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0850, 23 Apr 20

Hartford to Reopen Despite Governor’s Unconstitutional Orders

Huzzah for the city leaders in Hartford and the Washington County Sheriff.

HARTFORD — In what Mayor Tim Michalak said could be the biggest decision ever made by the Common Council, aldermen on Tuesday night unanimously agreed to have city staff create a plan to reopen city buildings and services no later than Monday and try to gradually bring them back to normal levels.

“We want the local businesses to also know the police department will not be overtly enforcing the state ‘stay at home’ order,” Michalak said. “Our department will be enforcing criminal and traffic laws.”

City officials said local businesses could reopen after that date “at their own risk and after careful consideration and consultation with their insurance agent and with customers.” The decision comes despite Gov. Tony Evers’ recent announcement to extend the Safer at Home order and other state-imposed rules to combat the spread of the coronavirus.

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“It’s time we do something. We can’t let this go on another month without opening up.”

Michalak said the city is not telling businesses to open up, but city officials are not going to kick in their door if they decide to do it and Washington County Sheriff Martin Schulteis has backed the city up in this decision.

“When it comes to the different communities he said he is going to follow ‘home rule,’ which means if they have their own Police Department he will allow that department to enforce the rules and or take action,” Michalak said. ‘We are saying we’re not going to be the boot that’s on their neck.’

The mayor said he has received numerous phone calls and emails from business owners who said they are faced with possibly closing their doors for good if the state-imposed orders are allowed to continue.

“We’re going to open the library and we’re going to open the public buildings,” Michalak said. “If we don’t do something soon to help our local

businesses we could see another depression. We need to bring freedom back to Hartford.”

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0850, 23 April 2020

67 Comments

  1. Le Roi du Nord

    “..boot that’s on their neck”.

    That is an excellent example of unnecessary hyperbole.

  2. Pat

    West Bend can’t be far behind.

  3. jjf

    We should just rely on common sense and know that business owners will protect their workers.

  4. Kevin Scheunemann

    This will be on Kewaskum Village Board agenda as well.

  5. dad29

    That is an excellent example of unnecessary hyperbole.

    The noted NorthWoods (which is going BK) literary critic pipes up!

  6. Kraig Sadownikow

    It is time Liberty and Personal Responsibility come to the forefront.

  7. Mar

    It will be interesting to see what insurance companies say.

  8. Merlin

    Doesn’t seem like everyone is being forced from their homes. My life, my choice?

    I’m assuming the more loyal subjects will still be free to indulge their cognitive distortions and voluntarily follow their liege lords further down the path of economic ruin. Happiness for all.

    Ain’t America great?

  9. Pat

    “My life, my choice”

    Yes!

  10. Mar

    There goes jjf, having no faith but hoping like hell the economy collapses even further.
    Just so Joe Biden wins November. No death or financial ruin of a person can stand in the way of of President Trump of being defeated. Those who die and lose everything are just taking one for the liberal team.

  11. jjf

    Faith versus science, here we go again.  The virus doesn’t care about your faith.  Apparently, there are plenty of meat processing plant owners around the country who don’t care if you get it, either.

    Don’t worry about Trump.  His ratings are great!  Maybe he’ll tell you about that again today in the virus update.  Not even any thoughts and prayers for the sick and the dead – he’s doing great!  But no one will take care of him.

    Has Owen posted about the Vos and Fitz run to the Supreme Court yet?

  12. Mar

    Actually, jjf, your science has been wrong. Very wrong.
    That is why you refuse to answer basic questions but instead you deflect.
    It’s not a question of faith but of facts.
    The facts are not on your side.
    But your politics and your hatred and your ghoulish thoughts outweigh commonsense.L

  13. jjf

    Guess we’ll have to wait for the history books to be written, Mar.

  14. Tuerqas

    I think this whole shut down of the private sector was a great idea!  Traffic deaths are down almost 50%.  We could have been saving almost 20,000 lives a year just from traffic accidents if we had instituted this  a few years ago.  Let’s keep this going, right?

