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1711, 21 Feb 20

Trump Pushes for Trillion Dollar Spending Bonanza

Just say no, folks. We don’t have the money. If you want to spend a trillion dollars on this, find a trillion dollars elsewhere (and more to eliminate a budget deficit) to cut.

In another election year, Trump has outlined a new $1 trillion plan for spending on roads, rails, water systems and other infrastructure. This time, the president is proposing to rely fully on federal spending. That fundamental change from his first plan drew praise from some state transportation officials and industry groups, even though Trump doesn’t spell out how to pay for it all.

Since outlining his budget proposal last week, Trump has done little to promote his new infrastructure plan. A politically divided Congress has no obligation to consider it. In fact, Trump’s prior infrastructure proposals all stalled, even when Republicans controlled both the House and Senate.

Some Republicans already are lowering expectations.

“The Republican House version of the bill won’t be a trillion dollars, I can tell you that right now,” said U.S. Rep. Sam Graves, the ranking GOP member of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee. “It will be a lot farther south than that.”


1711, 21 February 2020


  1. Kevin Scheunemann

    Ugh! This is bad Trump.

    The problem is: Trump is still super fiscal conservative next to the insanity of Bernie Sanders.

  2. Mar

    One problem is that we really do need some infrastructure work done.
    How much, I dont know.

  3. jjf

    I think he’s trying to out-Bernie Bernie.

  4. Kevin Scheunemann


    What are you talking about? Bernie is 10 times worse, he still makes Trump look fiscal conservative.

    That might have been dumbest comment ever.

  5. Le Roi du Nord


    According to the ASCE (2017) the US needs ~$4.5 trillion by 2025 for repairs to roads, bridges, dams,public utilities, etc.


    How did you determine the 10x figure?  Could you show your work?

  6. Kevin Scheunemann

    Green New Deal is $90 trillion alone, without Medicare for all cost, or other crazy communist schemes.

    I am being generous to Bernie.

    How about you confirm my question on other thread?

  7. Le Roi du Nord


    You not being generous, you are being dishonest.

    “Sanders’s $16.3 trillion proposal to make the Green New Deal a reality is the largest among the Democratic contenders. The idea is to generate money from sources like selling energy via power marketing authorities, penalties on polluters, and income taxes from the 20 million new jobs created under the plan”.

    From Vox,and Business Insider, Feb 19, 2020.

  8. Kevin Scheunemann


    I am using AOC number based on her plans, his #1 cheerleader.

    16 trillion is dishonest for the Marxiet plans these commies haves.

    …and you say nothing against it. Disgraceful to everything that is good and right!

  9. Le Roi du Nord


    So you are saying that you know more about Sander’s plan the he does?  Perhaps you could prove how you know this?  Or just keep on making stuff up to salve your ego.

    How is protecting our planet for future generations, creating 20 million new jobs, and penalizing polluters Marxist?  Why would any rational being be opposed to protecting the future for generations to come?  Or are you too selfish to think toward the future?

  10. Le Roi du Nord

    Sure that is what fauxnews says, but that isn’t The plan Sanders is proposing.  Too much thinking for you to figure that out?  Or since it doesn’t fit in your world view you just fabricate something that does?

    And I am surely not a “crusty old commie”.  I was fighting communism before you were born.

  11. steveegg

    Infrastructure Week 100 is going to be, as the kids say, lit AF…with 2 s’s.

  12. Kevin Scheunemann


    Bernie is not honest about cost on any front.

    If you are fighting commies, when will you start with Bernie?

  13. Le Roi du Nord

    And how do you know that?  Let’s see some proof of your knowledge.  Or are you just making stuff up again?

  14. Kevin Scheunemann


    Name one massive new government program that ever came in less than 10 times original cost estimate?

  15. Kevin Scheunemann

    When will you start fighting (vs sympathizing) with commie Bernie Bros?

  16. Pat


    Is Bernie a communist?

  17. dad29

    Yes, he’s a Communist.  The classical definition is that a Communist is a Socialist+atheist.

    That separates Bernie from, say, Zeidler, Hoan, and Seidel–all Socialists, but religious believers.

  18. Pat

    How so?

  19. Le Roi du Nord

    Not necessarily so, dud.

    “Communism is a philosophical, social, political and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of a communist society, namely a socioeconomic order structured upon the ideas of common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money and the state”.

  20. Le Roi du Nord


    Every wastewater treatment plant in the state built under the CWA.

  21. Kevin Scheunemann


    Fact you deny, or question that Bernie is a communist means you do not fight communists.

    Stop being dishonest about fighting communusts. You embrace them today.

  22. MjM

    “I favor the public ownership of utilities, banks and major industries,” – Sanders , Burlington Free Press, 1976

    “I am in favor of public ownership[, but I’m not gonna tell you that I’m gonna nationalize all the private companies my first day in office… …maybe the second day. ….”. Sanders, at SEIU town hall, Concord NH, 1984.

    “The renewable energy generated by the Green New Deal will be publicly owned, managed by the federal Power Marketing Administrations, the Bureau of Reclamation and the Tennessee Valley Authority and sold to distribution utilities with a preference for public power districts, municipally- and cooperatively-owned utilities with democratic, public ownership, and other existing utilities that demonstrate a commitment to the public interest,”. – Sanders’ Green New Deal plan, 2020


  23. Kevin Scheunemann

    To add to MJM’s comment…Bernie has not retracted any of those comments. He will not, because he is a true believer communist.

    Nord, when will you get to opposing this commie, openly?

  24. Pat

    There are many publicly owned companies. Check out Dow Jones, NYSE, NASDAQ.

  25. Kevin Scheunemann


    When Bernie says “public owned”, he means “government owned and run”

    None of those you mentioned are government owned and run.

    Why do you guys run interference for a communist? Unless you sympathize with the communist.

  26. Pat

    44 years ago Sanders said, “I favor the public ownership of utilities, banks and major industries,”

    Chris Wallace, in a recent interview, asked Sanders, “ Here’s a quote from you: I favor the public ownership of utilities, banks, and major industries.

    Senator, do you still believe that in the public ownership of major industries?

    SANDERS: Chris, that was — Chris, that was —

    WALLACE: And if not, why?

    SANDERS: I live in a city that — where I am right now, we do a public ownership of our electric department, and they do a pretty good. A lot of electric departments all over this country are publicly owned.

    Do I believe that workers should have more say and be sitting on the boards of large corporations? Yes, I do. Do I believe that we should break up some of the major banks on Wall Street and support credit unions and community banks? Yes, I do.

    So, I think really one of the things we have to look at is the fact that power in this country rests with just a handful of people. You’ve got six financial institutions that have assets equivalent to 54 percent of the GDP. Six institutions control the flow of trillions of dollars.

    When we talk about democracy, it means not just voting every two years, it is giving working people more of a say in what goes on in the economy.

  27. Kevin Scheunemann


    That is a support of his past communism, not a denial.

    Bernie want to claim “democratic socialism” is different than his tyrant communist advocacy of the past, but never really defines how “democrat socialism” is different. Its still a commmie crap pile. Just because you put sprinkles on a commie crap pile, does not eliminate the crap pile.

  28. Pat

    “ Sanders in April 2019 rejected the notion he condones “authoritarian communism” when asked to explain his views on democratic socialism during a CNN town hall event.

