Staggering figures have revealed that over 1.2million US-born workers lost their jobs last month while the foreign-born workforce increased by 668,000 – as migrants continue to flood across the border under Biden’s administration.
Data from US Bureau of Labor Statistics show that between July and August, there was a staggering decrease of 1.223million native-born people in the workforce – which is a low that has not been seen since April 2020.
Figures, buried in the data published on September 1, laid bare how many US citizens are losing their livelihoods and emphasized the effects Trump and Biden’s respective border policies have had on the US job market.
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What the figures suggest is there has been nearly a net-zero increase in native-born jobs created since the Covid economic crash. The job market is only just about reaching the highs seen in October 2019, where employment was 131.72million.
Trends also seem to show that under Donald Trump, there were less foreign-born people working in the US month-on-month, the Bureau’s data shows.
Comparing figures from the first three years of each of their tenures, the Republican president’s foreign-born workforce expanded by 752,000 between August 2017 to 2019.
By contrast, Democrat Biden’s figure from August 2021 to 2023 was 3.943million.
During Trump’s presidency, between July and August of 2017, foreign-born employment rose by just 82,000.
The 668,000 foreign workforce figure in 2023 is a staggering eight times more – set on the backdrop of the Biden administration’s control of the movement across the US-Mexico border since the end of pandemic-era Title 42 in May.
Between July and August of 2018, foreign-born employment increased by 168,000, and 2019’s corresponding figure was 132,000.
They’re not just “farm workers.” They’re IT professionals, too.
IT, healthcare, childcare, construction,… all over.
In the IT world, their MO is very simple: get into a management slot and hire only other foreigners. By the way, “competence” in code-writing is not a qualifier. The productivity problem is serious.
The IT & Healthcare workers are probably on a valid VISA of some sort. The childcare and construction are not necessarily. There is still a severe need of workers and US born citizens are not taking the jobs that the illegal border crossers are taking. Americans have become too spoiled to take many of the blue-collar jobs that are out there (and many of the white collar ones). And once again we are back to the idea of who do you “punish” for hiring workers without valid credentials, and how much?
We still see so many people who take jobs and then never show up day 1. Or who agree to interviews and then ghost. My wife was looking for a full time employee at a non-profit. Starting position around 40K. Almost ZERO applicants. She finally hired someone who worked 3 days and then never showed up again, didn’t even finish filling out all her paperwork to get paid. They are finally hiring a retired military man whose son uses the services of the non profit she works for. He doesn’t even need the money, just wants to be useful because he retired in his early 50s.
IMO, if natural born citizens won’t do the job, hire (legally) who will. The more VISAs the better.
Wait….wait!!! You mean there were NO FOREIGNERS who would take the non-profit job Americans won’t take?
Hmmmm.
According to Forbes, the average 2023 salary for HS grads is $36,600, and for ‘some college’ is $39,900. Perhaps the job was not attractive?
Importing ‘valid visa’ people who take IT jobs from US 4-year-degree IT majors is not a ‘solution.’ You and I both know they’re working as virtual slaves due to their sponsorship requirement, and–by the way–are paying zero taxes to boot. I’m not sure I see a benefit there.
So Dad29, you believe in a free market, as long as you can close off the market to some people? If the company can get by with the overseas VISA people at a reduced rate for what they deem an acceptable work output, then that is just an open market at work. And last time I checked H1B Visa workers do pay taxes. And I don’t think I would call working at some of the largest and most prestigious tech companies “slaves”.
Sidenote: If you are going to school for a 4 year degree in almost anything IT related these days, you are probably wasting your money. Between certs and online classes, most college classes are probably useless except to make networking connections at some of the big named colleges.
And for the position my wife was hiring for, I don’t believe it was appealing to work for a non-profit as a volunteer coordinator at that pay rate. They would probably have gotten a bigger response if the salary was higher, but it IS a non-profit and they can’t afford it. So… you get what you get.
Who said I believe in a “free market”? Driving down the price of labor–and the health and welfare of one’s neighbors–is not American, nor is it human. Pat Buchanan and Don Trump get it–along with Peter Navarro and the 78 million Americans who made Don Trump President for a second term. (we should add that the dozens of people who did NOT respond to your wife’s ad……….well…….they don’t like your definition of “free market” either.)
Meantime, I note that you did not answer the real question–which is ‘how come no foreigners would take the job Americans would not do? ‘ After all, you’re the one spreading that line. Certainly you have an answer!
Yah, I was wrong about taxes.
Dad29, I don’t know why anyone wasn’t interested in the position that my wife’s company offered up. Could have been prerequisites that were listed vs the salary? I only really heard about it 2nd hand and wasn’t involved in it. But I am not sure what you mean, because if the position would have gone unfilled, it is a perfect example of free market. It means that the compensation is not enough for the requirements of the job. Same reasons why we saw a huge exodus in many markets after Covid, people didn’t see the value in low paying / high stress positions.
