Boots & Sabers

The blogging will continue until morale improves...


Everything but tech support.

1144, 27 Apr 20

Evers Responds to Wanggaard

Wow. Here’s Van Wanggaard’s response to Evers’ response. Bold is mine.

MADISON – On Friday afternoon, Governor Tony Evers responded to a letter to Senator Van Wanggaard (R-Racine) and other State Senate Republicans seeking information into the
decision-making process behind the Stay-at-Home extension. In his response to Republicans, Evers twice hints at extending Safer-At-Home through the summer. Evers answer also states that 35% of all Wisconsin employers may close forcing over 725,000 people to permanently lose their jobs.

After reviewing the response over the weekend, Wanggaard issued the following statement:

“I appreciate the Governor sharing his insights into his decision-making process. It is clear that he has put at least some thought into his decision-making. But Evers response, as far as it goes, shows the frightening results of his decisions.

“It appears that Evers’ is actively thinking about extending Safer at Home into and possibly through the summer at the cost of almost three-quarters of a million people losing their jobs.
Given his admission that the length of “Safer-at-Home” has no impact on lessening a substantial peak overwhelming hospitals, substantially extending the “Safer-at-Home” order makes little sense.

I thought he was exaggerating, but here’s Evers’ full response. Let it sink in… Evers considers 35% of Wisconsin going out of business, 725,000 permanent job losses, and a sustained economic depression to be an acceptable consequence of his orders. He also has no problem with extending this indefinitely. He. Doesn’t. Care.


1144, 27 April 2020


  1. Kevin Scheunemann

    Wow. Just wow.

    This is full blown liberal authoritarian crazyness.

  2. jjf

    Kevin, how does this differ from any Federal plan, or the plan of any Republican governor?

    Is the WisGOP working to bring the legislature together to remedy the situation?

    I think I saw something in the paper this weekend where Fitz said he wanted to reconvene some time before the end of the year.  Yeah, he’s jumping right on this.

  3. Mar

    This is what happens when you have book smart trying to run real life emergencies.
    President Obama wasn’t very good at.
    Evers is certainly not good at it.
    Evers has never been in the private sector. He has no clue what goes on in the private sector or how it works.

  4. Kevin Scheunemann


    We’ve migrated from “flatten the curve” to prevent intial wave of overwhelm of health care to now trying to prevent any new cases.

    Without a vaccine or cure, the latter is an indefinite authoritarian fools game leading to poverty, starvation, economic destruction, and destabilization of country which will cost many more lives.

    That is what you want, don’t you?   Destroying prosperity is what socialists ultimately want…shared misery.  You will be willing to destroy the country to get Trump?

    Awful. Just awful.

  5. jonnyv

    This is simple. The Republicans don’t have the spine to do anything about it. They TALK a big game, but until I see them actually make any sort of movement to make me believe they would take ANY responsibility on this subject… I am writing them off as spineless.

    They would rather yell and scream about how bad it is, than actually put THEIR name on paper. You may vehemently disagree with how Evers is going about this, but at least he is taking the lead on it.

    I truly hope we don’t go into the summer on this. I would rather see a slow opening in certain areas. But, it is going to be interesting when our people up north start seeing a lot of visitors and tourists.

  6. jjf

    Kevin, Evers’ plan says lift when the cases show a downward trend.  The WisGOP plan I linked to just before Evers released his plan, it said the same thing, but the WisGOP plan wanted seven days of reduction and Evers wants fourteen.  How does that turn into “no new cases” in your mind?

    What destruction and negative effects do you desire instead of what we have now?

  7. Mar

    Crime is up 12% in Milwaukee. Murder is up 73%, not including the 5 that were killed this morning. Now, it’s up over 100% compared to last year.
    You cannot say this just one of those years.
    I believe you can blame most of the increase in crimes because of the lockdown and this happening throughout the country.

  8. jjf

    What would you like to blame it on, Mar?  How does the lockdown make people kill each other more than last year?  Can you think of anything that happened in Milwaukee in 2020 before the lockdown?

  9. Mar

    jjf, some kids were killed today, kids who should have been in school.
    The lockdown is responsible for those deaths.
    Then jjf, you explain why crime is up in Milwaukee.
    It cannot be that kids are out of school, people are out of work, more people under stress because of the lickdown.
    If it’s not the lockdown, then what is it.