    “Is it your assumption that I supported or believe in authoritarian communism that existed in the Soviet Union?” Sanders said to an attendee who asked about his views. “I don’t. I never have, and I opposed it. I believe in a vigorous democracy.”

    “I believe that in a democratic, civilized society, health care is a human right. Government should make that happen,” Sanders said.

    “What democratic socialism means to me is we expand Medicare, we provide educational opportunity to all Americans, we rebuild our crumbling infrastructure,” Sanders added. “In other words, government serves the needs of all people rather than just wealthy campaign contributors. That’s what it means to me.”

  29. dad29

    Gee.  Bernie the Commie defines ‘democratic socialism’ any way he wants, just as LeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeRoy finds a definition of Communism which doesn’t mention its philosophically-required atheism (but acknowledges its proximity to socialism.)

    As to “community-owned” utilities—sure, they exist and they work.  But in a genuine socialist/communist scheme, all the consumers would pay exactly the same amount regardless of usage.   That’s not the case with those utilities now.  Somehow, that factoid escaped LeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeRoy’s notice.

  30. Pat

    I think Sanders is describing more the Nordic model versus the Venezuelan model of governance.

  31. jjf

    I thought the Russians were our friends now!  What was Putin says 44 years ago?

  32. MjM

    Patsy licks Breadline Bernie’s crap: “44 years ago Sanders said… “

    “Having a long record gives people the understanding that these ideas that I’m talking about—they are in my guts. They are in my heart. This is who I am as a human being, and it ain’t gonna change.” – Sanders, Oct 2019

    Patsy gorges on Bernie’s crap: “I don’t. I never have, and I opposed [authoritarian communism]. I believe in a vigorous democracy. [Sanders]”

    “But I remember, for some reason, being very excited when Fidel Castro made the revolution in Cuba.” – Sanders, 1986

    “I was very excited and impressed by the Cuban Revolution. And there was Kennedy and Nixon talking about which particular method they should use about destroying the revolution. Kennedy was saying that Nixon was too soft on communism…we should deal firmly with Fidel Castro. And Nixon was playing the role of ‘Hey, you got to be patient. You can’t do these things. But I actually got up from the room and almost left to puke.” Sanders, 1986

    “The Cuban revolution is a very profound and very deep revolution. Much deeper than I had understood, More interesting than their providing their people with free health care, free education, free housing … is that they are in fact creating a very different value system than the one we are familiar with.” – Mayor Sanders official statement, 1989

    “There are some things that [the Soviet Union does] better than we do and which were, in fact, quite impressive. Subway systems in in Moscow costs 5 kopecs — or 7 cents. Faster, cleaner, more attractive and more efficient than any in the U.S. and cheap. The train trip that we took from Leningrad to Moscow — for Soviet citizens — was very cheap….. Further, like the United States, Soviet industry is lagging behind in terms of technological breakthroughs, re-tooling, and plant investment”. – Sanders, 1988

    (Never mind the thousands who died while being forced to dig that subway system or that, unlike the US, the Soviet Union collapsed three years later. )

    “From the numerous communal kibbutzim in Israel that Bernie Sanders could have chosen from in 1963, why would Sanders have voluntarily joined Kibbutz Sha’ar Ha’amakim, whose founder Aharon Cohen was convicted of spying for the Soviet Union? The kibbutz belonged to the Israeli political party Mapam, a communist, Soviet-affiliated faction. Kibbutz members had admired Joseph Stalin until his death, and they would celebrate May Day with red flags.”

    To repeat:

    “Having a long record gives people the understanding that these ideas that I’m talking about—they are in my guts. They are in my heart. This is who I am as a human being, and it ain’t gonna change.” – Sanders, Oct 2019

  33. Pat

    Major Moron,

    Do you have a link to the quote, “Having a long record gives people the understanding that these ideas that I’m talking about—they are in my guts. They are in my heart. This is who I am as a human being, and it ain’t gonna change.” for a reference to the context with which that statement was made.

  34. Pat


    Not too lazy, just wanted your source for context.

    So, do you believe Sanders would be a greater authoritarian leader than Trump currently is?

  35. Le Roi du Nord


    As I have told you numerous times Bernie is my first, nor second, choice. But if nominated I will enthusiastically support him. And I don’t think Bernie is a communist any more than you think trump is an authoritarian fascist. Or haven’t you figured out the difference yet?

  36. MjM

    Patsy adds straw to her craptacular dining: “…Sanders would be a greater authoritarian leader”

    And you call me the moron.

    Fascinating how little you know about the man who you defend and who’s crap you relish.

  37. Le Roi du Nord

    Sorry, that should be “Isn’t “. Bernie isn’t my first, nor second, choice

  38. Pat

    Sorry Moron,

    I’m not defending Sanders. I’m asking questions. Evidently to people who have the inability to give rationale answers. Sorry I over estimated you, again.

  39. dad29

    But if nominated I will enthusiastically support him. And I don’t think Bernie is a communist

    What YOU think is irrelevant.  What counts is what Bernie says and does, such as his unalloyed admiration for Castro and the Soviet Union–both of which have killed a crap-ton of people in order to bring about the People’s Paradise.

    Trump, by the way, exercises ONLY the powers granted him by the Constitution–and he does so legally, unlike his poisonous-snake Communist predecessor/Alinsky-ite.  That “legally” part is important, because actual authoritarian fascists don’t follow laws.  Can you spell O-B-A-M-A?

  40. Pat

    Dud just shit his pants!

  41. Merlin

    No, Dad just offered a lesson.

  42. Le Roi du Nord


    And the feeling is mutual.  But your thoughts are relevant in the sense that they are a clear picture of delusion in its’ finest form.

    Could you point out where in the constitution the president is granted the power to ask foreign countries for help in getting (re-)elected?  Or where powers are granted to interfere with a federal court?    Be specific.  Thanks.

  43. Pat

    A lesson in what? Delusional ranting?

  44. jjf

    Golly, Dad29…  how many times has Trump run afoul of the law?

    Can you spell S-P-I-T-T-L-E?

  45. Mar

    “Golly, Dad29…  how many times has Trump run afoul of the law?”
    As president, 0 times.

  46. Le Roi du Nord

    According to The Hill, by the spring of 2019 over 60 actions by trump were found unconstitutional, and tossed out by the courts.

    Add that to the bevy of his cronies and appointees convicted in the last couple years and you have someone certainly “afoul” of the law.

  47. Pat

    Trump drained the swamp and turned it into a cesspool.

    Awful. Just awful

  48. Merlin

    That swamp draining has expanded to three different US Attorneys. All three are from outside DC.

  49. dad29

    Could you point out where in the constitution the president is granted the power to ask foreign countries for help in getting (re-)elected?

    What counts, LeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeRoy, is this:  where does the Constitution FORBID such activity?

    Just for clarity, also please cite the portions of the treaty with Ukraine which also FORBID the chief LEO of the US to pursue criminals abroad.

    See, the delusions about Trump are all marked “Property of LeeeeeeeeeeeeeeRoy”.  You begin with the delusion that the USA is a diaper into which other countries—and the Deep State–may take dumps.  And like the Deep State and other assorted enemies of the USA, your pants get twisted when somebody refuses to accept your crap.

