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0820, 15 Jul 19

Green New Deal Is Designed to Replace Capitalism and Socialism

In case you had any doubt.

Chakrabarti had an unexpected disclosure. “The interesting thing about the Green New Deal,” he said, “is it wasn’t originally a climate thing at all.” Ricketts greeted this startling notion with an attentive poker face. “Do you guys think of it as a climate thing?” Chakrabarti continued. “Because we really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing.”

“Yeah,” said Ricketts. Then he said: “No.” Then he said: “I think it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s dual. It is both rising to the challenge that is existential around climate and it is building an economy that contains more prosperity. More sustainability in that prosperity — and more broadly shared prosperity, equitability and justice throughout.”

Chakrabarti liked the answer. “The thing I think you guys are doing that’s so incredible is … you guys are actually figuring out how to do it and make it work, the comprehensive plan where it all fits together,” he said. “I’d love to get into a situation where everyone’s trying to just outdo each other.” But Chakrabarti couldn’t help adding: “I’ll be honest, my view is I still think you guys aren’t going big enough.”

Ricketts seemed unfazed by the critique. “Well, you know, we’re not done. When it comes to a nationwide economic mobilization, there’s more to come on this front, for one. And other key components we’re going to be rolling forward speak to some of the key justice elements of this … ensuring every community’s got a part of this.”

Of course, the same could be said of much of the environmentalism movement. It has been co-opted by Marxists looking to use the environment as a cudgel to advance their ideology. It’s a shame that they squeeze out so many people who actually care about the environment and want us to use it in a responsible manner without abandoning our advanced civilization.

Also note the arrogance, and impracticality, of socialists. They actually think that a group of wonks sitting in a room designing an economy can produce better results than the cumulative effect of a trillion individual decisions. History disproves that arrogant notion.


0820, 15 July 2019


  1. Kevin Scheunemann

    What ab awful religion Marxism has become under guise of “green new deal”.

    There are a ton of suckers put there that fall for it.

    Then there are the disciples, the true believers who rail on heretics, like myself, that tout capitalism and freedom. You have to pity them.

  2. Mar

    We’ll wait for the apologies from the liberals who frequent this page in 3,2,1…..

  3. jjf

    Show me an industry that wants capitalism – true, free competition.  Show me an industry that’s begging the government for that and only that.

  4. Le Roi du Nord


    Well it certainly isn’t foxconn…  Government funding, relaxed environmental regulations, taking of private property, etc……..

    Any idea why folks anywhere on earth would promote destroying the only habitable planet we have???

  5. jjf

    What’s that you say, Le Roi?  Foxconn isn’t capitalism?  The WisGOP put its thumb on the scale, picked winners and losers, and used public dollars to fund the Foxconn plant?  Grabbed private property at the point of a gun like some g-d socialacommie?

  6. Pat


  7. jjf

    But you know, a long-time government employee / elected official who never really worked much in the private sector, he’s got the smarts to sketch out a multi-billion dollar deal on a cocktail napkin!  He doesn’t even need a group of wonks to design that factory and all its subsidies!

  8. Le Roi du Nord


  9. jjf

    But let’s expand…  name any beloved Wisconsin industry, let’s explore how it is interconnected with government and subsidy and tax breaks and all the other interferences that might set it apart from the one true free market.

    Those Marxists, they’re everywhere, and so powerful!

  10. Mar

    Gee, jjf and Let Roi, nice try to deflect but it is exposed once again that climate change is not about the climate but changing our way of life, towards socialism.
    Really, are you two that stupid? Or just suckers?

  11. Le Roi du Nord


    It is to some degree, but it is mainly about being responsible for the health and well being  of future generations, wise-use of resources, and personal responsibility.

  12. jjf

    Mar, I’m frightened enough that there’s so many people who look at what we have, don’t realize just how much it isn’t the free market wet dream imagined by Owen and the rest, and yet they get so worked up when someone like AOC suggests anything just slightly different.

    Tell me how Fox News and Milwaukee talk radio would’ve reacted if Obama or Governor Evers would’ve cut the Foxconn deal.  Your reaction isn’t based on the substantive policy.  It’s based on pure politics.  The deal came from our guy?  It’s fine.  Other guy?  Awful evil violation of the free market.


  13. guinness

    Igmorance can be fixed, but stupid is forever.

  14. Merlin

    Environmentalists seem to be having a difficult time recognizing their own best interests. They need not share in the impending failures of the Green New Deal folks. Take back the cause while it still has credibility.

  15. jjf

    Come on, no one wants to bite?  Can’t think of a Wisconsin industry that’s a shining light of free market competition?

  16. Mar

    I don’t know about anyone else, but Every and the Democrats brought in Foxcon, I would have cheered.
    And no, there is no business that is pure capitalism. Government has to be involved in some way, whether it is for protection or transportation. But what does that have to do with climate change?

  17. MHMaley

    The same folks who cheerlead for life simultaneously believe that any business that can make a buck should be unfettered in affecting the air their children / grandchildren breathe , the water they drink or the food they eat without any regulation .

    Hypocrites all

  18. guinness

    Why stop with eliminating all businesses? A true environmentalist would only be happy if he were the only person on earth.

  19. Le Roi du Nord

    “A true environmentalist would only be happy if he were the only person on earth”.

    That is as ridiculous as most things k says.  And just as false.

  20. Kevin Scheunemann


    Yet you cannot name one.

  21. Le Roi du Nord

    “The earth is 6000 years old”.

    “The pope isn’t a christian”.

    “Fascists are socialists”.

    “Climate change is a religion/cult”.

    “Evolution is a religion/cult”.

    All ridiculous and false, all from you.

  22. Mar

    Maley, thank you for dumbest comment of the month or maybe the year.

  23. jjf

    Mar, tell us what’s dumb about Maley’s comment.  Do you think it’s just overbroad?  How do you view the current state of regulation on air, water, and food when it comes to businesses who put those resources at risk?  How do you assess the state of groundwater in Kewaunee County, for example, as affected by CAFOs?

  24. Mar

    jjf, it wasn’t overly broad, it was overly stupid.
    Unfettered in affecting the air…. Seriously? You think conservatives want dirty sir? Of course not but we also don’t overly broad regulations that stifle business. It’s not an all or nothing issue.

  25. Kevin Scheunemann


    You misquoted the first 2, again!

    The last 3 are self evident. You claimed I made “ridiculous” statements.

    You fail to deliver once again.

  26. jjf

    Mar, so when they press to remove local control, and move the deregulation to a state level controlled by partisan appointees and industry lobbyists, is that all or nothing?

    Again, what do you think of what’s happened in Kewaunee?  Overly regulated?

  27. Le Roi du Nord

    Nope, wrong again k?. I nailed the spirit and intend perfectly.   Why must you, when pressed, forsake your previous positions?  Weak convictions? Poor memory?

  28. Kevin Scheunemann


    You misrepresent what I said.

  29. Le Roi du Nord

    Nope, did not.

  30. Kevin Scheunemann


    I said “If the pope teaches a Gospel other than Christ crucified and rose again for our sins, he would not be Christian”.

    That is far different than what you posted.

    Stop it with the dishonesty.

    On Creation, I said the earth could be 6000-10,000 years old.   Again, you got that incorrect.

    So please be accurate.

  31. Le Roi du Nord

    Nope on both counts.  But you wouldn’t believe me even if those quotes were carved on stone tablets.

    So expound: is the earth no older than 10000 years?  Exactly 10000?  And if so, how do you know this?

  32. Kevin Scheunemann


    Than find the quote.

    I am telling you that your quote is dishonest.


  33. Le Roi du Nord

    Nope, it isn’t.

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