Shocking, I know. The liberal leaders in this country hold some responsibility for condoning and encouraging the kind of escalating hate rhetoric against Trump and Republicans that creates an environment where some folks resort to violence. It is a small step from riots and violent protests to assassination.
(CNN)James T. Hodgkinson, the man identified as shooting a Republican member of congress and four others on Wednesday morning, was a small business owner in Illinois who defined himself publicly by his firm support of Bernie Sanders’ progressive politics — and his hatred of conservatives and President Donald Trump.
This is based on CNN’s review of Hodgkinson’s Facebook profiles, public records, and three years of impassioned letters to his local newspaper.“Trump is a Traitor. Trump Has Destroyed Our Democracy. It’s Time to Destroy Trump & Co.” he posted on his personal Facebook page on March 22.“Republicans are the Taliban of the USA,” he posted in February.
I know this may trigger some but I think Mr. Limbaugh did a much better job than I ever could articulating what we are seeing. “I have been worried for quite a while about the cumulative effect or impact of this constant anti-Trump hysteria everywhere in mainstream media: New York Times, Washington Post, LA Times, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC. It’s hysteria. It’s lies.
It’s things that are completely manufactured about Trump personally, about Trump and Russia, about climate change, about any number of things. As you know, I have been seriously, folks — seriously in a humanitarian sense, not political. I have been very concerned about what all of this is doing to the average, base Democrat voter. I have sensed them getting more and more fringe and imbalanced, and the evidence for it is everywhere in the things that they tweet. They openly promote violence, and advocate some of the most despicable things happening to their political enemies.”
Really? And did anyone on the right take any credit for the Gifford shooting at the time? Because I seem to recall there being a lot of Republicans that were very harsh on Obama, making outrageous claims that he was trying to take your guns, that he wasn’t a citizen, etc. Or the recent Pizzagate incident that could have been a lot worse. That was perpetuated by social media and Alex Jones, who is apparently a valid source of media for the right with his temporary WH credentials. Nothing like validating a nutjob. I didn’t hear you stepping up to blame ANYONE on the right for those.
Heaven forbid anyone ever decides to do this in a news studio, will you say the same thing about Trumps and republicans total disregard for news outlets and attempting to delegitimize them?
How about we just take a step back and say the same thing. These people are crazy, they have a lack of a grasp on reality. These incidents are not any sides particular fault. If it wasn’t this, it was probably going to be something else that set them off.
All I want to see is same disgusting liberal media treatment of Bernie Sanders who had 10 times more comnnection to this shooter than Palin had to Giffords shooter!
Palin had no connection and media raped her because she used word “target” on campaign ideas. I want to see that same disgusting liberal media treatment of Sanders, times 10, whose campaign actually worked up and stoked the hate in this guy.
Kevin… Sanders is not at fault. Just like Palin wasn’t. This guy has been protesting since 2012 apparently as part of the 99%. He had a history of violence and domestic abuse. He has had multiple run-ins with the law including firing his gun into a tree. The link has a nice summary of his run-ins with the law and how unhinged he has been for years.
How about we talk about whether he should have been allowed to have a gun in the first place? Do you want to go there? Violent & a history of domestic abuse. Maybe he should have had some sort of psych eval to determine his legal rights to carry. NO, heaven forbid we have that conversation. “We don’t want no elitist doctor to decide MY gun rights!” Gun or not, he was unhinged and was going to do something extreme.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/law-enforcement-officials-identify-shooter-at-congressional-ballgame-as-illinois-man/2017/06/14/ba6439f4-510f-11e7-91eb-9611861a988f_story.html?utm_term=.f4db07602153
Agree neither Sanders or Palin at fault.
This could be liberal media opportunity to apologize to Palin for what they have done!
JV, I realize that facts are not relevant to you–but the Giffords shoot was done by a certified wacko with ZERO discernible political inclinations. ZERO. And your little bubble about Alex Jones? No actual Conservative ever listens to him. Again, we deal with certified wack-jobs. (White House creds? Dan Rather had those too. And–FYI–Trump is not a Conservative.)
In the end, the shooter is responsible for the shooting. We know that he targeted Republicans through his writings. Thank God he’s a really, really, lousy marksman.
“Thank God he’s a really, really, lousy marksman.”
As well as the fact there were people with concealed guns present to stop him before he could hone his aim.
While freedom of speech is our right, one cannot yell fire in a crowed theater, so there are limits. This political correctness mentality has allowed these limits to be moved too far outside the boundaries of normal behavior.
The desire of the left is obvious. Huffington Post writer Jesse Benn just tweeted “For violent resistance to work it’d need to be organized. Individual acts can be understandable, but likely counterproductive/ineffective.” The HuffPo also pulled a piece by contributor Jason Fuller published Saturday calling for the “execution” of President Donald Trump.