    (This opinion could have been given at a Trump staff meeting from a rep of the Dept of Transportation.)  Trump listening to one advisor exclusively would make really bad decisions every time.  This is essentially what Fauci supporters are espousing.  From just the medical point of view, it is clear we should stay closed down until we invent a vaccine.  Opening ANYTIME sooner than that will cost lives due to Covid19.

    I say BFD.  Why is it the right of Government to decide that primarily small business owners or any workers in ‘non-essential jobs’ will fall to ruin with some dying due to suicide, starvation and depression, rather than anyone in America falling ill with some dying due to Covid19?

     

  15. jjf

    Suppression is a middle ground.  No one suggested it was being done to avoid any loss of life.  But you know that, right?  If lockdown hadn’t happened, by anyone’s estimation, it would’ve run like wildfire through the population.  Lockdown merely slows it down.

  16. Mar

    Right jjf, like the virus ran amok in Sweden, Iowa, South Dakota etc.
    What is it like to be on the wrong side of facts time and time again, jjf?
    But of course, you have said that we should not open up the private sector until we get a vaccine, which could take months, years or never.

  17. jjf

    No, Mar, everyone’s suppression-based plan – be it Trump’s or Evers’ – says lockdowns happen when infections climb, and then they get lifted.  But you know that.

  18. Mar

    But jjf, you don’t support that.
    And if total lockdown is so great, explain NYC.
    BTW, some experts think that over than 1/4 NYC residents may have gotten the infection but didn’t display symptoms. And now they have the antibodies, meaning they are mostly immune from the virus.

  19. MjM

    Tuerqas  sez: “ Traffic deaths are down almost 50%.”

    Snark aside, here in WI traffic deaths,  as of 4/19,  are only 5 behind last year’s.

    109 DEAD!  OH NO!!  SHUT DOWN THE INTERSTATE!  THE BACK ROADS!   SHUT THE (evil) GAS STATIONS!!  CLOSE THE GOOD-YEAR TIRE AND AUTO REPAIR STORES!  TURN OFF THE WATER AT THE CAR WASHES!  G’VMENT MUST NIP THIS IN THE BUD OR HOSPITALS WILL COLLAPSE AND WE ALL GONNA DIEEEEEEEE!!!!!

     

  20. jjf

    Mar, I don’t support what?

  21. Mar

    “No, Mar, everyone’s suppression-based plan – be it Trump’s or Evers’ – says lockdowns happen when infections climb, and then they get lifted.”
    This.

  22. jjf

    I’ve been saying that, over and over, since the beginning.  If infections start to drop again, the lockdowns get lifted.  If you didn’t see that, you weren’t paying attention.  I’ll also add…  and after that, if the infections get too bad again, regions will again be locked down again.

  23. Mar

    Oh geez jjf, now you are getting into the lying?
    You have said in the past that we should not open up the economy until we come with a vaccine.
    You do remember that, don’t you.
    I guess, if you are a liberal, lying is in your DNA.

  24. Mar

    So, Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum say, trust the medical experts.
    But the third leading cause of death in the US per year are medical errors, according to John Hopkins.
    Yes, let’s put all of our trust into the medical experts.

  25. Le Roi du Nord

    That is 4 years old.  Any follow-up or additional information?  Why isn’t there anything more recent giving more details?

  26. jjf

    Mar, yes, the suppression cycle will continue until a vaccine emerges, or herd immunity emerges, or a treatment plan is developed.  Feel free to look back at my comments however you like.  It’s what I’ve said all along.  And again, it’s the plan that everyone says they’re going to follow, from the Feds on down.

    But feel free to lay down the insults – we just want a civil conversation!  It’s in our DNA!

  27. Mar

    Sadly, jjf, you are wrong.
    So, how do you propose getting the herd mentality if people cannot go outside except to the store?
    And 1 more thing, when this all beginning, you ridiculed me about the herd mentality.

  28. Mar

    Le Roi, do you think its changed?

  29. dad29

    business owners will protect their workers.

    The Chinese Communist owners of Smithfield certainly do, Jiffy.  Right?

    How many lives will Tokin’Tony save with his little lockdown, Jiffy?  Got a number?  How about a good guess?  Even a projection will do!

