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1356, 13 Sep 19

“Hell yes we’re going to take your [insert scary-looking gun here]”

He’s not going to get elected, so perhaps that is why he is willing to voice what many Democrats actually believe. Yes… yes, they want to forcibly seize your guns. Which ones? That depends on how they are feeling that day.

(CNN)Beto O’Rourke’s best moment on Thursday’s Democratic presidential debate — which also doubled as his best moment in the 2020 campaign to date — came when ABC’s David Muir asked whether he supported a mandatory buyback of assault weapons.

Hell, yes, we’re going to take your AR-15, your AK-47,” O’Rourke said to raucous applause from the crowd in Houston, Texas. “We’re not going to allow it to be used against our fellow Americans anymore.” 

The former Texas congressman defended that stance in an interview on CNN’s “New Day” Friday, insisting the issue would not hurt his party.

“It’s not a concern of mine and that’s in part informed by listening to people in conservative parts of America,” he said. “And folks are saying, ‘Look, I would give up that AR-15 or that AK-47. I don’t need it to hunt, don’t need it to defend myself in my home.’ They recognize this is a weapon designed for war, to kill people as effectively, as efficiently, and in a great a number as possible.”

1356, 13 September 2019


  1. Kevin Scheunemann

    This is all liberals do…take, take, take.

    They covet taking our guns, beef, plastic straws, carbonated beverages, gasoline, etc, etc.

    Liberals are just bullies about everything.

    It’s awful. Very awful.

    On the upside, they are guaranteeing a Trump reelection with all their gross coveting.

  2. Le Roi du Nord


    There you go again, playing your victim card.  Attaboy!

  3. Kevin Scheunemann


    Appreciate the compliment.

    Liberalism is about perpetuating all victimhood…conservatives might as well get in on the victimhood.


  4. Le Roi du Nord

    A twofer, now the old, “the others guys do it” defense.  You are on a roll !

  5. Kevin Scheunemann


    ….or liberals should stop victimizing others with their hurtful agenda.

  6. steveegg

    Which ones?  All of them.

  7. Le Roi du Nord

    Yup, clean air and safe drinking water are certainly “hurtful”.

  8. dad29

    Yup.  And the “progressives” won’t stop until everything is perfect.

    Whatever “perfect” means–which they will define.

    LeeeeeeeeeeeeeRoy is either too dense to figure out that grift, or he’s a beneficiary of same.

  9. Kevin Scheunemann


    If “clean air” and “safe drinking water” were actually a liberal agenda, they would stop wasting resources on private jets for nonsense religion meeting on “climate change” and stop mandating regs making clean, safe drinking water unaffordable!

    So don’t give me that crap that liberals believe in either of those things, especially in Flint Michigan or just about every other liberal controlled urban area!

    Stop vicitimizing!

  10. jjf

    If taking care of poor, the refugee, the sick, and the imprisoned was truly part of the Christian agenda, what perk should I be able to declare that they should give up – and if they don’t, I can question the sincerity of the entirety of their beliefs?

    I hereby declare that Christians can not buy Dilly Bars and low-fat ice-cream-like products at DQ until the poor are fed!  All of them!  All the Christians, all the Dilly Bars, all the poor!

    Personally I don’t think a B&S thread is over until some conservative claims they’re being forced to their knees and the phrase “jammed down our throats” is uttered.

    Until the world is perfect, says Dad29.  Couldn’t that be applied to every proposed change to the law?  Such lame easy criticism.  I heard the other day that Sen. Jacque is again pressing for his no-sex-with-horses bill.

    Or as @tomtomorrow put it:

    assault weapon owners: we are very responsible and law abiding, you have nothing to worry about.

    also: if police try to take our guns we will shoot them.

    So if both houses turn Dem and we get a Dem president, and the Dems decide to expand and stack the Supreme Court, and new laws and decisions say it’s OK to buy back your AR, are you going to turn them over?

  11. Kevin Scheunemann


    Yes, Yes, anything to take the focus off the take, take, take, super covetous liberal attitude on everything….

