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0659, 24 Jan 19

Infanticide is Legalized in Mew York

Ghastly. If it will snuff out one undesired life…

On Tuesday, coincidentally the 46th anniversary of Roe v. Wade, the New York State Senate passed the Reproductive Health Act, and it was signed into law by Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo. The law, which is likely the most expansive abortion bill in the country, allows late-term abortion until the baby’s due date if it meets certain requirements. Not only is this kind of legal protection of late-term abortion an affront to the humanity of the unborn and the dignity of society, but New York celebrated it publicly, as if it had just won the Super Bowl.


Two of the most heinous parts of the bill describe the new parameters of abortion: if “the patient is within twenty-four weeks from the commencement of pregnancy” and second, and this is the worst qualifier, “or the abortion is necessary to protect the patient’s life or health.” The wording of that second phrase is so comprehensive, even in legal lingo, protecting the patient’s health could mean almost anything.

This new bill ensures that New York remains the most progressive of all the states in pushing forward “reproductive rights” (an absurd term for baby-killing). Per the CDC, about one in three unborn babies are aborted in New York City. Statistics also show more black babies are aborted than born alive in New York City.


0659, 24 January 2019


  1. Kevin Scheunemann

    Totally disgusted by the liberal evil, but not surprised. Liberals feel human life is disposable on many levels, especially in the climate change cult.

  2. jjf

    Mew York?  There are kittens around here!  I knew it!

  3. Merlin

    The liberal mind has an amazing, evolving capacity to rationalize depraved behavior. Strip away their euphemisms for murder and what they really advocate is the elimination of inconvenient life. It won’t be too much longer before they find a cute euphemism or two for extermination of the inconvenient elderly. Preferably before Granny can spend her estate down to zero.

  4. jjf

    Don’t worry, Merlin, President Pelosi won’t kill the grannies.

  5. Kevin Scheunemann


    If it was kittens, the same baby killers would be all up in arms.

    That is the truly sad part!

  6. dad29

    cute euphemism or two for extermination of the inconvenient elderly

    The old saying holds:  lies and murder are never far apart.

  7. Le Roi du Nord

    ” lies and murder are never far apart”

    Well, 45 is over 8000 since he took office.  Are you concerned?

  8. MjM

    … and Kermit Gosnell smiles.

  9. jjf

    this is the worst qualifier, “or the abortion is necessary to protect the patient’s life or health.” The wording of that second phrase is so comprehensive, even in legal lingo, protecting the patient’s health could mean almost anything.

    It’s so vague!  It could mean anything to protect the patient’s health!

    We wouldn’t want that, would we?  We’re pro-life!

  10. Kevin Scheunemann


    I see you want to do anything to justify genocidal racism.

  11. dad29

    No, Kevin.  Just mass murder, regardless of race.

    MJM:  Gosnell will file for a new trial.  NY just made what he did perfectly legal.

  12. Kevin Scheunemann

    Minorities are disproportionately aborted, so the cheering liberals are celebrating the worst kind of racism.

    I agree all human life is precious, but liberals only my understand racism as evil. Murder seems to be fine in liberal lexicon.

  13. jjf

    Careful, Kevin, if you keep up this line of thinking, you might start wondering why the poor have more abortions, and what brought them to that situation.  Don’t just stop your line of thinking when you find someone who suggests that it’s liberals who are secretly eugenic racists.

  14. Kevin Scheunemann


    So you are saying we have to, disproportionately, kill minority babies because of economics?

    Doesn’t that make you the worst kind of racist?

  15. dad29

    K, dont’ let anyone fool you.  Abortion is a convenience for MEN, not women (and certainly not the dead babies.)  Minorities are a convenient smokescreen for white men (and their victims) to keep on screwing every girl stupid enough to succumb.

    This is white man’s appropriations in Congress and the various state-houses; there is no “majority minority” representation there.  And yes, it is also racist.

  16. jjf

    No, Kevin, I’m asking you to dive deep into the literature as to what professionals who study poverty and racism think about why poor people have more abortions.

    Dad29, are you trying to say that reproductive laws are all about men trying to control women’s bodies and sexuality?

  17. Kevin Scheunemann


    You are asking me to justify racism and murder with a “deep dive into literature”?