Now is the time to re-evaluate our mental health protocols and how the Secret Service deals with threats to our President. Certainly people like this nut job need inpatient care but those that call for violence against those they disagree with and incite this type of behavior should receive some scrutiny. Hatred because someone thinks different than you to the point of wanting them killed is not normal.
Bill, like a lot of other folks, you want to conclude that because he shot people, he’s “nuts” and in need of “inpatient care.”
That’s the first step onto the very slippery slope to ‘psychiatric test for gun ownership’ road, and it is a category error.
Proof?? OK. Contrast your thoughts on this killer with your thoughts on a gangbanger who killed someone because ‘they dissed me.’ I’m willing to bet that you’ve never thought of that gang-banger as a ‘nut;’ you just thought of him as a stone cold killer.
In fact, the BernieBro IS a stone cold killer. His inpatient care should be rendered at Leavenworth. And–by the way–no shrink would have ever ‘caught’ this guy because he’s not “nuts.”
“I’d like to punch him in the face”, “I’ll beat the crap out of you”, “part of the problem…is nobody wants to hurt anyone anymore”. The violent rhetoric that spewed from the Trump campaign is unmatched in history and was acted on by many of his supporters. Republican Congressman Mark Sanford, today (6/15/17), placed (some) responsibility on Trump for his role in promoting violence during the campaign.
Attacker posted anti-Trump and anti-Gop rants online. Hmm, sounds familiar only in the other direction…
“Anti-humanity liberal cult”, “Anti-humanity leftists”, “crazy disciple”, “zealots”, “leftist evil”, hundred of millions of people liberal philosophy has killed last century”, the comparison to Nazis and all in just the last week. I wish I had the time and patience to quote all the ridiculous inciting statements made by Mr. Scheunemamn but my time is more valuable. I do remember Mr. Scheunemann defending hate speech when it was being done by anti-muslim protestors in Texas that lead to a shooting. Double standard Scheunemann sticks again.
Sorry if I was in-succinct in my thought. Mental illness has nothing to do with our 2nd Amendment. If it was not a firearm, it would have been a knife or a car. My point was simply that our politically correct/ not to offend culture has allowed free speech to expand to the point of “Kill the Republicans” on Facebook is the new normal. With the Main Stream Media literally making up news and working overtime to portray anyone with a conservative viewpoint as the enemy, no one should think the resulting violence is not unexpected.
Granted, maybe this shooter would not have been caught in a mental illness safety net but his is just one example of the irrational hatred of the enemy. It would seem many can only spew hatred about the election of President Trump, Governor Walker or people in general that think different than do. Wanting to kill is not normal.
Nholland,
Give me one ACCURATE quote of the “inciting statements” you have an issue with.
We’ve done this exercise before and you have come up with nothing.
You still have not apologized for the last time you made this kind of comment and failed to come up with one accurate quote.
It would be interesting, by comparison, to list the top 10 really nasty things you have said about me personally, as a comparison of the concept of “incitement” you talk about (vs. anything I have said).
Do you want to play? I’m game.
Nholland,
I’ll start.
“Wow… This guy looks just like a young Mr. Scheunemann. Any relation?”.
Referring to the battered mug shot of thie kid beaten up who destroyed the Viking lawn inflatable….posted a few days ago.
You have an example of mine that is worse than that?
I’ll listen.
You have to admit the guy does look like a young Mr. Scheunemann. Inciteful… Not!
See the difference between you and me is i point out the obvious. You make crap up to beat down a portion of Americans. Americans… You know, your neighbors, employees, members of your church(me) and most likely members of your own extended family.
If you think comparing liberals to Nazis isn’t inciteful hate speech then really are a lost sole. As I mentioned a week ago I find it hard to believe you are a disciple of Christ with the things you say.
And no im not going to spend my day digging up all the BS you have said over the last 10 years nor do indeed to. Your record needs no review.
Nholland,
Can’t come up with anything worse than the 1 example I dug out for you?
One quote…accurately?
The problem you have is: any civility criticism you point out with any accurate quote of me, really pales in comparison, and looks like plain vanilla, to some of the things you have said.
thanks for playing.
I enjoyed it.
Lets not forget you recently called for the destruction of liberalism and that we should be fighting for that with every fiber of our being. Sounds very similar to some of the crap Hodgkinson said.
NHolland,
Accurate quote problem again. I called for “opposition” to liberalism, not destruction.
I did day liberalism causes destruction.
Try and get quotes accurate.
I quoted you accurately.
Many thanks in advance.