  10. Mark Hoefert

    Something worth reading.  From Althouse. Bolds are mine.  Andrew Sullivan is an AIDS survivor – some have said it affected his brain.
    “So we have created a scenario which has mercifully slowed the virus’s spread, but, as we are now discovering, at the cost…”

    “… of a potentially greater depression than in the 1930s, with no assurance of any progress yet visible. If we keep this up for six months, we could well keep the deaths relatively low and stable, but the economy would all but disintegrate. Just because Trump has argued that the cure could be worse than the disease doesn’t mean it isn’t potentially true. The previously unimaginable levels of unemployment and the massive debt-fueled outlays to lessen the blow simply cannot continue indefinitely. We have already, in just two months, wiped out all the job gains since the Great Recession. In six months? The wreckage boggles the mind. All of this is why, [on] some days, I can barely get out of bed. It is why protests against our total shutdown, while puny now, will doubtless grow. The psychological damage — not counting the physical toll — caused by this deeply unnatural way of life is going to intensify…. Damon Linker put it beautifully this week: ‘A life without forward momentum is to a considerable extent a life without purpose — or at least the kind of purpose that lifts our spirits and enlivens our steps as we traverse time. Without the momentum and purpose, we flounder. A present without a future is a life that feels less worth living, because it’s a life haunted by a shadow of futility.’… We keep postponing herd immunity, if such a thing is even possible with this virus. A massive testing, tracing, and quarantining regime seems beyond the capacity of our federal government in the foreseeable future… [S]ometimes the only way past something is through it.

    Writes Andrew Sullivan in………………..(link is at the post – I deleted to keep the comment out of quarantine)
    That last part – something to think about on Memorial Day if we are unable to honor those Veterans who lost their lives in foreign wars.  They did not sit home in safety and wait out the conflicts – they took the path “through it.”

  11. jjf

    Mar…  The lockdown is responsible for those deaths…  weird, usually it’s personal responsibility and character, and never the guns.  But in this case, it’s the lockdown.

  12. Mar

    Should have the kids been in school? Yes or no?
    Would have the father that killed the kids gone to the school and killed them?

  13. Mar

    And yet, jjf, you refused to answer the simple question is what is your solution.
    Keep the lockdown indefinitely?
    Is that a simple enough for you?
    You seem to be all over the map and when pressed, you refuse to give your solution.
    This is why it is difficult to have an intelligent conversation with you and other liberals.

  14. Merlin

    People unconsciously weigh risk against reward in their daily decision making. We do it all the time. The only real difference with the current apocalypse is that our decisions on how and when to return to life will be very conscious ones.

    As more folks realize that nobody is going to feed them or pay their bills, we’ll all decide for ourselves when the need to eat outweighs the possible risk of infection. Politics will take a backseat to bank balances.

    Some will be able to ride out a summer of financial misery easier than others. Some are already in desperate situations. Some are already beyond recovery. None of us needs a politician of any stripe to make that decision for us. None of them will ever step forward to accept the consequences of your decisions. Neither will your neighbors. Or contrarian, pain in the ass blog commenters.

    Weigh your options and do what’s best for you and yours with a clear conscience.



  15. jjf

    I’m not all over the map.  I’ve said the same thing since the beginning, and I gave you the links to my comments going back into March.  If you refuse to see, I can’t help you.  No one says “indefinite lockdown.”

    Could that crime have been committed after school, if they had still been in school?

  16. Mar

    It could have happened yesterday, on a Sunday, but it didn’t.
    There might have been a cooling off time.
    We don’t know that yet.
    But I guess you just don’t see the obvious.
    And you still have not given a reason why crime is up so much.
    Nothing to do with the lockdown, right?

  17. Mar

    So, I read back your past comments. You should be on board that state should be opened immediately.
    The hospitals are not being overrun. That is clear to just about everyone, except Governor Evers.
    So, go ahead, be consistent and demand the lockdown be lifted immediately with commonsense limitations.

  18. jjf

    Hospitals with empty beds – all good news.  How’s the up/down on cases?  Does that matter?

    The problem with common sense?  Ain’t so common.  Looks right here at B&S.  Owen was proud to post the video of a guy who pretended to not to understand what “six feet” could possibly mean.

    And then there’s you.

  19. Mar

    So, again deflecting and making excuses and in reality, you don’t believe what you wrote.
    Basically, you are saying indefinitely.
    You do realize they are laying off medical people in Madison because there too many open beds in the hospital.
    The more you write, the more you make the case this is more about Trump losing, more people dying and wrecking the economy.

  20. jjf

    Merlin – you know, I agree with most of that.  Except you don’t seem to be considering that any infected person could be spreading it to others.

    Do you have any social responsibility to consider that you should take any actions to not spread the infection?

  21. Kevin Scheunemann


    Kewaskum had 5 cases on April 1.

    We have 5 cases today.   (ignoringthe fact that they are probably all recovered, so it is really zero.)

    How much lower can a zero curve get?

    Businesses in my town should be made to suffer and shutdown when we have over 4 weeks of no new cases?

    Not on my watch.