    I have a lot more morality than the godless intellectuals who would justify their racism and baby murder with economic studies.

    It is awful that you would even make such a suggestion.

  18. jjf

    I don’t see anyone out there trying to justify more abortions from the poor based on racism, other than KKK-class racists who think that’s funny.  Your implication is that Democrats are secret racists and that’s why they don’t care about poors or blacks having more abortions.

    I’m asking you to dig deep and figure out what the poor face, and why that might lead to more abortions, or for that matter, why blacks get segregated and why this affects their economic position.

    There’s plenty of poor white folk.  They have abortions, too.  Or rich people have abortions, too.  How does your racism theory explain that?

  19. Kevin Scheunemann


    Democrats are not “secret racists”, they are “open racists”!

    They seek to sort you by skin color, carnal choices, and gender, not quality of ideas or content of character.

    All abortion is an abomination.    I am just pointing out 1/3 of all abortions are African American, when they are only 11% of population at large.   why do democrats support policies to disproportionately execute innocent minority babies?

    Don’t tell me to do research for your baby murder advocacy.    I find your position utterly reprehensible and it is arrogant to think I would lift one finger to help you in your racism.

    You should examine your life and be less pro-baby murdering…and less racist.

  20. dad29

    Democrats are not “secret racists”, they are “open racists”!

    BINGO!  Democrats maintain The Plantation, just like they did in the Old South.


    JJF:  your question is incomprehensible, not that I’m surprised.

  21. jjf

    I didn’t say anything about advocating for abortion.  I asked you to study why poor people get more abortions, or for that matter, why more blacks are poor.  Democrats tend to support choice in general, not specifically because of this statistic.  That’s where your logic is off the rails because you want to tar Dems.

  22. Le Roi du Nord


    “They seek to sort you by skin color, carnal choices, and gender, not quality of ideas or content of character”.

    Well that statement goes against all your previous claims.  Flippity-floppity.

  23. Kevin Scheunemann

    Oh Nord,

    What statements?

  24. Le Roi du Nord


    You have spent countless hours expounding on evil of the carnal choices of others, and why your ideas were better than those of others with differing opinions.   Ditto on gender.

    One this is clear; you are consistently inconsistent when it suits you to be so.

    Carry on !

  25. Kevin Scheunemann


    How did we take focus off the baby killing and make it about me simply because I oppose the murderous liberal agenda?

    As usual no quote or statements to back up your accusations.

  26. Kevin Scheunemann


    Anyone that advocates killing babies should be tar’d, ridiculed, shamed and denounced as pure, vile, evil.

    Simple as that.

  27. Le Roi du Nord


    You were the one that brought up those topics.  See above if you already forgot.  Not my problem if you can’t stay on topic.

  28. Kevin Scheunemann


    That would be a lie.

    I was talking about the racism of those that support baby murder, and you were the one that made it about me again!

  29. Le Roi du Nord

    “They seek to sort you by skin color, carnal choices, and gender, not quality of ideas or content of character”.

    Those are your words, right?

  30. Kevin Scheunemann


    Yes, I was talking about the bigotry and racism of the left.

    I abhor judging people by their skin color, and intersectional victim identities.

    People should be judged by content of character, actions, and quality of ideas.

  31. Le Roi du Nord

    So how do you wish to be judged?  For your 6000 YO earth claim?  Or your denial of CC/GW?  Your support of 45?

  32. Kevin Scheunemann


    I have no problem with you judging me by my advocacy of Creationism.   however, I will correct your heathen narrative about it everytime.

    I deny that humans can have God-like influence over the climate/weather.   I do not buy the arrogance of Neo-Marxists to seize an unprecedented amount of resources in an insane religious beleif humanity can control climate/weather.

    Yes, I support trump on a lot of things!   I criticize him on some things.   He has been a way better policy president than I could have imagined in terms of conservative agenda.   could he be better? sure.   However, he has gotten a wild amount of things done and beat back the evil of liberalsim like no one in our lifetime.

    No problem with you judging me on any of these.    I may correct your skewed narrative, but I am openly transparent about all 3 of these things.

  33. Le Roi du Nord

    Well, you are 0 for 3, both in the facts and public opinion.

    So how will the poor folks in low lying coastal areas around the world fare with rising sea levels caused by CC/GW?  Your psuedo-concern for the poor becomes problematic in that light.