    Too bad.

  50. dad29

    Oh, LeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeRoy……… forgot to condemn the Communists for their slaughters.  Yes, I know:  if you do that, you have to explain your support for Bernie and Obozo, both Communists.

    So maybe that “slaughter” stuff doesn’t bother you so much, eh?

    Man up.  Wear that blood-red with PRIDE, LeeeeeeeeeeeeeeRoy.

  51. Kevin Scheunemann

    Nord will never denounce communist evil.

    He embraces it…mostly with his silence, and his failure to denounce it when asked.

    Very disappointing that communist evil cannot be agreed on in our society as universally awful.

  52. Pat

    Authoritarianism is evil and destructive over all, no matter what positive things are enacted. That is why I will never support an authoritarian as POTUS.

  53. jjf

    Wait, Bernie’s ideas aren’t far from FDR or Teddy or even Eisenhower, but Putin isn’t a Communist, and Putin’s our friend now?  We’ve gone from “but the Founders said in the Federalist papers that the character of…” to “but where does the Constitution forbid that”?

  54. Kevin Scheunemann

    Pat and Jjf,

    You 2 are awful. Comparing Castro to Teddy, FDR and Trump.

    Bernie praises Castro.

    Trump does not.

    That should focus your criticism on Bernie as authoritarian in the race.

    I guess “draining the swamp” translates to “authoritarian” in liberal fever swamps these days.

  55. dad29

    Authoritarianism is evil and destructive over all,

    So you’re some sort of Libertarian?

    Define “autoritarian” for us.

  56. dad29


  57. Pat


    Can’t you read??? I called out authoritarianism as evil. Here it is again, “Authoritarianism is evil and destructive over all, no matter what positive things are enacted.” I also said I will never vote for an authoritarian to be POTUS. What part of that do you have a problem with???

  58. Pat


    What? You can’t look up a definition yourself?

  59. Kevin Scheunemann


    Who is the least authoritarian,viable, presidential candidate in your view?


  60. Pat


    You first, and explain why.

  61. Kevin Scheunemann


    He supports free market.

    Believes in borders.

    Likes tax cuts.

    Record number of regulations abolished.

    Is against the global warming cult ruling our lives.

    Pulled out of Paris accord.

    Record employment. (which grants freedom….)

    Median income highest ever.

    Record low minority unemployment.  50 year low overall unemployment.

    4 million Americans off of food stamps.

    Small business has lowest marginal taz rates in 80 years.

    Obamacare penalty gone.

    Signed right to try legislation.

    Canceled clean power plan, which was anti-coal.

    NATO paying way more for their defense (vs. U.S.)

    Withdrew from terrorist supporting Iran deal.

    Re-did trade deals to our advantage.

    I can go on.   If Trump was an “authoritarian”, why does he do things to de-centtralize power down to the people?

    Now, let’s hear your VIABLE choice for president….

  62. Pat

    I see an authoritarian having the following traits.

    1) Rejecting or showing weak commitment to democratic rules.

    Trump checks all those.

    I’d say anyone but Trump would be better.

    2) Denying the legitimacy of political opponents.

    3) Encouraging or tolerating violence.

    4) A readiness to stifle or limit civil liberties of opponents, including media.

  63. Kevin Scheunemann


    Example?  of 1,2,3,or 4?

    On #4, Obama had reporters arrested.   Trump has never done that, depsite the vicious media treatment he receives.  Never heard you bitch about Obama doing that.

    I gave you an extensive list of “freedom” (anti-authoritarian) accomplishments by Trump.   You are going to stand here and tell me Bernie is better than that with a straight face?   If so,you are more delusional than I envisioned.


  64. Kevin Scheunemann

    “Denying legitimacy of political opponents”….is that authoritarian?  or just smart politics?

    When Warren got baited into the DNA test by Trump, was that results disaster her fault because she is so stupid?   or Trump being an “authoritarian”?

    The answer is:  It is because Warren is so stupid.   She delegitimized herself because she is not equipped to deal with Trump.  Her problem is: she, and her liberal ilk, think Trump is stupid.   That is not the case, because they (the wise and smart liberals) keep getting tricked into doing stupid things by Trump.

  65. Le Roi du Nord


    I have never embraced communist evil, and have told you that numerous times.  No matter how many times you say it, it will never be true. I do denounce authoritarianism of all types, and those who chose ignorance over knowledge.  And you, of all people, shouldn’t be calling anyone stupid.

    PS:  If you have noticed, Fidel has been dead for a while.

  66. Le Roi du Nord


    In re you list:

    Free market: Nah, he supported foxconn, pushes for one industry segment (coal) over others, enacted tariffs that adversely affected many industries/businesses (ask a hog farmer).

    Tax cuts:  For the wealthy

    Regulations (laws):  That is what distinguishes us from wild animals.

    All the environmental/coal/Paris accord :  Extremely short-sighted, and tremendously detrimental to future generations.

    Economy/trade:   metrics are up for debate, many of his claims are just not true.  His USMCA is merely NAFTA 1.1


  67. Kevin Scheunemann


    We know you are an authoritarian….


  68. Le Roi du Nord


    Based on your general lack of knowledge on a variety of subjects, we can pretty much dismiss your comment as more of your made up ideological nonsense.     Do you feel better now?

  69. Kevin Scheunemann


    Your Authoritarian test:

    Did you celebrate, or get upset, when Obamacare health insurance mandate/penalty was removed?

  70. MjM

    Pasty adheres: “I see an authoritarian having the following traits.”

    The very definition of your entire Democrat party.

    Atta gurl!

    1) Rejecting or showing weak commitment to democratic rules.

    See: Russian Collusion“, Adam Shiffthead, House investigation, FBI, CIA, DOJ

    2) Denying the legitimacy of political opponents.

    Your entire Democrat party

    3) Encouraging or tolerating violence.

    See:  Rep. Paul Kanjorski, D-Pa, Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) , Rep. Ruben Gallego (D-AZ),  Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA), Rep. Eric Swalwell (D-CA),  Obama deputy SOS Philippe Reines,  Modanna,  Kathy Griffin,  Alzalia Banks,  Loretta Lynch, Obama,  SEIU,  Eric Holder,  Fredo Cuomo,  BLM, ANTIFA, and …. well…. pretty much your entire Democrat party

    4) A readiness to stifle or limit civil liberties of opponents, including media.

    Pretty much your entire Democrat party


  71. Pat

    Moron swings and misses.

  72. Kevin Scheunemann


    Missed your examples.

    Also missed your candidate suggestion who is less authoritarian than Trump.   Bernie checks all the Trump list as MUCH MORE AUTHORITARIAN and downright human rights violating on every issue I listed.

  73. Pat


    I don’t have a candidate yet. I have plenty of time to make my decision. I don’t believe I need to select from just two parties. I know, I won’t be selecting from the Republican Party as they don’t have a candidate that I find best represents
    American values.

  74. Kevin Scheunemann


    Nobody on Democrat side reflects American values at all.

    They are all control freak thugs.

    If you are waiting for a Libertarian candidate, that is why I asked for “viable” candidate. Libertarians are a debating society vs. an effective political party.

    That is comung from a lifetime member of LP.