And for decades we have seen foreign workers take jobs that Americans have not wanted. Landscaping, cleaning, child care, agriculture, etc. Usually low wage labor jobs.
>I only really heard about it 2nd hand and wasn’t involved in it.
You sure backed away from that quickly. On the 5th you presented your facts like a well greased lawyer in a courtroom… today it’s “well, it was 2nd hand and I just heard it from my brother’ uncle’s transgender transformation plastic surgeon”. Weak.
>And for decades we have seen foreign workers take jobs that Americans have not wanted. Landscaping, cleaning, child care, agriculture, etc. Usually low wage labor jobs.
I thought this was accepted by all walks of life as total bunk. I guess not, hahaha, fool.
Jason. I did NOT back away from my statement. My wife was the ONLY full time employee in her company. So she was in control of the employment ad. She generally told me what she put on the ad for salary and general requirements, I was not directly involved with it. Why people didn’t jump on it? Who knows. Maybe it was the mix of requirements vs salary.
How do you figure that is “bunk”? Is it bunk that natural born citizens won’t take those jobs, or that the statistics are wrong. Cause here ya go buddy.
https://www.newamericaneconomy.org/sites/all/themes/pnae/img/Immigrant_Workers_Brookings.pdf
Because at the wages they are offered, Americans are not taking many of those jobs. And many times, they are not even FT employees, so they don’t even make the state figured average wages. Based on many of the statistics, you can guess that a percentage of those farmhands are not here legally and probably are making between $10 & $20 an hour.
I would be happy for you to show me some valid statistics backing whatever vague point you clearly didn’t make. Get out your class chromebook and do a little research and show it to all the adults.
Seriously, JonnyV? Seriously? It’s bad enough that you cite Brookings, a property of organized labor in the US.
But look at the first graf (excerpt here): “…..this short analysis provides data on immigrants in the labor force at the
current time of slowed immigration, high unemployment, and low job growth…”
That was based on the 2010 census. \
You can do better, right?
No reason not to believe that the percent of workers in the industries shown are not relatively accurate. It shows the industries that have the most immigrants by percentage. I never even thought of private home workers where they make up the highest percentage.
Actually, there is.
A new report from Fitch Ratings details that higher levels of migration into the U.S. in 2022 and 2023 has increased the labor supply, driven up labor force participation, eased labor shortages that were pushing wages higher, and allowed companies like Walmart to keep growing payrolls.
“Labor supply has increased, largely on the supply and participation of immigrants, and an uptick in the participation of prime aged workers between ages 25-54,” said Olu Sonola, Head of U.S. Regional Economics….
…Fitch points out that year-over-year wage growth of all private industry employees is declining. Last year, wages rose around six percent, and now they are rising at a five percent annual rate, according to Fitch. Wage growth in the leisure and hospitality space—a prime employer for foreign workers—has declined significantly, Fitch writes.
Wally World actually CUTTING wages for new employees stocking shelves or picking in the warehouse.
And by the way, is there “no reason” to think that 2023 is different from 2010?
>And by the way, is there “no reason” to think that 2023 is different from 2010?
He’ll have to ask his wife. Please hold.
Jason, I don’t know how your Mommy and Daddy interact, but in my marriage we are equal and I wouldn’t have an issue asking her opinion or thoughts on something like that. Go back to pulling little girls hair on the playground just looking for attention.
Dad29, what are you even talking about anymore? The discussion and the link I shared showed a percentage of immigrants that occupy different industries. Here is a more recent link I found that has similar information. You are the only one that brought up wages. Wages are a completely different subject.
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/immigrants-in-the-united-states
But, as usually for these threads, they have drifted off the original post that Owen made. Lets move on to another thread and discussion.
….It means that the compensation is not enough for the requirements of the job. Same reasons why we saw a huge exodus in many markets after Covid, people didn’t see the value in low paying / high stress positions.
And for decades we have seen foreign workers take jobs that Americans have not wanted. Landscaping, cleaning, child care, agriculture, etc. Usually low wage labor jobs…..
Of COURSE you didn’t mention “wages.”
Sorry, pal, but your gaslight doesn’t work here.
>Jason, I don’t know how your Mommy and Daddy interact, but in my marriage we are equal and I wouldn’t have an issue asking her opinion or thoughts on something like that. Go back to pulling little girls hair on the playground just looking for attention.
Now you’re gaslighting me. I did not make a sexist comment or impinge in your wife’s intelligence in any way. Ah to be so unburdened by such ignorance.
Oh… and besides Dad exposing your lies so far…. the link you supplied does nothing to support your debunked claim of “only illegals are willing to do these jobs”. For posterity sake…
>And for decades we have seen foreign workers take jobs that Americans have not wanted
I know in the city where I live we have a lot of workers from the Philippines working here on visas.
They primarily work as teachers or in the healthcare industry, mostly nurses.
There is no doubt that legal immigrants and visa holders are needed in some areas of the country.
However, illegals, not so much