  34. Kevin Scheunemann


    Why would you care about any of those 3 things if you are unwilling to denounce the racist, systematic killing of all the pre-born babies under the liberal lexicon.

    If we genocide the entire human race with liberal abortion policy, evolution cult, global warming cabal, and who is president is really irrelevant, isn’t it?

    Denounce pre-born baby killing first and I will be willing to veer off-topic on this thread.

  35. Le Roi du Nord


    You should be concerned as well, your kids and grand kids and their descendants will all be adversely affected by your denial of reality.  I care about the future health and well being ofmy successors, you apparently don’t..

  36. Le Roi du Nord

    “of my”

  37. Kevin Scheunemann


    My kids and grandkids will know that Jesus is in control.

    They will be thought man does not control climate no matter how monstrous the Marxist warming cult becomes.

    They will be thought God blesses us with innovation and technology to adapt to any changing earth resource condition.

    They will be thought to lift humanity up in grace of Jesus, not tear it down through a godless, Marxist superstate oppressing populations under insanity man controls the climate.

    They will be thought to evangelize lost souls, such as yourself, toward the grace of Christ and away from your cold, empty, godless ways.

    And most of all they will never be aborted, ever!

    Any questions?

  38. Le Roi du Nord

    Hopefully your kids and grand kids will get a public school education and not be subjected to the indoctrination of falsehoods that ol’ dad and grampa was.

    ” man controls the climate”  Now you are really getting out of control.  Nobody ever said that.  But I’m sure you will come up with yet another bogus claim, spew some nonsense, and blame it all on science and liberals.  Carry on.

  39. Kevin Scheunemann


    Why would I do that?

    It is one of the highest duties to train your children in the faith, what you suggest is insulting.

    “I am afraid the schools will prove the very gates of Hell, unless they labor diligently in explaining the Holy Scriptures, and engraving them in the heart of the youth.”—-Martin Luther

    I should risk my kids to join you on the godless path with you?

    I’ll pass.

    Keep your godless liberal secular humanism to yourself.

  40. Kevin Scheunemann


    “If I sent someone to resolve your minor climate change concerns, Will you support aborting them?”. —God

    This thread is about supporting baby murder, not your climate change cult.

    Focus, will you denounce racist baby murder? Or not?

  41. Le Roi du Nord

    “I deny that humans can have God-like influence over the climate/weather.   I do not buy the arrogance of Neo-Marxists to seize an unprecedented amount of resources in an insane religious beleif humanity can control climate/weather”.

    Your words, right?

  42. Kevin Scheunemann


    I support free market capitalist technology advancement to resolve resource scarcity and other social problems, through mutual, voluntary consent.

    I do not support a Marxist super state dictating arbitrary carbon emission cuts, counter to the efficiant allocation of resources through capitalism.   What you support is a dictatorial governance to make people do what you want to fix a problem you perceive through the oppression of the Marxist superstate. (like Paris accord)

    You see how well the carbon fuel tax in France went over, almost toppling the govenment.    Liberals believe in the climate change cult, but when it comes to paying for it, they do not put their money where their mouth is at $7/gallon gasoline in France.

    Climate change/global warming is just a political opportunity for resoundingly failed Marxism.    What frustrates me is: so many so-called intelligent peopple buy into the long failed religion, and human rights disaster of Marxism.

    Do you denounce racist baby killing or not?    I’m assuming you are a racist baby killer because no one would be afraid to admit they oppose racist baby killing.

  43. Le Roi du Nord


    Your first 4 paragraphs are unadulterated nonsense.  You could do better but I doubt you would ever put the effort into making sense.

    Final paragraph:  Your assumptions make you a fool. No questions about that.

  44. Kevin Scheunemann


    So are you denouncing racist baby killing?

    Or does your public school religion embrace racist baby killing as its first commandment?

  45. Le Roi du Nord

    I denounce narcissistic self-promoting fools.

    My public school didn’t teach religion nor racism.  But they were sticklers for honesty, knowledge, and equal rights.

  46. Kevin Scheunemann


    So you do support racist baby killing in the form of this NY extermination law?

    Awful. just awful.

    Glad you are not influencing my children.