Mr. Scheunemann,
My personal opinion of you, blowhard fool, Is completely different then labeling a whole group as Nazis or calling for their destruction.
Please play again. You have never won a debate with me yet and you never will. Want proof of that too?… Look it up in between stuffing your face with dilly bars.
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“If you have any humanity in you, you rail against the destruction of liberalism in practice with every fiber of your being.”
Enough said!…
“Try and get quotes accurate”.
I was going to stay out of this one as NHolland is doing a fine job, but this piece of low-hanging fruit was just too ripe. k, you are the last guy on earth to lecture anyone on accurate quotes. Sooooo many hypocrites, so little time.
Nholland,
Nice to see you got the quote correct. I thank tyou for that.
You will note I called out, and opposed, the destruction caused by liberalism. I did not call for the destruction OF liberalism.
There is a big difference.
Asking one to oppose a destructive ideology, from the point of history, is worse than what you did with the mug shot?
I am going to have to note that in my political correctness/liberal censorship manual.
That is an interesting position. Personal insults…OK. General policy position debating, not OK.
Got it.
From the From WSJ Peggy Nonan June 15 – “violence on TV and in the movies. Grim and graphic images, repeated depictions of murder and beatings, are bad for our kids and our culture, … Depictions of violence unknowingly encourage it.
… our country is increasingly populated by the not fully stable. They aren’t excited by wit, they’re excited by violence—especially unstable young men. They don’t have the built-in barriers and prohibitions that those more firmly planted in the world do. That’s what makes violent images dangerous and destructive. Art is art and censorship is an admission of defeat. Good judgment and a sense of responsibility are the answer.” (My emphasis.)
Mr. Scheunemann,
You have an excuse for everything. Last week I gave you the chance to revise a statement you made and you refused. I even told you I would point out the obvious and I did. Six months ago you tried to tell me KMLHS didn’t have an admissions dept. And didn’t occasionally refuse admission. You were wrong as then as you are wrong now. The rhetoric that you spew is insulting and yes it is inciteful or should I say inflammatory. If it wasn’t nobody would pay you any attention at all. You really are a disgusting example of intolerance. On a daily basis you you make it a point to insult 50% of the American population. As I said before these are your neighbors, your employees, fellow parishioners and family members. It sad… really, really sad. And not Christian are all.
Also Mr. Scheunemann,
In the future don’t accuse me of inaccurate quotes. Unless I actually put a statement inbetween quotation marks ” ” is not actually a quote. I would have assumed a man of such selfproclaimed genius would have known better. Get a grip.
Yeah, Kevin. Don’t misquote the emo anti-Semite.
NHolland,
I’ve offered many times to point to the quote at issue, ACCURATELY, and I would be willing to discuss it.
You either can’t find the quote, can’t quote it accurately, or when you do quote it accurate, accuse me of saying something I did not say….like the destruction issue in relation to liberals above….you completely swung and missed on that one. I’m sorry if that made you look really bad, it was not my intent.
Now can we get down to the (accurate) quote of mine that grinds you the wrong way? Just one is all I ask.
Now remember, the quote has to be worse than that mug shot thing I accurately pointed out on you. I expect whateveer quote of mine, at issue, has to be more outrageous than what you do.
When you paraphrase a quote of mine to say something it did not, that is by definition inaccurate.
On the subject of quotes, here’s one from Dostoevsky that really captures the essence of our pal Kevin. Apologies in advance for the length.
“As soon as a man takes some thought or other at its word or reads a little page of something without beginning or end, he believes at once that these are “his own thoughts” and were conceived in his own brain. The impudence of naivety, if one may put it so, goes so far in such cases as to be astonishing; all this is incredible, but one meets with it constantly. This impudence of naivety, this stupid man’s unquestioningness of himself and his talent, is excellently portrayed by Gogol in the astonishing type of Lieutenant Pirgov. Pirgov never even doubts that he is a genius, even higher than any genius; he is so far from doubting it that he never even asks himself about it; anyhow questions do not exist for him. The great writer was finally forced to give him a whipping, for the satisfaction of his reader’s offended moral sense, but, seeing that the great man merely shook himself and, to fortify himself after his ordeal, ate a puff pastry, he spread his arms in amazement and thus left his readers.”
Arrogance is being full of yourself, feeling you’re always right and believing your accomplishments or abilities make you better than other people. People often believe arrogance is excessive confidence but its really a lack of confidence. Arrogant people are insecure and often repel others.
Major:
Thanks for finding and posting that great quote. It sure hit the nail on the head. Keep up the good work !
You guys …all that commentary over me. I didn’t know my following was so large.
I understand you may not like what I have to say sometimes, but to get back to point, what quote from me do you have a problem with?
Let’s discuss it.