  30. jjf

    Those Commies, they’re coming to get you, Dad29.

    How many lives?  All of them.

    How many people do you know who didn’t get polio when you were a little kid?

  31. Le Roi du Nord

    Herd mentality??

    That is why I asked. Don’t you find it odd that there hasn’t been anything else on the subject in 4 years?

  32. Pat

    Please, don’t inject disinfectants into your body.

  33. Le Roi du Nord

    Perhaps mar, mjm, etal, and all the protesters should be required to get a Lysol injection to test how it works to combat corona virus.

  34. Pat

    Dud’s already strapped to an IV pump.

  35. jjf

    Le Roi, I’m sure Mar and his years of medical experience will say that it’s possible it could help, the President said it could help, and that why are you standing in the way of a cure, you must just hate Trump for the successful business man that he is.

  36. jjf

    Mar, look back to April 10, where I said:

    Waves of suppression is the best approach.  It’s what the epidemiologists recommended from the start.  And yes, Trump’s own plan is that, too.  He’s botched many aspects of it, but suppression is still the core of it.

    Or April 16 (in “One Disease. Two States. Different Choices. Different Results.”) :

    Mar, pay attention.  As far as the eye can see, suppression is the plan.  It’s the Federal plan, it’s the plan of the states, it was the plan in other countries.  Rolling lockdowns, state by state, or city by city, region by region.  The goal is to prevent the hospitals from overflowing, because when that happens, even more people die unnecessarily.  That would hurt the economy, too.

  37. jjf

    Mar…  Or back to March 26, already erased and down the B&S memory hole, but at least Google has a cache:

    No, Mar, these restrictions are in place temporarily to reduce the load on the hospitals, in order to save lives.  And I know the government doesn’t like to tell you this, but I predict there will be waves of restrictions, region by region, over the course of the next year or so.  That’s how suppression will work.  If a vaccine or treatment arises, that can change the game.  But I predict a few more waves of lockdown, falling infection, removal of the restrictions, and then as infection rises again, new restrictions.  That’s what’s in the federal plan.

  38. Mar

    And you also said we should not lift the lockdown until a vaccine is invented. We had a nice long discussion about this.
    Nice revisionist history, though.

  39. Mar

    And jjf and Le Roi, I am sure you can provide a exact quote President Trump said to put dangerous disinfectants, such as bleach and Lysol type items, in your body.
    I know you guys got your talking points from your liberal overlords this morning and you, acting like the good sheeple you are, baa out what they say, but please show me the exact quote.

  40. Pat

    Don’t forget to don your faux military fatigues, and pack some hardcore weaponry, for the gala Flu Cucks Klan rally today.

    Be safe, Patriots.

  41. jjf

    Mar, show me.  Don’t worry.  I won’t call you a liar.  People can change.  I have high hopes for you.

    Pat – Tacti-Kool!

  42. jjf

    Sure, Mar.  Here’s the quote I got from Fox News web:

    “Question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So supposing we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light. And I think you said that hasn’t been checked but you’re going to test it,” Trump said, looking over to Bryan.

    “And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you’re gonna test that, too. Sounds interesting, right?”

    He continued: “And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or, or almost a cleaning? Because you see it gets on the lungs and it does a tremendous number, so it will be interesting to check that. So that you’re going to have to use medical doctors. But it sounds, it sounds interesting to me. So we’ll see.

    “But the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute, that’s, that’s pretty powerful.”

    But best of all, there’s Birx’s reaction.

    One minute!  It’s like a miracle cure!

  43. Mar

    Again, where does to drink or inject a dangerous disinfectant?
    Maybe you, Le Roi and other people who are mnot that smart would think of putting something dangerous in your body, or know someone dumb enough to do so.

  44. Le Roi du Nord

    “who are mnot that smart”

    That says it all.

  45. jjf

    It’s a mystery, Mar!  What did Trump mean, in the quote I provided?  Injection?  Spray?  Is there a way?  It’s a mystery!  Bring it inside the body!

    And this is Our President.