    Support to make business suffer in responsible communities because of Madison and Milwaukee people passing this around fromliberal failure is ridiculous.


  22. jjf

    Mar, I said no such thing.  Why do you exaggerate?  If you truly read what I’ve written here in the past, you’d know I’ve said the plans – Federal and local – all plan to end lockdowns as necessary to lower the rate of spread (which influences whether hospitals could get overloaded, of course.)

    I’ll turn your question around.  Under what circumstances do you think it would be necessary to renew a lockdown in the future, even after this one is lifted?

  23. Mar

    So, jjf, do you lock down 2 entire counties for an infection rate of .08%?

  24. Jason

    >Kevin, here’s your dashboard.


    You know that dashboard confirms exactly what Kevin said, right?  Nice rebuttal Jealous Johnny.

  25. Mar

    jjf, still have even tried except to use the tired and unfounded excuse about the hospitals.
    If a lockdown had to be reinstated, it would be county by county and even city by city.
    And with the knowledge that hospitals would be overrun based on facts, not theories. That includes help from hospitals outside the immediate area,large hospitals in Madison, Marshfield, Wausau, Green Bay, Appleton and other cities. And that the National Guard and other agencies could not provide the neccessary help.

  26. jjf

    Jason, the numbers are what they are.  Do the people of the WOW counties work in Milwaukee?  Still travel there?

    Mar, again I ask, Iunder what circumstances do you think it would be necessary to renew a lockdown in the future, even after this one is lifted?

  27. Mar

    jjf, are you Helen Keller in disguise?
    Look at the above comment.

  28. jjf

    Uh OK, so you say city-by-city (maybe reasonable, maybe region-by-region) and “facts.”  So what are the facts?  Sevens days or fourteen days of an increase in cases, just like the WisGOP/Evers plans for deciding when to lift lockdowns, but in reverse?

  29. Mark Hoefert

    Do the people of the WOW counties work in Milwaukee?  Still travel there?

    Don’t know who is traveling or working right now, but workforce data as of 2019 showed:

    Washington County: Less than 50% of resident workers work in Washington County (48.78%).  19.5% work in Milwaukee County. 19.19% work in Waukesha County.  The Washington County workforce consists of 19.5% incoming from Milwaukee County; 19.19% incoming from Waukesha County.

    Ozaukee County: 50.24% of resident workers work in Ozaukee County.  31.7% commute to Milwaukee County.  Their workforce consists of 31.7% incoming from Milwaukee County.

    Factor in that as well as the impact of commerce, medical, & family ties, there is a lot of constant back and forth between residents of Milwaukee & the communities in Washington and Ozaukee counties.




  30. Mar

    My facts are hospitalizations not cases since the vast majority don’t require hospitalization. And after all, we are talking about not overloading hospitals.
    As far as Governor Evers, it’s a start but not nearly enough since it really does not affect a lot of people. But it is a start.

  31. Kevin Scheunemann


    I read the dashboard. Everyday. My Village has been ZERO NEW CASES FOR 28 days.

    How much lower do you want in your liberal totalitarian tyranny?

    We meet even the new migrated totalitarian liberal standard…that still is not good enough?

    We wait longer, we will lose businesses in Kewaskum. That will be far more devastating to the community.

  32. Pat


    Go ahead and open up.

  33. Kevin Scheunemann


    I have your full blessing? We can air elbow bump and sing cum by ya?

  34. Pat

    You bet we can. Did the town meet on this yet?

  35. Kevin Scheunemann

    At 7 PM.

  36. Pat

    Good luck.

  37. Mar

    Good for the judge knocking down the lame governor’s excuse. We’re just trying to save lives.
    What a crock.
    Now, the GOP should go to the judge in Ozaukee(?) and try to get the same ruling. Perhaps get the same judge who slapped Evers butt the last time.

  38. dad29

    Weigh your options and do what’s best for you and yours with a clear conscience.

    That’s what’s going to happen.  Tony won’t have one cop to help him arrest all the KILLER VIRUS CARRIERS MURDERING EVERYONE IN THEIR PATH RUN RUN HIDE HIDE!!

    The cops aren’t stupid enough to alienate the hoi polloi.

  39. Kevin Scheunemann

    Kewaskum village board vote failed 5 to 2 to recind the local emergency powers ordinance.

    I was 1 of 2 to vote for recinding local ordinance enforcement of State Emergency Powers.

    I don’t agree with the result, but I can atleast sleep the sleep of the just on doing the right thing in terms of my conscience tonight.


  40. Pat

    Should we assume that the 5 are hateful liberals?

