I just noticed on Google Earth that there is a Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster in Shawano County.  I’ll have to see when they hold services……

    I don’t believe in any of the Townhall comparisons, but kevin says I am a socialist liberal anyway.  So much for that test.  I love #14.  Flip that around, “liberals are evil, racist, and they hate you while conservatives like me are nice”, and you have all the talking points you need to know per kevin.

  69. Kevin Scheunemann


    I don’t establish absolute truth.  God does.

    Jesus summed it up is John 14:6:  “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me”.

    Jesus walking the earth, performing miracles, his death, and resurrection are established historical fact.  Those things cannot be denied in terms of those events.   They are more concrete and factual, and have more witnesses than anything having to do with so called “science” and so clled “facts” where the pre-big bang material came from.

    For a treatise on what I believe from Creation to the cross, to Ascension, to Pentecost, start at following link and click on subject to the right:

    This also has the answer to the Creation question and age of the earth.

    If you ask nice, and are agreeable to answering my questions on level playing field, (can’t have you claim Big Bang is “fact”, when it is really “faith”, and arrogantly claim it is “fact”) I will defend the faith to anyone on any subject.

  70. jonnyv

    Kevin, the resurrection & miracles are not a facts. They are faith. There is no hard VERIFIABLE evidence that these things happened. At best we have stories passed down and x-hand accounts. Don’t take this as an attack on your faith, just saying that we have no way of proving what your faith believes in other than you pointing to a book and saying, “SEE, it is written in there.”

    I think that any written account isn’t 100% reliable, and the further you go back the less reliable it is.

  71. Kevin Scheunemann


    We can say the same thing about the Big Bang….which has no firsthand witness account and a lot of guessing.   There are no HARD VERIFIABLE facts these things happened either.    No one can answer the simple question, which still confounds scientists, “where did all the material come from prior to Big Bang?”

    There are only 2 possibilities in the arrogant “science” based theory:

    1.) Divinity

    2.) Nothing…which means one believes everything came from nothing, which requires even more faith than Christianity.

    Christianity at least has witnesses.

    That is far more reliable than anything under the “Big Bang theory.”


  72. Jason

    >and try to push those beliefs off on me and mine. Big difference.

    And here’s where your previous pragmatic statements fall into the shit pile.. He’s not pushing anything on you. You choose to read them or not. The fact that they entice you enough to respond makes your entire thesis today complete bullshit. Want to try again?

  73. Le Roi du Nord


    Nope, I’ll stand pat.

  74. Kevin Scheunemann


    Thought you were a moral relativist…how can you “stand pat” on anything?

    Wouldn’t that be offensive or lack inclusiveness?

  75. Jason

    >Nope, I’ll stand pat.

    Good call Al.

  76. Paul

    That’s the second-smartest thing white nationalist troll Le Roi du Bore could  have done.

    The first would have been to fire up the oven and pull a Sylvia Plath.

  77. Le Roi du Nord

    petite paul:

    If you knew anything about Sylvia Plath you would have known that the oven wasn’t “fired up”.  Poor attempt at looking smart.  Want to try again??

  78. Paul

    Chris Benoit yourself.

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