  47. dad29

    K, here’s a helpful hint for LeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeRoy, from Deut.30:

    11 Now what I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you or beyond your reach.p 12 It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask, “Who will ascend into heavenq to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?”r 13 Nor is it beyond the sea,s so that you have to ask, “Who will cross the sea to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?”t 14 No, the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart so you may obey it.u
    15 See, I set before you today lifev and prosperity,w deathx and destruction.y 16 For I command you today to lovez the Lord your God, to walk in obedience to him, and to keep his commands, decrees and laws; then you will livea and increase, and the Lord your God will bless you in the land you are entering to possess.
    17 But if your heart turns away and you are not obedient, and if you are drawn away to bow down to other gods and worship them, 18 I declare to you this day that you will certainly be destroyed.b You will not live long in the land you are crossing the Jordan to enter and possess.
    19 This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against youc that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses.d Now choose life, so that you and your children may live 20 and that you may lovee the Lord your God, listen to his voice, and hold fast to him. For the Lord is your life,f and he will giveg you many years in the landh he swore to give to your fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

    Perhaps LeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeRoy understands allegory.  I suspect that you and I certainly do.

  48. jjf

    What’s this passage about, Dad29?

    Numbers 5:11-31 New International Version (NIV)

    The Test for an Unfaithful Wife

    11 Then the Lord said to Moses, 12 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘If a man’s wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him 13 so that another man has sexual relations with her, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act), 14 and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure—or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure— 15 then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah[a] of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour olive oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder-offering to draw attention to wrongdoing.

    16 “‘The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the Lord. 17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. 18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the Lord, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. 19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a cursenot harm you. 20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”— 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a curse[b]among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”

    “‘Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it.”

    23 “‘The priest is to write these curses on a scroll and then wash them off into the bitter water. 24 He shall make the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and this water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering will enter her. 25 The priest is to take from her hands the grain offering for jealousy, wave it before the Lord and bring it to the altar.26 The priest is then to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial[c] offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water. 27 If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse. 28 If, however, the woman has not made herself impure, but is clean, she will be cleared of guilt and will be able to have children.

    29 “‘This, then, is the law of jealousy when a woman goes astray and makes herself impure while married to her husband, 30 or when feelings of jealousy come over a man because he suspects his wife. The priest is to have her stand before the Lord and is to apply this entire law to her.31 The husband will be innocent of any wrongdoing, but the woman will bear the consequences of her sin.’”

  49. Le Roi du Nord

    Or, “lying lips are an abomination to the lord”.  psalms 12:22

    trump is nearing 8000 lies in office, k defends him zealously, and makes stuff up all the time.

  50. Kevin Scheunemann


    Old Testament civil and ceremonial law no longer applies to believers under Christ’s grace. We are released from the requirements of the Law.

    The Law, and punishment for breaking it still applies to unbelievers.

  51. Kevin Scheunemann


    Psalm 12 only has 8 verses.

    Verse 22 must be from “book of Nord”.

    Which Trump lie do you claim I defend “zealously”?

    Accurate, in context quote.

    You have failed this test at least 10 times before, why do you mak malicious allegations? They make you more foolish when you cannot even produce one, accurate quote.

    You still have not apologized for misrepresenting my position on Roman Catholics.

    An apology would be nice.

  52. Le Roi du Nord

    All of them.

    At least 10, you say.  List them.

    I represented your quote accurately and truthfully.  And you can’t and won’t prove otherwise.

  53. Kevin Scheunemann

    Anytime you claimed I said something and then I ask for an “accurate, in context, quote”.

    Right Above, in this very thread, would be first example of your lies.

    Let’s deal with that one first.

    Then we can move to your misrepresenting my Roman Catholic position.

    Then we can move to next one from there.

  54. jjf

    Kevin, I didn’t ask if Numbers still applied to you.  I asked what you think that passage is about.
    And Deuteronomy is OT, so it only applies when and where you want it to?

  55. Kevin Scheunemann


    That passage is about Old Testament civil and ceremonial law.

  56. Le Roi du Nord


    You are correct, that should be Proverbs 12:22.  The source I quoted got it wrong and I didn’t check first.

    None the less, perhaps you should heed the lesson learned here; check out the veracity of a claim rather than shoot from the hip and aim later.  See, I learned something.  Hopefully you will as well

    But in your book, lying is still an abomination.  You should refrain from further deception.