    So you talk big, but fail to come up with someone better than Trump.

    You can’t even provide examples to you Trump criticism because you know I will obliterate them.

    I was blinded by dislike for Trump in 2016. I kept an open mind and he has really surprised me in his accomplishments. Try not to be blinded to facts in your hatred.

  75. Pat


    My eyes are wide open when it comes to Trump, and I will take anyone over him.

  76. Le Roi du Nord


    I was disappointed that any politician would play politics with healthcare.  In this case trump making every attempt to dismantle the ACA without the great, less costly plan he promised.  He had no plan, never did, still doesn’t.  When thwarted by McCain and others, trump went (and still goes) all childish temper tantrum.  That isn’t leadership, it is juvenile behavior by a spoiled brat that didn’t get his way.   His pathetic, childish,  and unpatriotic treatment of McCain, standing by itself, should disqualify him from any future election success.  And if re-elected, speaks poorly of those voting for him.

    And yet he still crows about preserving pre-existing condition coverage, yet is trying through the courts to eliminate it.  Pure and simple dishonesty.

  77. Merlin

    Y’all need to do yourselves a favor and get an education in the basics of deception planning. Then look into St. John McCain’s direct involvement in Spygate. The poor bastard’s hatred made him a prime mark and he bit HARD. The man was used and abused.

  78. dad29

    A readiness to stifle or limit civil liberties of opponents, including media.

    The Chicago Commie Obama spied on 3 reporters AND the PARENTS of one of those reporters, spied on Donald Trump in 2015.  Further, Obama’s DNI has admitted that Obama’s NSA collected every single phone call and email sent by any resident (citizen or non-) of the USA.  EVERY SINGLE ONE.

    Rejecting or showing weak commitment to democratic rules.

    The Chicago Commie Obama bribed Cook County court employees to leak the (supposedly sealed) divorce records of his opponent–which became front-page news.  The Chicago Commie also showed “weak commitment” to democracy in his first campaign:

    In his first race for office, seeking a state Senate seat on Chicago’s gritty South Side in 1996, Obama effectively used election rules to eliminate his Democratic competition.

    As a community organizer, he had helped register thousands of voters. But when it came time to run for office, he employed Chicago rules to invalidate the voting petition signatures of three of his challengers.–CNN

    Also fits your #3 objection, by the way.

    Violence?  “When they bring a knife, we bring a gun.”  Obozo quote.

    Trump belittles his opponents but does not use trickery to knock them off-ballot; he does not use violence, NOR does he encourage it (no matter the lies and slanders about Charlotte from the “press”) and he hasn’t spied on anyone, press, Democrat, or DeepState seditionist.

    So clearly:  you WILL vote for Trump.

  79. dad29

    Tax cuts:  For the wealthy

    “Ignorant” is your middle name, LeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeRoy.  I did some tax work this year; one case was an older couple, the other was a young woman.  BOTH became Fed income-tax exempt due to Trump’s tax cuts.  NEITHER of them are remotely “wealthy”.  You are truly stupid…..

    trump making every attempt to dismantle the ACA without the great, less costly plan he promised.

    You mean the one that the Democrats in the Senate refused to pass?  THAT one?

    LeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeRoy, your Mom had such great hopes for you…..

    pathetic, childish,  and unpatriotic treatment of McCain

    John McCain became a seditionist following his well-deserved loss in his run for the Presidency.  But don’t ask me about McCain’s utter lack of character; ask his first wife.  Or

    McCain is proof that war heroes can go horribly wrong when trying to be in with the “in” crowd.  Keating/Lincoln Savings is a fine example, and one essayist had this to say about the bribery scandal:  “Those who survive will be the sociopaths who can tell a lie with the most sincere, straight face. You are especially adept at this.”

    He knew McCain well.

  80. Kevin Scheunemann


    I take that as a celebration of your authoritarianism.

    You failed.

    Awful. Just awful.

    Don’t criticize authoritarianism unless you can point to ACA as awful authoritarian policy.

  81. Kevin Scheunemann


    Then point to ANYONE, less “authoritarian” than Trump, in defanging power away from DC in my huge list.

    Put up or shut up.

    I took your challenge, least you can do is point to the better candidate….and we discuss.

    Short of that, you are practicing incivility.

  82. Le Roi du Nord


    And yet again, you make things up to boost your ego.  Awful.  Just awful

    And again I’ll ask:  Is your dishonesty a result of choice, nature, nurture, or education?  How does your bearing false witness mesh with your religious rules?

  83. Pat


    Why? No matter what I say you’ll argue the opposite.

  84. Kevin Scheunemann


    It is in the debate is where the fun is had.

    So who is your candidate?

    Don’t pretend there is a better option than Trump in a field of awful Democrat central control freaks.


    Then answer the question.   Did you celebrate, or bitch, when Obamacare authoritarian penalty was removed during Trump administration?

  85. Pat


    I already said I haven’t decided on a candidate yet. I’m keeping an open mind to what all of the choices will be.

  86. Kevin Scheunemann


    So you are upset at those of us that can make a decision?

    It is impossible for you to declare Trump the “authoritarian” in the race without naming the other candidate.  If it is Crazy Stalin…I mean Bernie…your only moral duty is to vote Trump in that scenario.   Assuming you actually care about freedom, choice, liberty,and not just paying lip service.


  87. Pat


    I’m not upset at anyone who’s made a choice already. I realize that there are people who made their choice long ago, and wouldn’t change their mind. I’m not one of those. I made a choice against Trump before the last election and it hasn’t changed.

  88. Kevin Scheunemann

    Pat said

    ” I made a choice against Trump before the last election and it hasn’t changed.”

    That is your problem.  You have a closed mind, like the liberal media.   If you are indeed Liberatarian, Trump has done far more to forward liberty, especially on regulatory front than any president in our lifetime.

    With all the crazy Green New Deal cult talk on Democrat side,what are you even thinking in terms of totalitarianism when it comes to that?

    The Green New Deal alone would be a totalitarian nightmare beyond the scariest Orewellian novel.

    I am not computing even a small degree of logic on your part.

  89. Le Roi du Nord

    You already have made up your mind (“I take that as a celebration of your authoritarianism”), and nothing I say will change it.  So I’ll save my breath for a serious conversation.

  90. Kevin Scheunemann


    Your non-answer toward celebrating the repeal of ACA mandate spoke volumes.

    There is one thing we are all certain of with you, you would fail take a moral stand in a room full of con men with dementia ridden seniors.

  91. Pat


    You should be the last person who would accuse anyone for being close minded.

  92. Kevin Scheunemann


    I was one asking you for viable Trump alternative.   I am open to a better, VIABLE, alternative to Trump.

    If there is someone, point to them, and I am willing to talk about it.

    You can’t point to anyone better, which makes Trump best candidate.

    Don’t pontificate Trump being the bad candidate unless you have the goods on pointing to someone better.

    Your inability to point to someone better makes your Trump criticism as the “authoritarian” candidate dishonest.

    If you would be honest, we would not be in this debate meat grinder over your original dishonesty.   I foolishly assumed honesty on your part.   My bad.

