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0826, 23 Oct 20

Final Debate

I bit the bullet and watched the entire debate in full. It was remarkably different from the last one. Biden came off as an empty suit – and angry empty suit, but empty nonetheless. I think the difference on COVID response is stark. My experience with being out in public (I’ve been in 6 or 7 states and multiple cities over the last couple of months) is that people are generally tuning out the politicians and going about their lives. They are wearing masks when seemingly appropriate, keeping distance, washing hands, etc., but getting back to work and life. Specifically in Wisconsin, I’ve been out to 4 or 5 restaurants since the 25% order was implemented and 0% are complying… and nobody cares. Trump has his finger on the public pulse. People don’t want to shut down again and if the politicians try, the people will shrug it off.

In individual closing argument to voters, they offered starkly different visions for the nation on everything from shutting down the country to tackle coronavirus, to shutting down the fossil fuel industry to confront climate change.

Nowhere was the distinction between the two candidates more apparent than in their approach to the pandemic.

Asked about his support for more lockdowns if the scientists recommended it, Mr Biden, a Democrat, did not rule it out.

But Mr Trump, a Republican, said it was wrong to inflict further damage on the economy because of an infection from which most people recover.

“This is a massive country with a massive economy,” said the president. “People are losing their jobs, they’re committing suicide. There’s depression, alcohol, drugs at a level nobody’s ever seen before.”


0826, 23 October 2020


  1. Le Roi du Nord

    And he is back at it:

    “We’re rounding the turn. We’re rounding the corner. It’s going away.”

    Fact:  The Covid cases increased ~50% from Oct. 7 to Oct. 21.

  2. Pat

    One question that I wish was asked and wasn’t. Why does Trump paint his face orange???

  3. Mar

    One question I ant to ask Pat: How can a person who occassionally can be intelligent act so stupid and hateful so often?

  4. Mark Hoefert

    Waiting for Nord to chime in about how coyotes are incapable of carrying children across the border.  The left has really lost their collective shit over Trump’s statement in that regard.

  5. Mark Hoefert–lEKTLqHeFu-vKGPs4UQfg7HEG00Q

    Did @realDonaldTrump just say 545 kids they can’t find their parents for came over through “cartels and coyotes”?! How the hell does a coyote bring a whole human across the border?! Lord—–stop talking.
    Georgia State Representative (Democrat) Dar’shun Kendrick

    “Coyotes, dawg?” former ESPN host Jemele Hill tweeted roughly 20 minutes after calling Trump a “f—ing moron.”

    Imagine calling the immigrant parents that bring their children to the United States for a better life “Coyotes” The level of xenophobia is sickening.

    David Hogg

  6. dad29

    Jiffy’s been absent for a while, so he’s probably programming PC’s to gush out 50-100K Biden votes in the City of Milwaukee.

    If he doesn’t do that, Trump will clean house in Wisconsin, just like in Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Michigan (before the fraud starts).


  7. Le Roi du Nord


    I’ll leave the trumpsplaining to you, and yours.  He says all sorts of bizarre stuff that you guys buy into, so ‘splain away.  And where were those Revolutionary War airports?  And have many folks have dies from windmill cancer?

  8. Le Roi du Nord

    Sorry, should be “died”. My apologies.

  9. Jason

    >Sorry, should be “died”. My apologies.

    Lighten up Francis, you’re the only one who sweats people for grammar and spelling errors.   We’re adults and don’t care, you should try it some time.

  10. Mark Hoefert

    @ Nord: I’ll leave the trumpsplaining to you, and yours

    And I am sure most people here will make book on you ignoring every dementia infused gaffe that Biden has made, is making, and will be making with some kind of “but Trump said.”

    And you can put me down for making book on you aligning with Democratical pedophiles with “Trump the serial rapist, pu**y grabber”, etc. statements every time Clinton/Epstein comes up for discussion or when Hunter Biden’s laptop contents are revealed. The “lap top from hell” that has been in the custody of the FBI child porn unit for almost a year now.

    And here is some “splaining” too – “coyotes” is a term associated with child sex trafficking.  Ironic that the left jumps on the use of that term.



  11. Pat


    Don’t you ever wonder why Trump has his face painted orange?

  12. Kevin Scheunemann

    There all all libs, covering for Bidens babbling incoherence and his wife allowing elder abuse.

    Just what is Biden’s position on fracking? He claims to support it like a liar, but then wants to wipe out oil and gas industry.

    Yeah, he supports something by wanting to wipe it out….he is senile.

    But libs want to fall back on Orange man bad.

    Why don’t we fall back on: its sick to elect a senile socialist Biden to somethibg so important.

  13. Pat

    So Biden would like to move forward with new technologies and there are individuals that are opposed to such ideas.