  12. Owen

    Clean water is great. Using the violent power of the federal government to violate private property rights under the guise of protecting clean water is not.

  13. Kevin Scheunemann


    Name 1 instance where taking away private property rights of a landowner made something cleaner….this is a good repeal.

    The Obama era rule TOOK land from people without compensation!   Didn’t you just get done bitching about government taking land for Foxconn for MORE than fair market value?

    Why does Obama get to take, without compensation, huge tracts of land in all 50 states, in this reg?

    Hypocrite, thy name is Nord.

  14. jjf

    Whining “private property rights” doesn’t address these complex questions.  There’s often a border between private and public property.  Do you have a right to pollute?  Should that farm down the road be able to spread liquid manure until it turns your well water brown?

    But Kevin, tell me why your logic about private jets doesn’t apply to the guidelines of your New Testament.

  15. Le Roi du Nord


    One situation/example out of thousands. Filling wetlands reduces the ability of a watershed to filter, recharge, and store both surface and groundwater.  That is HS general science. Anytime you want to have an open discussion about the merits of protecting surface and ground water and wetlands, just let me know.

    And if you can rationalize foxxcon and protecting water quality you are forgetting how you screwed up your public versus private argument


    And what “violent power” would that be?

  16. Kevin Scheunemann


    For sake of argument, let’s say “filling wetlands” is an issue, government can render the property worthless without compensation?

    You were the one that bitched Foxconn took property for more than fair market value….here you are OK with regulatory taking for no value?


  17. jjf

    Le Roi, part of the lexicon is that whenever the government enforces anything, it’s ultimately done at the point of a gun.  If you don’t comply, eventually they’ll come to get you, right?

    They don’t use that phrasing when it’s a law they like.

    Here, I’ll try it:  “I don’t like the violent power of the government forcing me at the point of a gun to surrender tax dollars to prop up religious schools.”

  18. Le Roi du Nord


    Worthless in what way?  Not everything on earth has a dollar value.  But you wouldn’t understand that.

    And you are the one that still won’t take the time to understand the value of anything outside your myopic field of view.

    foxconn is private, remember?

    Anytime you want to debate the value of water quality let me know.

  19. Le Roi du Nord


    And perhaps you could explain your comment about Flint, MI.  Wasn’t that problem caused by Gov. Snyder, a Republican when his administration switched the water source?

  20. Kevin Scheunemann


    “not everything has a dollar value”…then why do liberals tax the property rendered worthless by their regulation?

    Do you know how insane you sound in your Marxism?

    flint, MI was caused by careless liberals running the utility locally.

    Since when does any govenor run any local water utility in terms of materials the pipe uses?  Or lack of action to take bad pipe out?

    You are reprehensible in your liberal blame.

  21. Jason

    >Here, I’ll try it: “I don’t like the violent power of the government forcing me at the point of a gun to surrender tax dollars to prop up religious schools.”

    That’s at best a grade school allegory since it’s so bad. An educated conservative would counter with “if government is going to force me to surrender tax dollars for education, it’s fair to have those go to any licensed education system, even religious ones.” But you will claim to not understand that nuance.

  22. Jason

    >Wasn’t that problem caused by Gov. Snyder.

    Boy, take that one step further, and you could say it was caused by Obama. Right?

  23. Le Roi du Nord

    “then why do liberals tax the property rendered worthless by their regulation?”

    In my county there are no “liberal” taxing authorities, nor any party affiliations.  Ditto in yours.  My county hasn’t elected a D to any partisan office in over 60 years.  How about yours?  Do you even think before you type?

    And you got Flint wrong as well.  City admin was taken over by Snyder. Look it up.

    I would pity you if you weren’t so aggressively ignorant.

  24. Le Roi du Nord



  25. Kevin Scheunemann


    Flint was taken over because the local Marxists refused to fix the problem.

    Liberal elitist jerks were the problem, not the Republican trying to fix the decades of Marxist incompetence.

  26. Le Roi du Nord


    Nope, you have that wrong as well.  Now you are embarrassing yourself.