  93. Pat


    You’re not being honest when you say, “ I was one asking you for viable Trump alternative. I am open to a better, VIABLE, alternative to Trump.” You’re not honestly looking for a viable alternative to Trump, as you have declared that your mind has been made up and are all in for Trump. I’ve witnessed you play this disingenuous game too many times.

  94. dad29

    Bloomberg:  banned 16-oz soda servings, banned baby formula (!!), wanted to ban salt-shakers at restaurants, seems to love him some stop-and-frisk–so much so that the Fed Courts made him stop–

    Another Authoritarian Democrat!!

  95. Kevin Scheunemann


    When you have NOTHING as a viable alternative…what do you expect?

    You pretended like you had an alternative at start of this conversation.  I told you why Trump is the Liberty candidate. You did little to poke a hole in my argument. Instead, you came up with 4 nebulous charges without providing any concrete examples.    1 of which is not a negative, but just good, smart politicis.

    You declined to post examples.

    I have provided all the answers, you did nothing to add to the substance of any alternate possibility to Trump.

    Let me know when you want to engage in reality of who the best, viable, candidate is to protect freedom and liberty.   There is no question: it is currently Trump.

    I was even willing to indulge your fantasy candidate on this topic, but it is clear, you don’t even have that to cling to.

  96. Pat


    You keep spelling out “viable”, many times in all caps. You must have a reason for the continued use of that word. Define what you mean by viable candidate.

  97. Kevin Scheunemann


    Someone who has a shot at wininng presidency that is less than 1 in a million.

    I put Bernie at 1 in 3 shot.

    Biden at 1 in 10,000 shot

    Warren at 1 in 100,000 shot

    Mayor Pete at 1 in 500,000

    Binder throwing Klobachar at 1 in 750,000.

    Terrorist Solemani as a Democrat write-in, or part of Democrat convention ballot, at about 1 in 900,000.

  98. Pat


    So a candidate that you deem “viable” should be the only choice American’s have for President?

  99. Kevin Scheunemann


    I’m saying, for someone that has as much hollow bitching about Trump, unless you point to a better candidate that can beat him, your bitching about replacing him is really moot.

    I am only asking you to point to the viable alternative, because maybe I am interested as well.   So far, everything is awful socialist authoritarianism on Democrat side.

  100. Pat

    Kevin said, “ I am only asking you to point to the viable alternative, because maybe I am interested as well.

    No, that is a lie. You are not interested in a “viable” alternative to Trump. You are looking to argue for the “Chosen One”. If you were honest you would have found an alternative on your own. Why do you bear false witness? Why not be honest about you motives?

  101. Mar

    Pat, do think their was a viable candidate to Obama in 2012, when Obama was running to be re-elected. Or would you have voted for him because he was a democrat and you didnt a Republican in office?

  102. dad29

    Pat is a troll Democrat, and a far-left one at that.  Don’t waste time with rational argument.

  103. Kevin Scheunemann


    Untrue. IF there was a “Pence-like” candidate, i would toss Trump in a blink.

    I was curious what you were thinking.

    I can’t drag you to put up about your opening argument. If you want to be incivil, so be it.

  104. Pat


    In 2012 I voted for Gary Johnson.

  105. Pat

    Dud screeds, “
    Pat is a troll Democrat, and a far-left one at that. Don’t waste time with rational argument.”

    Dud, waiting for you to come up with a rational argument instead of tin foil drivel.

  106. Kevin Scheunemann


    Gary Johnson was a buffoon, not ready for prime time. In a year with 2 worst candidates ever in history of U.S at time, he should have broke through. He screwed the pooch on multiple levels. He was never viable. You effectively voted for Trump.

  107. Mar

    Kevin, I think you mean President Obama.

  108. Kevin Scheunemann


    Gary Johnson was LP nominee for president in 2012 and 2016.

    I was hoping to coax Pat to tell us who he voted for in 2016.

  109. Pat


    I love how you toss out the term, “buffoon”, when the biggest buffoon in Presidential history resides in the White House.

  110. Kevin Scheunemann


    Who won?

    When you win, especially in way Trump did, you are a genius.

    Hillary was also a buffoon for not seeing the Trump strategy in WI and MI.

  111. Pat


    I don’t feel compelled to have to pick between the lesser of two evils from two parties. My vote in the last election was based on moral integrity. I wasn’t giving my vote to either morally corrupt individuals. This election will be different. Hillary isn’t running, so my choice will be much easier.

  112. Mar

    So, Pat, you are admitting you are a socialist? Thanks for pointing that out

  113. Pat


    How do you draw that conclusion?

  114. Le Roi du Nord


    You made the claim, “Trump has done far more to forward liberty”, without any measure of proof. Yet here is what trump has done:

    Repeatedly requested aid from foreign governments to get him (re)elected.

    Encouraged his followers in “lock her/him up”.

    Demanded the muzzling of the free press.

    Praised violence against reporters by his supporters.

    Repeatedly attempted to interfere with law enforcement agencies and the judicial system to reduce or eliminate penalties for illegal actions.

    Demanded that reporters be fired.

    You must have a far different definition of liberty that the rest of the English speaking world.


  115. Kevin Scheunemann

    Repeatedly requested aid from foreign governments to get him (re)elected.
    You mean like every other president in history of U.S.!
    Encouraged his followers in “lock her/him up”.

    Hillary was a criminal and we should lock her up.   Liberty includes keeping corrupt,criminal elements separated from good society.  People seemto die in Hillary’s sphere…mysteriously.
    Demanded the muzzling of the free press.
    When?   Missed this one.
    Praised violence against reporters by his supporters.
    when?  Again it must be your horrible butchering something out of context.
    Repeatedly attempted to interfere with law enforcement agencies and the judicial system to reduce or eliminate penalties for illegal actions.
    You mean,like every other president in history of U.S?   Obama used his pardon power 20 times more than Trump has ever doen to help his friends.   clinton pardoned some real disgusting criminals.
    Demanded that reporters be fired.
    Cry me a river.   How weak and ridiculous are you?   Free speech to demand pathetic,disgusting liberal bias reproters be fired.   In fact,it is patriotic to demand disgustingly biased, anti-American, reporters be fired.

    None of this is a dire threat to liberty like your human rights debasing communist, leftist,  ideology.

  116. Kevin Scheunemann


    Are you saying the Democrats are more supporting of freedom and liberty than Trump?

    Do tell.

    If  over bearing “authoritarianism” is your only criteria, allthe Democrats should scare the living hell out of you.

  117. Le Roi du Nord

    I don’t recall any president in my lifetime, and I am a generation older than you, ever requesting help from russia or china to get (re)-elected.  Show proof otherwise.

    If HRC is a criminal why hasn’t the trump DoJ prosecuted her?  Let’s hear some excuses.

    Evidence and proof of every one of the issues I presented is easily searchable on-line.  You use own initiative and look them up.

    Freedom of the press, and an independent judiciary are essential to our continued freedom.  Otherwise we would be yet another tin-pot  authoritarian regime that you and trump desire.

  118. Pat


    I’m saying Trump is a morally corrupt disgusting individual undeserving of my vote.
    That’s my opinion. It probably isn’t yours. You’re going to vote for Trump, and I have no problem with that. It’s your right.

  119. Kevin Scheunemann


    Refresh me, when did Trump request help from russia or china for re-election?

    Russia is supporting Bernie.