  41. Kevin Scheunemann


    I think they are bought into the position that the standard for closure, and subsequent opening, can change from original promised, objective, “flatten the curve” to some other moving standard, that we are not clear on as a society. The village far meets any new standard of 14 days declining cases because we are at zero. So now, we are in this crazy position that zero is not zero because we don’t test enough!!!! This nebulous, we can’t open because amount of testing is a problem…Is subjective beyond imagination. If that is standard…nobody is opening without WI Supreme Court intervention in this state, if we have alleged Conservative County officials buying into that!

    Timing was a problem. There was a lack of courage on taking the lead here.

    They want to open, but don’t like doing it without surrounding communities on board.

    Call it what you want.

    I am still bought into the original, objective standard for closure. Mission accomplished! Let’s start to unpeal enforcement, so we can open.

    Now, I regret even buying into original “flatten the curve” reason, when 6 other states never closed and they have infection rates below the average. When I bought in, we thought this was going to kill 2 million people in U.S. Now, it is 60k, or just a little more than flu every year. Are we going to shut down over flu?

    We have allowed bureaucracy to promulgate rules and standards on State and County level to now justify the excessive power enforcement with little objective goal to give it up. That is now more concerning that any virus.

    I hope I am wrong about all of this.

    Even zero new cases is not enough, because bureaucratic structure can always argue it is not zero because of lack of testing!

    So we are caught in some sort of subjective, bureaucratic, state driven, hell that has destroyed the country and ourselves.

    I am sounding the alarm!!!

  42. jjf

    Kevin, you know the 2 million+ estimate was if we did nothing.

  43. Kevin Scheunemann


    Yes, because we know rate of infection is much, much higher than previously believed! So fatality rate is much, much lower than 2 million model assumed.

    Rate of infection is 50 times bigger in China than previously disclosed by latest data. That means death rate is near that of flu.

    This is a pig in a poke at this point on the scare mongering. Academic eggheads were grossly wrong, again.

  44. Mike


    Just like the closures, no one wants to be among the first to open, but no one will want to be the last to open either. once a few places open and start getting back to the new normal an avalanche of localities will open up.

    It is coming in spite of Evers edicts.

  45. Le Roi du Nord


    I have no issues with “opening things up” with the caveat that no one can enter or leave a different municipality without a negative test. That will help prevent some infected folks from down south dragging their illness up to a county that has a handful or less of virus cases. Why would anyone want to encourage travel that could infect a community like Kewaskum or Crandon that allegedly has no cases ? I’m sure k wouldn’t be so snarky were it his family that were sick, just as I won’t.

    Be smart. Keep everybody safe.

  46. jjf

    There’s also the possibility that far fewer people might go out for low-fat ice milk not-really-chocolate Dilly Bars, and a DQ might not be able to cover overhead, and then what?  Probably more business assistance from the government, which free-market business owners naturally deserve, right?

  47. Mar

    Le Roi: The Communist Thug of the Northwoods.

  48. Le Roi du Nord


    No communist here. You are lying again.

  49. Kevin Scheunemann


    I will be fine either way.   Even is we repealed local enforcement of emergency order, I was not opening up my Dining Area.   So I was going to personally continue the State guidence from a business standpoint.

    I find it fascinating you take a perfect policy argument and try to turn it onto something personally nefarious.

  50. jjf

    I find it fascinating you take a perfect policy argument and try to turn it onto something personally nefarious.

    Welcome to my world, Kevin.

  51. Kevin Scheunemann

    How can you possibly be personally attacked when you hide behind an anonymous moniker?


  52. MjM

    Nort the Nazi wants deine papiere, bitte: “….that no one can enter or leave a different municipality without a negative test

    Ok, so not an actual commie, but just down the road from one.

    Taking orders from Herr nEvers, I see.



  53. jjf

    I don’t think anyone wants to go there, MjM.  Unworkable as well, even if anyone proposed it.

    But I bet if anyone did, the WisGOP would insist it couldn’t be used as ID for voting!  Just a little FitzWalkerStan joke, there.

  54. Le Roi du Nord

    Typhoid mjm:

    You sure aren’t very respectful of the health of your fellow citizens.  Is it your selfishness, or your ignorance?

  55. MjM

    DMOTP Jiffy flags Nort: I don’t think anyone wants to go there

    Well, Nazi Nortomous certainly does.

    So does as certain disease “expert”:  “It’s one of those things that we talk about when we want to make sure who the vulnerable people are and not. This is something that’s being discussed, I think it might actually have some merit.”- Anthony Fauci,  04/10/20

    DMOTP fails his Improv debut:  Just a little FitzWalkerStan joke, there.

    Don’t quit yer day job.

  56. jjf

    Golly, MjM, I know it’s difficult in a place like B&S, but in the real world, even people you’ve already pigeon-holed might have an opinion that you might expect, and different from other people you thought were similar.

Pin It on Pinterest