  27. Jason


    So responsibility stops at some point that you arbitrarily determine? You are a liberal.

  28. Kevin Scheunemann


    Only one embarrassing himself is your position a regulatory rule can render someone’s private property worthless without compensation and you celebrate that.

    That is pure theft and evil.

    I pity you.

  29. Le Roi du Nord

    Don’t waste any pity on me.  I certainly don’t need any from you, as you will no doubt send a bill.


  30. Kevin Scheunemann


    Anyone that thinks government taking private property without any compensation is OK, you have to have pity on, because it is so without love, mercy, or compassion in any respect.

    So I do pity you…lost in your cesspool of violative liberalism.

  31. jjf

    Jason, do you like the First Amendment as well as the Second?

  32. Le Roi du Nord


    I know this will be contrary to your alternative history, but here is the Flint timeline:

    April 2011  Gov. Snyder (R) takes over city admin.

    April 2014  Switch is made to get water from Flint River.

    April-May 2014  Complaints about drinking water quality start.

    Feb 2015 EPA determines elevated levels of lead in water supply.

    And maybe you can rationalize how the drinking water issues in Kewaunee County, or Marinette/Peshtigo are the fault of “liberals”.

  33. Kevin Scheunemann


    Those lead lines were there decades before with no action, from Marxist Democrats.

  34. Le Roi du Nord


    The problem was the switch in source, lead wasn’t an issue with the original water source.  You can look it up..  But obtaining new knowledge is against your religion.

  35. Pat

    Relax. No one is going to be taking your guns away.

  36. Kevin Scheunemann


    That is not Beto’s position.

    Are you denouncing Beto?

  37. Pat


    I’m not denouncing anyone. Beto has a snowballs chance in hell of becoming the parties nominee. People say stupid stuff all the time. Heck, look at all the stupid crap that comes out of Trumps mouth.

  38. Kevin Scheunemann


    Beto is expressing the underlying liberal sentiment.   Failure to denounce means you support by silence.

    If you are against it, and you don’t think it will never happen, what is the problem saying it is awful and evil?  Seems like an easy moral stand.

  39. Pat


    An individual wanting to get rid of everyone’s AR weapons is unrealistic. And, I don’t know if that desire is immoral or evil. Pass a law to get rid of them and there will be untold numbers still in the hands of people. The only thing all this talk does is increase sales of AR weapons, which the manufacturers love and hope to have continued.

  40. Kevin Scheunemann


    So you will not say that Beto is dumb for that position?

    Disarming nations has allowed communist liberals kill 130 millon+ in last 100 years.

    You will not even spit out a little denouncement of Beto being on the woefully wrong side of history?

    It does not even take a lot of courage to denounce Beto as awful on this issue.



  41. dad29

    No one is going to be taking your guns away.

    Beto is an idiot.

    However, we note that the audience at the event cheered, hooted, and hollered affirmation of Beto’s position.

    So when Pat/Jiffy sends his/her cops to remove the weapons, will Pat/Jiffy be safely sitting in the Governor’s office?  Or will he/she/it knock on the doors?

  42. jjf

    They’re going to take my gun, too?

  43. Pat

    The cops are not going to come for your guns. Don’t be a chicken little idiot.

  44. Kevin Scheunemann


    Then you agree Beto is an idiot for even suggesting it…and so is the large liberal audience cheering it?

  45. Mar

    Pat, the cops already take your guns. If you are a felon, accuused and not convicted of domestic violence, if you arr accused of violating specific hunting laws and in red flag states. They’ll ake your guns if you have the wrong kind of gun, if you dont properly register the gun or if keep it in your home for protection but local laws you can’t.
    I can go on, but it’s not being chicken little to say the government won’t go after your guns

  46. Pat

    Yes, every right has some restrictions.

  47. Kevin Scheunemann


    So you agree with Beto then? After all, he is just taking “restrictions” to the natural liberal conclusion.

  48. Pat


    So you want wife beaters, felons, mentally deranged individuals, domestic terrorists to have unrestricted access to weapons?