    China loves Bernie to because they practice his ideology.

    Please present facts for a change.


  120. Kevin Scheunemann


    Is Bernie a morally disgusting individual undeserving of your vote?

    At least Trump advocates we keep money we earn.  Bernie wants to take it.

    That is far more disgusting.



  121. Le Roi du Nord


    Being lazy won’t make you smarter.  It isn’t a good plan for success. It took me less than a minute to look up numerous accounts, quotes, etc. .

  122. Pat


    I want someone who hasn’t been charged by 25 women of sexual misconduct, ran a fraudulent university, had to pay off a porn star, cheated on every wife, had 5 children from three different women, went bankrupt multiple times, bragged about being able to assault women, and the list could go on and on.

  123. Kevin Scheunemann


    Lazyness is telling others to look up facts that don’t exist for your argument.

  124. Kevin Scheunemann


    Bernie has had a child out of wedlock, forced mom to be on welfare while he was a deadbeat hippie dad, mishandled sexual assault and harassment charges in his campaign, praised criminal Marxist killers, got kicked out of a commie commune for being lazy.

    What is your point? Bernie is just as big of a sinner. At least Trump does not advocate taxing the crap out of our money.

  125. Pat


    If I was you, I would vote Trump.

  126. Kevin Scheunemann


    I will, but I want to hear who your better candidate is, so we can discuss that candidate.

    It is clear you did not want a discussion, just complain with no solutions.

    Awful. Just awful.

  127. Pat


    Anybody but Trump.

  128. Kevin Scheunemann


    You will have to renounce everything that makes you Libertarian to vote for that crusty, human rights, abusing communist.

    Are you doing that?

  129. Pat


    I don’t know what you’re talking about. Who is abusing human rights?? Specific examples, not hypothetical abstract straw man, hyperbolic examples.

  130. Kevin Scheunemann


    Name a leftist, Marxist country that hasn’t abused human rights?

  131. Pat


    You were calling out a specific individual when you said, “ that crusty, human rights, abusing communist.” I’m running a wild assumption you were referencing Sanders. I was wondering what examples you had of Bernie Sanders abusing human rights.

  132. Le Roi du Nord


    I looked them up.  It’s easy.  But it is contrary to your ideology.  Awful. Just awful.

  133. Kevin Scheunemann


    If you looked them up, bolster your weak argument then by posting here vs. Eluding to facts that probably don’t exist.

    You are the one being awful in this conversation with your disgusting arrogance…making others search for your marginal arguments.


    His praise of Castro, Ortega, USSR, Venezuela, and other human rights,abusers.

    You praise human rights abusers, that makes,you part of the thug Marxist problem.

  134. dad29

    If I was you, I would vote Trump.

    And if I were your English Grammar teacher, I’d commit hara-kiri

  135. Pat


    Trump’s praise for evil Kim Jong Un:

    “He wrote me beautiful letters and we fell in love”

    “Again, the relationship is very good. He likes me. I like him. Some people say, ‘Oh, you shouldn’t like him.’ I said, ‘Why shouldn’t I like him?'”

    “I like him. We get along great. We’ll see what happens.”

    “[Kim] goes in, he takes over, and he’s the boss. It’s incredible. He wiped out the uncle. He wiped out this one, that one. I mean, this guy doesn’t play games.”

  136. Kevin Scheunemann


    Those were stupid comments.

    But you have to admit, tensions have de-escalated since we stopped looking weak with Kim.

    Liberals were bitching up a storm when Trump was escalating rhetoric by talking about his button being bigger. Now liberals bitch when he makes irrelevant, stupid comments…many of which are not literal.

    Trump foreign policy has been very good overall compared to Obama despite this misstep in softening evil. Liberals love to soften evil a little likeable, so I don’t get the liberal complaint here.

  137. Pat


    You said, “that crusty, human rights, abusing communist.”

    What human rights abuses has Sanders committed?

  138. Pat


    He did.

  139. Le Roi du Nord


    As I said before, you will never learn anything new if you continue to stay lazy.

    If I post one, what will you do for me?  Renounce all your 6000 year-old earth BS?  Accept evolution as the truth?  Admit you have been wrong all along about CC/GW? Admitting your errors is a start at gaining knowledge.

  140. Pat

    Trump on Otto Warmbier’s death in Korea, “[Kim] tells me he didn’t know about it, and I will take him at his word.”

  141. Pat

    It used to be we thought that people who went around correcting other people’s grammar were just plain annoying. Now there’s evidence they are actually ill, suffering from a type of obsessive-compulsive disorder/oppositional defiant disorder (OCD/ODD). Researchers are calling it Grammatical Pedantry Syndrome, or GPS.

  142. Kevin Scheunemann


    I don’t buy your lying claim. If you have a case it is up to you to provide thr evidence.


    Trump was wrong to say that as well. I am willing to criticize my presidential pick. Where you are too much of a coward to be transparent about your choice.

    Obama said a lot of stupid stuff as well, especially on Iran deal.

    Trump makes stupid comments, we all know that, but his actions as president have been incredibly good.

  143. Pat


    I haven’t made a choice yet. I’ve eliminated 1 candidate so far. Trump. Perhaps Sanders has made some stupid comments also.

    What human rights violations has Sanders committed?

  144. Kevin Scheunemann


    Sanders has been making stupid comments for 5 decades and he is unrepentant about it. I would stipulate defending Marxist human rights abuse for 5 decades is a sign of chronic brain damage.

    Trump was largely a Democrat for 3 decades and liberals were fine with that until last 5 years.

  145. Pat


    What human rights violations has Sanders committed?

  146. Pat


    Trump is unrepentant about his recent stupid comments in praise of Marxist thugs.

    Remember, you said, “ You praise human rights abusers, that makes,you part of the thug Marxist problem.”

  147. Le Roi du Nord


    I’m not eluding anything, nor am I being disgusting, nor did I lie.  As a good capitalist I asked to be compensated for providing you with a product, information in this case, which you are incapable of obtaining on your own.

    So, pay up, or shut up.

  148. Kevin Scheunemann


    And I criticize Trump for his stupid comments about Maxist thugs.

    Bernie Bros defend it all.

    Will you denounce Bernie’s awful Marxist thug supporting comments?

    Nord will not.

  149. Le Roi du Nord


    That is a lie.  Awful. Just awful.

  150. Pat


    I hate it when Sanders says stupid things. I know he probably hates saying those things as much as Trump does.

    By the way, what human rights violations has Sanders committed? Or was that a lie?

  151. dad29

    Well Patsy, if anyone should know about ODD, it’s you.  Who else would have an obsession about minor grammatical corrections so significant that they researched U of I for the shrinkology behind it?

    I believe you when you say your grammar teacher offed him/herself.  The more you post, the more I believe it, too.

  152. Pat


    More OCD?

    What a snowflake.

  153. Kevin Scheunemann


    Great. Will you denounce the awful Marxist thug leader praise Bernie has heaped over the years.

    If not, it is not a lie.

  154. Pat

    Bill Weld, Republican candidate for President, doesn’t praise Marxist thugs, like his opponent does. He’d be a good choice for a conservative.