    But at least it’s not like he’s wearing a tan suit or suggesting a fancy mustard!

  46. Mar

    How about getting a medicine that acts like a disinfectant.
    Many medicines do act like a disinfectants. Antibiotics, chemo, radiation therapy and others medicines and medical procedures.
    Yes, he certainly could have articulated better because he has to assume liberals will take his words out of context, so he has to speak plainly and slowly so liberals like yourself understand what he is saying.
    But even then, the haters out there, like you and Le Roi will mangle his words no matter what he says.

  47. dad29

    How many lives?  All of them.

    EXACTLY as many as Trump saved by cutting off incoming disease-vectors from Communist China, twit.

    Thank you!

  48. dad29

    Yah, the DNC/China Central Committee talking points are built for the low-IQ among us.

    UV light was the topic, not Lysol.  But LeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeRoy and Jiffy understand “Lysol” not UV light.

    That’s why the Chinese Communist Central Committee does what it does, both here and abroad.

  49. jjf

    Pay attention, Dad29.  All I did was quote your Orange Leader, with the words from the Fox News site.  What did he say?

    Are you mumbling about the sneaky Chinese again?

  50. jjf

    Dad29 – for extra credit, tell me exactly who Trump “cut off” from coming from China, and what this might’ve done for the spread of the virus.

  51. Le Roi du Nord

    mar:

    You should listen to what William Bryan said immediately prior to trump, speaking about using disinfectants like bleach, alcohol and sunlight could kill the virus on surfaces.   Your medical genius extrapolated that into his dangerous and unproven prescription of using them internally.  And you highly educated devotees bought it hook line and sinker.

  52. Merlin

    Believing that Trump told you to ingest disinfectant cleaning solutions is a pretty strong indication that you need to seek help from your nearest mental health professional. Tell them the same silly shit you’re posting here and they’ll surely get you into the next available appointment.

  53. Le Roi du Nord

    No, he said “inject”.

  54. MjM

    Nort keeps on lying III:  Your medical genius extrapolated that into his dangerous and unproven prescription of using them internally.

    This is getting really old.

    Once again, to the contrary,  he prescribed no such thing.

    He merely asked a question,  “And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or, or almost a cleaning?”

    Comprehension is hard.  Your leftist stupidity comes easy.

  55. Le Roi du Nord

    So now you admit he said “inject”.  Bravo!

  56. Pat

    Trump Apologist Syndrome at it’s best.

  57. MjM

    Nort lies IV:  So now you admit he said “inject”.

    Actually, no.   “by injection inside, or…” are the words actually used.

    Like I said, comprehension is not your strong suit by any means.  Perhaps that is because you can’t even read simple phrases.  Is that “hydrochloroquine” you are taking causing it’s known side effect?

    And of course,  you remain unable to admit you lied yet again about Trump’s intent.   Sad.

    Gosh, what else does about 45% of the population get “by injection”  every fall?  I wonder what could that be?

  58. MjM

    Patsy  babbles banality at it best:  Trump Apologist Syndrome at it’s best.

  59. jjf

    You might think it was fun to argue about whether Trump said pour it in your ear or not, but the fact is, what he was saying was bat-shirt crazy.  Own it.  The President is an idiot.

  60. Le Roi du Nord

    mjm:

    Yes. you are correct, my sincere apologies, but that isn’t the same as ingest.

    His intent was “injection”.  Of disinfectants.

    “And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or, or almost a cleaning? Because you see it gets on the lungs and it does a tremendous number, so it will be interesting to check that.”

    Are volunteering to be the test subject?

  61. MjM

    Nort lies V:  His intent was “injection”.

    It was a query (hint: “?”), not a go-do-it-rightnow suggestion that you and all the rest usual lefties are claiming.

    And I’ll ask again, since you appear to have ignored it:   What does about 45% of the population get “by injection” every fall?

    Nort offers typical leftist non-apology apology:   my sincere apologies, but that isn’t the same as ingest.

    As expected.

     

     

     

  62. Mar

    You see, MjM, besides lying, didn’t you know Le Roi is also amazing at ESP?

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