  49. jjf

    Dad29, all the gun owners are law-abiding, so if the law changes, I’m sure all we’ll need to do is inform them of the change in the law and they’ll surrender their ARs at the nearest surrender station.

  50. Pat

    Q: Guess how many bump stocks have been turned in.

    A: 0

  51. Pat

    Q: Guess how many ARs will be turned in.

    A: 0

  52. Mike

    O’rourke’s statement is just a logical progression for Democrats. Democrats had their presidential candidate call half the country deplorable and irredeemable, signalling how we were to be treated. Democrat Gov. Dannel Malloy called the NRA (and their 5 million members) terrorists. The Democratic San Francisco supervisors officially labeled the NRA (and their members) terrorists. Democratic Rep Swalwell signaled he is willing to use the US military To control US citizens. WI Democratic Gov Tony Evers stated that gun owners 2nd amendment concerns were “BS”.

    Terrorists get put on watch lists, they get put on no-fly lists, the type of lists they are really pushing to add to people prohibited to own firearms. Terrorists also get killed. What are their plans for us once we are disarmed?

    262 million people got put on lists and exterminated in the 20th century. What are their plans for the people Democrats are trying to disarm?

    20th Century Democide:

  53. Pat

    I’ve not heard of a “plan” for disarming every citizen. How exactly is this going to happen, who is carrying out the “plan”, and what is the time frame for it to be accomplished?

  54. Kevin Scheunemann


    I did not say that, but I am disturbed by your simple failure to denounce Beto’s statements that he wans to take guns from law abiding citizens.


  55. Pat


    I’ve gave my opinion on Betos statement. I don’t think I need to say more.

  56. Kevin Scheunemann


    You said that you thinik it can’t be done, but you have not denounced him and his statement as dumb and unconstitutional.

    Can you muster a real position here?

  57. Pat


    I said his statement was stupid. I’m don’t know about the constitutionality of his proposal of eliminating ownership of ARs. Currently there are many “Arms” that citizens are not allowed to possess. Do you disagree with some “Arms” being banned?

  58. dad29

    Yup.  Trench-guns should never have been banned.

    There’s reason to discuss whether full-autos should have been banned, too, as they are light military weapons, precisely what the Founders used and wanted citizens to have.

    Come to think of it, the Founders also used artillery…..

  59. Pat

    Yup. The Founders needed those full-autos when the troops took over the airports held by the British.

  60. jjf

    And “well-regulated,” what could that possible mean?  It’s a mystery.  Who could know the Founder’s intent, and who are we to question it?  We must simply serve.  Never mind the times the Constitution has changed.

  61. dad29

    Learn how to read for meaning, Pat/Jiffy.  “Light military weapons” immediately precedes “….what the Founders used…..”

    Apparently you’re part of the 60% who are not grade-level readers.

    Jiffy, you’re off your meds again.  Stop back when you’re coherent.

  62. Pat

    Oh Dud, I fully understood your meaning. You aren’t that deep.

  63. dad29

    Good.  Now, when you get to 3rd grade, we’ll try three-phrase sentences.

  64. MjM


    Automatic weapons are not banned. You can buy pre-‘86 autos or become an FFL and SOT and make your own.

    Sure, you have to jump thru a stack of Fed/state/even local hoops five times the hight needed to purchase a Sig side arm. You’ll wait 10 months+ for Fed approval to buy, and an SOT will cost you $500 or so a year. Here in WI you’ll also need the local Top Cop to approve.

    If you have the keesh, an original Colt Thompson (1922) will set you back “only” $35k or so, or twice that if the doc says it came outta some Chi-town gangster’s hand.

    As far as artillery, you can own cannons, tanks, howitzers, if you are into that kind of stuff.

    Me? I always wanted a P-51 for some reason.

  65. Mar

    I love how the uneducated liberals here like to butch and complain about guns and yet not 1 peep about inner city violence, especially against innocent kids and adults.
    But these racist and uneducated liberals here on this site don’t give a crap about these people. Hey, it’s just a bunch black and brown innocents, who cares about them, these liberals imply.
    It would be nice these uneducated racist liberals would actually care about these innocents.