  155. Jason

    >It used to be we thought that people who went around correcting other people’s grammar were just plain annoying. Now there’s evidence they are actually ill, suffering from a type of obsessive-compulsive disorder/oppositional defiant disorder (OCD/ODD). Researchers are calling it Grammatical Pedantry Syndrome, or GPS

    That’s part of what was used to diagnose LeRoy as being on the Spectrum.  No one who posts here regularly is faster or more condescending towards other’s spelling and grammar, than He.

  156. Kevin Scheunemann


    Weld has no chance.

    Trupm is a lock for nomination.

    “Viable” is what we should discuss.

  157. Pat

    He might be more viable if Trump would debate him and give voters a choice. I don’t understand why Trump is afraid to debate.

  158. Jason

    K, dad, do I need to remind you that Pat supports Pro-Choice.  They don’t know what “Viable” means.

  159. Merlin

    C’mon, Jason!

    Viable, like the entire lefty language of convenience, means whatever they want it to mean at any given moment.

  160. Kevin Scheunemann

    Good one, Jason.


    Trump could get schooled and spanked by Weld in a debate and Trump will easily get nomination.

    Trump has had all kinds of success, despite entire liberal media establishment trying to assassinate his presidency constantly. Weld has little argument to undo a wildly successful sitting president beyond the fact liberals hate him…which is a plus.

  161. Pat


    There are conservatives that hate Trump also.

  162. Kevin Scheunemann


    And they would be dumb to vote for anyone other than Trump given how anti-America, communist, and treasonous the Democrat candidates are.

  163. Pat


    I know a lot of conservatives who hate Trump will sit the election out and not vote for anyone.

  164. dad29

    Bill Weld’s brand of “R” died at the RNC which nominated Trump.

    Thank God for large favors.  No more East-Coast snootberries.  Bush family goes back to well-deserved obscurity.  Paul Ryan, a relic like Bob Dole, will move East because he really can’t stand the hoi polloi in Wisconsin.

    Now Patsy, I found something for your male hypogonadism.  There’s a study being run in Chicago.  Paid!!   Not likely that it will help you, but maybe it will work on someone like Weld, or Walsh.

  165. Kevin Scheunemann


    Trump won without them.

    Many in that group have come around, since I was nearly in that group myself in 2016.

    Trump has been surprising…if you have an open mind.

    We’ve established you probably don’t and you cling to the Lyndon Larouches and Harold Stassens of the world.

  166. Le Roi du Nord


    As you well know, I only play grammar police when perp is one of the usual cast of characters that routinely calls others “uneducated”, “stupid”, “dumb”, “thug”, “moron”, etc.  Look in the mirror if you are unsure whom I am referring to….

  167. Kevin Scheunemann


    Still did not see your denouncement of Bernie’s endless praise of thug Marxist leaders….

    Stop saying my statement about you is a lie when you refuse to denounce Bernie celebrating these leftist human rights abusers openly.

  168. Pat


    You claimed that Sanders violated human rights. You said, “that crusty, human rights, abusing communist.” What human rights has Sanders violated?

  169. Kevin Scheunemann


    When you back, praise, and legitimize Marxist human rights evil, rather than denouncing, criticizing, and destroying Marxist human rights evil, you are a Marxist human rights abuser.

    Nord and Bernie refuse to do the latter in any clear, credible manner.

  170. Pat


    Trump heaps praise on human rights abusing Marxist thugs with absolutely no apologies. That makes him a human rights abuser too.

  171. Kevin Scheunemann


    And I openly say Trump is wrong and awful on that!

    Will you and Nord say that about Bernie?

    Trump does it to rachet down tension.

    Bernie does it because he is a true believer in the human rights abusing system.

    It is easier to forgive Trump’s motivation, however incorrect they are, than Bernie’s true Marxist unrepentance.

  172. Pat

    Kevin asked, “ Will you and Nord say that about Bernie?”

    I did.

    Trump praises Dictators of all kinds with no remorse what so ever. He’s more than willing to side with them over his own intelligence officials. And you forgive him.

    Awful. Just extraordinarily awful.

  173. Kevin Scheunemann


    I’ll bite, where did you denounce Bernie’s communism as human rights abusing?

    Up until 2 responses ago, you doubted Bernie’s advocacy of human rights abuse!

    Humor me, say it clearly and openly in next response: “Bernie is an awful communist, praising human rights abusers”.

  174. Pat


    I said the following, “ I hate it when Sanders says stupid things.”

  175. Kevin Scheunemann


    Is Sanders “wrong and awful” on his decades long praises of Marxist human rights abusers via his defense of a sick ideology?

    I said Trump was “wrong and awful” for defending Kim.

    You see, I have no bias in denouncing evil Marxist ideology and its perpetual sick defenders.

  176. Pat


    Sanders is wrong and awful for saying stupid things in the past, just like Trump is wrong and awful for lavishing praise directly to Marxist thugs and evil dictators while President of the United States, without any remorse.

  177. Kevin Scheunemann


    Very good.   thanks for being honest.  Now if we can get Nord to say it.

    Now this is what we know.  Sanders is unrepentant when it comes to human rights abusive Marxist governance.  He loves it. He embraces it. He continues to praise it.

    With Trump. He hates evil Marxism.  Anything stupid he says to praise a Marxist thug seems to be a one time thing, he does not embrace the abusive ideology.

    So we have to make that moral distrinction here.

  178. Pat


    I see no moral distinction.

  179. Kevin Scheunemann


    So a president that believes in Capitalism and freedom vs. a challenger who believes in communism and oppression has no “moral difference”?


    Did you mean that with a straight face?

    Your position is horribly immoral if you fail to make that distinction.


  180. Kevin Scheunemann


    You have just lit anything that makes you Libertarian on fire.


  181. Pat


    I find Trump more morally corrupt than Sanders.

  182. Kevin Scheunemann


    Then you are not Libertarian.


  183. Pat


    And your not a Christian.
    So aI guess that makes us even.

  184. Le Roi du Nord


    I have not heard Bernie praise any communists.  Could you provide a recent quote, and in context?  Not from 1976.

  185. Kevin Scheunemann


    I made an eloquent case that based on Trump record on tax cuts, regulatory cuts, trade deals, etc. ,he is very Libertarian.

    Bernie has no where near a Libertarian record on those issues.   It is not even a debate.  If a Libertarian is going to support the awful communist authoritarian, can he even be a Libertarian? Just asking when you stopped being Libertarian.

    I’ll bite.  What did I do to make me “not Christian”?    If I was more Christian in public than I am currently, I might need to send Nord some soothing music.  He gets a little excited discussing biblical issues….I try to be gentle.


  186. Le Roi du Nord


    Ignorant, not so much.  Wondering why you would send me a link that doesn’t work, not surprised.

    Asking for a friend:  How is trump going to defend the market dropping like a stone?

    If you are sending music, make my some early Thorogood and John Lee Hooker.

  187. Kevin Scheunemann


    Link works for me. Even on other devices.

    Is this more head in sand on subject? How can you listen to Bernie and not hear him praise thug Marxists? Your blinders are on tight.

  188. Le Roi du Nord

    No k, my head is above ground.   But the link doesn’t work on this end.  Try again.

  189. Pat


    For once and for all. I do not have a candidate that I am currently supporting. I have not ruled anyone out with the exception of Trump. Come time for the general election I will once again vote my conscience. The last election you held your nose and voted for Trump. I will, hold my nose and vote for anyone but Trump.