    John Cornyn asks, “ And how do they propose to “transition” 270 million cars with internal combustion engines? What will that cost?“

    I like Jim Wrights reply;

    And how do they propose to “transition” 270 million saddles and buggies? What will that cost?
    — Horse owners, 1908, probably.

    What will it cost?

    Weird how these guys never ask that about war.

    Weird how they never say, hey, you know, if we ban abortion and there are a lot more babies, what will THAT cost?

    Saving the planet though, gonna need to see the spreadsheets.

    Funny how they never ask what NOT doing anything will cost our kids.

  14. Le Roi du Nord


    I’m sure folks will appreciate the comparison between a few “gaffes” and trumps 20000+ lies, and downplaying the 220000+ covid deaths.  So make all the book you want, and thanks for pointing out the gullibility of the far right.

  15. Le Roi du Nord


    Looks like you didn’t read your own post, as it says, “the term “coyote” used to call individuals involved with illegal smuggling”.  Nothing about child sex trafficking.  Keep ‘splaining, you are hilarious.

  16. Kevin Scheunemann

    “Few gaffes”

    That might be the greatest lie of Western Civilization, ever….


    What’s next?  Water is not wet?

    Might want to get some medication for your lack of reality.


  17. Le Roi du Nord


    “but then wants to wipe out oil and gas industry.”  Could you provide the quote?

    And maybe check with the big power companies, like WEC here in WI, they are closing coal fired generating plants all over their territory.   But then reality means nothing to you, does it?

  18. Le Roi du Nord

    No k, water is wet.  Even you should know that.

  19. Mar

    No Pat, I don’t. Never noticed, don’t care and don’t body shame.

  20. Kevin Scheunemann

    If restaurants are complying with 25 % they will be bankrupt in a short time.

    Liberals enjoy bankrupting hardworking people evidently.

  21. Pat

    Not me, Kevin. I want to see your establishments packed to the rafters 24/7.

  22. Le Roi du Nord

    I must not be a liberal, as I don’t want folks to go into bankruptcy, either.

  23. Kevin Scheunemann


    Do you denounce Evers 25% capacity rule?


  24. Mar

    Actually, the sociopath does want people to go into bankruptcy as he thought the economy reopening should never have reopened.

  25. Le Roi du Nord


    No, I denounce the folks that have ignored the science, the medical professionals, and common sense to cause the spread of coronavirus.  If it takes some restrictions to get us past the current surge in cases, I support it.  Dead folks don’t spend much in retail establishments.


    Actually, you made up that claim. Where does that place you on the truthiness scale?

  26. Mar

    Sociopath, you have said that when the Democrat virus first struck and you never took that back.
    But a sociopath just being a sociopath.
    In fact you wanted travel restrictions and didn’t want people traveling to go on vacation.
    But I’m sure you don’t remember that.

  27. Le Roi du Nord

    No mar, I didn’t say that.  But you go ahead and believe whatever you want.

  28. Kevin Scheunemann


    So you do support bankruptcy for restaurant owners.

    Awful. Just awful.

  29. Le Roi du Nord

    No, not at all.  And for you to make up such an outrageous claim is awful, absolutely awful for a self-proclaimed “christian”.  Or are you a CINO ?

  30. Kevin Scheunemann


    If you support 25% rule of Evers, you support bankrupting restaurants!

    I’ll ask again, out of grace, will you denounce Evers 25% capacity limit?

  31. Mar

    And you wonder why I call you a sociopath. You are such a hateful and lying person.
    Of course, you might have dementia, sociopath.
    If that is case, just admit it and I’ll stop calling you a sociopath, Le Roi.
    So, which is it, dementia or sociopathy?

  32. Le Roi du Nord


    No, I don’t.  You are making that all up.  If you has a “grace”, or even knew what it means, you wouldn’t be so demanding of others.


    You really are on a roll, calling others names, making stuff up, and making unsubstantiated claims.  Not very respectful.

  33. Mar

    Sociopath, who else have I called a name in the last week besides you and Senile Joe.
    Name 1 person.
    Otherwise apologize you moron.
    Stop being an a hateful POS.

  34. Mar

    I also might add, show me where I called penquin, Jonny, and MHMaley a name.
    We differ but we are also respectful to each other.
    Also, when was the last time I called Kevin, Dad, Jason and Owen a name?
    I just call out haters and liars and bigots, which you are a party to all 3.

  35. Le Roi du Nord


    You did right on this thread. Own it, relish it , wallow in it, you were wrong again!

  36. Mar

    So, you got nothing, sociopath.

  37. Kevin Scheunemann


    If you do not denounce the Evers 25% capacity regulation bankrupting bars and restaurants….that means you support bankrupting them.

    How “thick” and dishonest are you?

    Why do you think recall of Evers got the signatures? Bars and restaurants are in total rebellion to being bankrupted by your liberal ilk.