  66. Pat

    Highly Educated Professor Marbles,

    I’m not butching and complaining about guns. I have guns and CC. I’m not worried about anyone taking my guns away. Maybe it’s because I’m not a member of the NRA.

    Injecting inner city violence into the discussion is yelling squirrel.

  67. dad29

    I stand corrected, MjM.  Thanks!–but no, a Thompson is out of my league at this time.

    I always wanted a howitzer as a lawn ornament, though.  Maybe I can find one at that little place off I-94 just north of the border.

  68. dad29

    I’m not worried about anyone taking my guns away.

    Ignorance is bliss.  You have a LOT of bliss.

  69. Pat

    So Dud, I’ll ask you. What is the plan” for disarming every citizen. How exactly is this going to happen, who is carrying out the “plan”, and what is the time frame for it to be accomplished?

  70. jjf

    Pat, it’s in the same book as the plan for how they’re going to rise up and challenge the tyrannical government.  Hopefully the revolution won’t be on a Packer Sunday, though.

    I wonder if the government prohibited the armed forces from even planning how to fight back against the Armchair Army.

  71. jjf

    Come now, Pat.  Communists are our friends now, just ask the President.  He alone knows how to deal with them and cut a deal with them!  Cold War solved, just like that!  We just needed the big daddy boss deal maker!

  72. dad29

    Patsy, I have no plans to take guns from citizens.

    What’s a “CC”?  Canadian Club?  People who have carry permits use a different set of initials.

  73. Pat


  74. Mar

    jjf, you look ugly in your tin foil hat.

  75. jjf

    Sorry, Mar.  I forgot Putin.  Putin’s our friend now, too.

  76. Jason

    >How exactly is this going to happen, who is carrying out the “plan”, and what is the time frame for it to be accomplished?

    From the great Beto himself…

    >The Democratic presidential candidate told reporters he would impose a fine on AR-15 owners to “compel” them to follow the law and turn in their banned firearms. Owners who turn in the guns will then be compensated.

    So his plan is the same way to eat an elephant, one bite at a time.  And the time frame is the same, one bite at a time.  I see nothing from clownshoes Beto (or any future liberal leaders) that shows he/they would happy stopping when they forced complete removal of every “military” weapon.   If you’re standing here saying that you believe Beto would stop once all AR15’s were confiscated, you’re a naive sheep.

  77. jjf

    Jason, are you saying you’d be more impressed if Beto had a plan that seized the weapons more quickly?  Which type of weapon would he seize next?

  78. Jason

    >Which type of weapon would he seize next?

    Are you saying he will stop once he has “completed” takebacks of AR15s and AK47s?

  79. Pat

    I’m saying Beto has a snowballs chance in hell of obtaining the Democratic nomination, let alone becoming President.

  80. dad29

    Beto has a snowballs chance in hell of obtaining the Democratic nomination, let alone becoming President.

    So what?  He merely said out loud what the D-Statists have been thinking since JFK died (or before).

    Did organized crime cease when Capone went to prison?

  81. Mar

    Of course, no one is addressing the real problem, the hundreds and thousands innocents that are killed in inner cities. They’re, for the most part are bot bringing killed by ARs or other high power weapons. No one is yelling and screaming about this. This includes the liberal big city mayors, so called black activists, Blacks Lives Dont Matter and others.
    Enforce current laws? Can’t do that, that’s racist to the criminal but is racist towards the community.
    So, where is the outrage?

  82. Pat

    Highly Educated Professor Marbles,

    Your opportunity to address it is now. You have the floor.

  83. Pat

    “So what? He merely said out loud what the D-Statists have been thinking since JFK died (or before).”

    So what? We still have our guns.
    Buy stock in gun manufactures. Sales always go up when people start crying that their guns are going to be taken away. Sometimes I think that all this jibber jabber is instigated by the manufactures to increase sales.

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