    You may consider yourself a Christian but supporting a morally corrupt individual like Trump, your online behavior demonstrate to me, you are not very Christian. If I gave you examples you would deny/rationalize away your behavior, so I won’t waste my breadth.

  190. Le Roi du Nord


    And you are mixed up on the senses; blinders wouldn’t affect my hearing…


    Exactly.  Regardless of proof we submit to k, he will deny/rationalize/excuse any and all bad behavior by trump.


  191. MjM

    Nort plays a mean pinball:  “I have not heard Bernie praise any communists. ”

    Well,  numbnutz,  is six days ago “recent” enough for you?

    When Fidel Castro came into office, you know what he did? He had a massive literacy program. Is that a bad thing?” –  Sanders, CBS 60 Minutes, 2/23/20

    Is five days “recent” enough for you?

    There were a lot of folks in Cuba at that point who were illiterate. He formed the literacy brigade.” –  Sanders, CNN town hall, 2/24/20

    Gotta love that “came into office” line, eh?  Almost as if Castro was democratically voted in by the all dee po’ masses.

    But not only is Commie Hunchback Bernie praising a comrade Fidel here,  he’s also out-right lying about the so-called “literacy program”.

    But he isn’t finished, numbnutz.   You get a twofer….

    China is an authoritarian country, becoming more and more authoritarian.  But can anyone deny, the facts are clear, that they have taken more people out of extreme poverty than any country in history?” –  Sanders, CNN town hall, 2/24/20,

    (A repeat of what he said in an Aug 2019 interview:

    China is a country that is moving unfortunately in a more authoritarian way in a number of directions.  But what we have to say about China,  in fairness to China and it’s leadership,  is,  if I’m not mistaken,  they have made more progress in addressing extreme poverty than any country in the history of civilization.”)

    Such a supple wrist you got there, numbnutz.


  192. Pat

    And Kevin, just because you wear sandals, it doesn’t make you Jesus.

  193. Kevin Scheunemann


    I am just shocked you have nor ruled out Bernie, given his well documented anti-Libertarian history.

    We elect a president, not a religious leader. Trump is a sinner like every president before him. We all vote for sinners. Trump at least is openly nice to Christians. The left hates Christians, openly and wants Christians in a box.

    Chritianity is not a political test. Libertarianism IS a political test. So you mix apples and oranges.

  194. Le Roi du Nord


    I guess the phrase “in context” puzzles you as much as k.  So it is no surprise that you missed the quote from Sanders, “I have been extremely consistent and critical of all authoritarian regimes all over the world including Cuba, including Nicaragua, including Saudi Arabia, including China, including Russia. I happen to believe in Democracy, not authoritarianism.”

    Or the part where the World Bank says the the literacy rate in Cuba is 99.8%.

    Carry on.

  195. Le Roi du Nord

    Now that is a 180 degree flippity-flop:

    “Chritianity is not a political test”.

  196. Pat


    I have voted Libertarian many times but consider myself an independent. I have not been a member of the Libertarian Party so I won’t have to worry about getting kicked out. How bout you?

    I’m not looking for a religious leader for President. I’m looking for a President that can represent to the world a moral leader that represents the best of the United States. Trump misses that criteria on every level for me.

    Like I said, I have to vote my conscience, and if it comes down to the lesser of two evils, I will be voting for anyone but Trump.

  197. Kevin Scheunemann


    Quote me where I said Christianity is a political test?

  198. Kevin Scheunemann


    So “independent”, meaning you have no core political convictions?

  199. Pat


    No, I don’t have core political convictions. I have core moral convictions which guide me in my life.

  200. Kevin Scheunemann


    I see the issue now. You have morality without purpose. That tends to make you the worst kind of authoritarian.

  201. Pat



  202. dad29

    How is trump going to defend the market dropping like a stone?

    He explained it.  People saw the (D) debate and calculated that if one of those clowns were elected, they’d be better off in cash.  So they sold.

    But a few hundred points disappeared due to some damn WuFlu, or KungFlu.  Whatever.

  203. dad29

    Very simple, Patsy.  The object of morality (right action) is life, temporal and eternal.  Since every single Democrat is violently and bloody-hands opposed to life, you are a lying hypocrite.

    You’re no Libertarian; you’re a liberal, plain.  We all know that, so man up.

  204. Pat

    Dud continues his delusional rantings as a conspiratorial pin head.

  205. Le Roi du Nord


    You have stated repeatedly (I’ll paraphrase here) that you feel it is necessary for our political leaders to be aligned with your religious beliefs.  A purity test if you will.  So have you changed your mind?  Forgotten?  Or don’t you care if a Hindu, or Muslim, atheist, etc. were elected to a position of leadership?

  206. MjM

    Nort tries to hide: “I guess the phrase “in context” puzzles…”

    The context, numbnutz, was your head-in-yer-ass claim not to have heard Commie Hunchback Bernie praise commie leaders. I gave you four direct quotes, three not even a week old, the fourth six months.

    Deflect all you want, your ignorance is glaring, but surprising.

    FWIW, though you will no doubt plug your ears and stamp your feet, Bernie adores commie leaders. Otherwise, he would not have hosted Daniel Ortega (“ impressive guy”j in Burlington for a commie Sandinista rally while he was mayor, would not have accepted Ortega’s invitation to come and celebrate the anniversary of the commie takeover of Nicaragua later the same year, or praised Castro will Chris Mathews-like leg-chilling glee.

    Oh yes. That was a few years ago. I’m sure he’s changed his (absent) mind.

    And as far as the World Bank is concerned, I’ll just repost what you seemed to have missed previously….

    Sanders’ claim that Castro taught Cuba to read is typical communist propaganda.

    When Castro somehow magically “came to power”, as Bernie so lovingly stated on 60 Minutes, Cuba already had the fifth highest literacy rate of all the Latin countries, bested only by Costa Rica, Argentina, Chili, and Puerto Rico.

    Cuba’s 79% literacy rate in 1959 grew 12 points over the next 20 years. Meanwhile, Columbia gained 15 points, Brazil 15, Mexico added 12, and Peru added 22 points.

    Quick! Plug your ears, numbnutz!

  207. Kevin Scheunemann


    Quote would be nice.

    I have constantly said “we elect a president, not a religious leader” when it comes to office of president.

    I prefer candidates that practice Christian values in their personal life, but in the end, we usually have to chose between 2 awful sinners.

  208. Pat

    Kevin says, “ but in the end, we usually have to chose between 2 awful sinners.”


  209. Kevin Scheunemann


    That does not mean Gary Johnson is not an awful sinner. He is just an awful sinner with no chance of wining.

  210. Pat


    In the last election, polls indicated Trump had no chance of winning. In fact, in the end, he lost the popular vote by 3 million, with the majority of Americans rejecting him. Yet, he’s POTUS.

  211. Kevin Scheunemann


    He always had a chance. Many, including me, did not think it was a likely chance.

    In the end, he had the most brilliant election strategy by capturing WI and MI…states Hillary did not bother getting her feet wet.

  212. Pat


    Well, Gary Johnson isn’t running for President in 2020, so we can definitely say he is not a viable candidate.

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