  38. Le Roi du Nord


    For someone as highly educated as you to miss something so obvious is a sad commentary on your study habits. Try again.


    Mom, it doesn’t. Lying on Sunday will get you in trouble with your boss.

  39. Le Roi du Nord

    Sorry, that should be. “No, it doesn’t…,”

  40. Mar

    As usual, the sociopath has nothing. Never had anything, never will.

  41. Kevin Scheunemann


    When you fail to oppose policy bankrupting bars and restaurants, you are supportive of the bankrupting!

    I’ll ask for a 3rd, and last time, do you denounce Evers 25% capacity rule?

  42. Le Roi du Nord

    No k, that isn’t what I said.  If you could read, or took the time to learn, you would realize your error.  Once again you feel a need to make gross assumptions, and always incorrect, to prove your point.

  43. Kevin Scheunemann


    Do you support the 25% capacity restiction,then?

    Stop being a slipppery pig and just state and tellus you love the Evers restriction, or denounce it.

  44. Le Roi du Nord

    So now I am a pig, eh?  That surely will get me to agree with you.   NOT !

  45. Kevin Scheunemann


    If you would stop being dishonest, we would not have this issue

    You love bankrupting bars and restaurants with your support of 25% capacity rule.

    Awful. Just awful.

  46. Le Roi du Nord

    No k, I don’t want anyone to go bankrupt . Nor do I want anyone to get sick or perish from coronavirus contracted in a crowded bar/restaurant, or any other avoidable crowd. Perhaps you don’t care about the health and wellbeing of your fellow citizens. I do.

    Remember, dead folks, nor those in the hospital, don’t buy much.

  47. Kevin Scheunemann


    So you bankrupt bars and restaurants?

    Most of COVID deaths are old age homes, government funded…why don’t you call for 25% capacity where the problem is?

    We locked down restaurants and bars in March and April, people still died, mostly because of Democrats spreading virus in old age home.

    Bankrupting bars abd restaurants because of bad Democrats

    You are beyong awful, callous, and a fascist.

  48. Mar

    You know the sociopath is for bankrupting bars and restaurants because that’s what the liberals tells him to think and write.
    Now if President Trump or Scott Walker were doing the lockdowns and bankrupting bars and restaurants, he would all up with his stubby little arms and saying “Orange Man bad”.
    And then deny calling President Trump names the next day.

  49. Le Roi du Nord

    And mar “Never noticed, don’t care and don’t body shame.”

    So mar, talk yourself out of that one..


  50. Le Roi du Nord

    “Most of COVID deaths are old age homes, government funded”

    Not according to official data.  Were you even slightly interested by facts you could look it up.  It only takes a few seconds.

  51. Kevin Scheunemann

    No one cares what an insensitive leftist totalitarian has to say about data, when you overtly support destroying the businesses of WI.

    Awful. Just awful.

  52. penquin

    Most of COVID deaths are old age homes, government funded

    Is that actually factual? Or is it another example of your “faith-based” data?

    Please clarify…thanks.

  53. Le Roi du Nord

    Ah, he proves again that facts have no place in his “reality” !

  54. Kevin Scheunemann


    When someone is as mean spirited toward robbing the livelihood of working people as you, it is completely understandable.

    No one is halting virus, even your extreme leftist, draconian, lock down heroes.

    Why bankrupt everyone as well?

    Is that so you Marxists can take control of the desolation you leave behind?

    Awful. Just awful.

  55. Le Roi du Nord

    “mean spirited”  That is absolutely hilarious coming from a rabid trump supporter !

    If you haven’t noticed, there is now “lock down”.  At the federal level trump takes no responsibility, and admits that he has (and is) playing down the seriousness of the pandemic.  You research that all if you were so inclined, rather than make up stuff.

    Here is WI, the republican legislature and WILL have fought tooth and nail against any meaningfull plan to slow down the spread of the virus.  Geez, you guys even brag about that on the site!

    Crawl out from under your rock k, and take a look around.  Reality wants to give you a lesson.

  56. Kevin Scheunemann

    Trump is not regulating hard working people out of existence like your guy.


  57. Mar

    “Never noticed, don’t care and don’t body shame.
    So mar, talk yourself out of that one.”
    What’s to talk out of?
    Pat posted some crap.
    And she body shamed President Trump.
    I think the cold froze your brain, what’s left of it.

  58. Pat


    Body shaming Trump would be talking about how fat he is. I’m talking about why would a grown man make the decision to paint his face orange?

  59. Mar

    What difference does it make? Maybe it is a natural condition. But it is still body shaming.
    Just like if I made fun of your blue wig and breast implants.

  60. Pat

    I want you to make fun of my blue wig and breast implants.

  61. Pat

    PLEEEAZE make fun of my blue wig and breast implants!

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