  57. Kevin Scheunemann


    This is full passage, in case you do not own a bible (or I need to send you one).

    “The Lord detests lying lips,    but he delights in people who are trustworthy.”

    When you claim I “lie” about Creation/Genesis/Fall into Sin/The need for Jesus as my redeeemer from sin, I stand in good company.

    When you do that Nord, I am reminded of another passage directly from Jesus:

    John 15:18-19

    18 “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. 19 If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you.”

    It is with that understanding why you ridicule and hate me for proclaiming young earth Creationism.   You have proclaimed you are part of the world, apart from Christ.

    So if your claimed “lie” is proclaiming the truth of Christ, you would be misusing Proverbs 12:22

    (glad you finally got the biblical reference right.)

  58. jjf

    Kevin, what do you think those priests were doing to those potentially pregnant women?  You’re being obtuse.  Law?  You think that passage is about the law?  The law about what?

  59. Le Roi du Nord

    “The Lord detests lying lips,    but he delights in people who are trustworthy.”

    If that is truly the case, both you and 45 are on the list naughty list.

  60. Kevin Scheunemann


    It was the civil and ceremonial law of Israel.

    Grace has fulfill the Law, so we are no longer subject to it.

    Those without grace are subject to the Law…and judgement.

    Would you like to come to a bible study on the subject.

  61. Kevin Scheunemann


    There is a commandment against bearing false witness.

    I ask you again, specifically, what lie?

    I am open to specific correction under Matthew 18, but you have to have some substance to your charge.

    If this is about calling you “buttercup”, I did apologize for that.

  62. Le Roi du Nord


    I know, and if you believe in it  you are in trouble.

    It isn’t about a single, specific lie (there are many and varied, and I won’t expend much time or energy to cite them), it is about your body of work and the attitude that you exhibit where you feel can say anything you want, be it hyperbole or an outright lie, and then expect that no one will question you.

    I don’t care about the buttercup comment or your faux apology. I have been called worse, and by much better folks than you could ever aspire to ever become.


  63. Kevin Scheunemann


    Just to be clear, you can’t point to any specific lie, but you still claim I lie?

    Do you know what that is called?

    False witness. Slander. Deceit.

    I will graciously accept your apology anytime, when you are done slandering.

    Are these baseless attacks because you could not denounce racist baby killing, and I called you out for your moral weakness?

    Aren’t you compounding one moral weakness with another because you are embarrassed by your position?

    There is always a chance to change.

    Openly denounce racist baby killing. You can do it.

  64. Le Roi du Nord

    You really need to look up the definition of slander.  But since you are the smartest person in the world, it matters not to mere mortals such as I.

    I’ll ask you this; When have I ever said I was in favor of, or a proponent of, “racist baby killing” ?  Use the actual quote, and in context.  Betcha can’t.

  65. Kevin Scheunemann


    Great. Prove me wrong.

    Are you against this New York law killing babies?

    Will you denounce the cheering Democrats as racist baby killers?

    I would love to be wrong about your unclear moral weakness here!

  66. Le Roi du Nord

    OK, here is the same type of foolish, self-serving, and leading question you are attempting; ” did you stop beating your wife?”.  Go ahead, answer it, smart guy…..

    You are wrong about soooo many things…..  Embrace it.

  67. Kevin Scheunemann


    Asking if you are against this New York law killing babies is the equivalent of asking “when you stopped beating your wife?”

    Is any political debate ever permitted in your workd?

    Besides you always do the “wife beating” question to me by claiming “I lie” but can never, ever point to anything specific, so you have not moral high ground to even reject the question even if I did ask you when you stopped beating your wife.

    All I asked is:” are you against this racist NY baby killing law?”

    It’s an easy question.

    I may take my “buttercup” apology back if you see any remote moral moral equivalency in those 2 questions.

  68. Kevin Scheunemann


    So you will NOT denounce the racist NY baby killers cheering upon signing this racist baby killing bill?

  69. Kevin Scheunemann

    Bumping….because Nord’s “cricket pile” is getting large on this one.

  70. Kevin Scheunemann


    Don’t give any moral lectures to others if you can’t choke out this simple statement on this topic:

    “I denounce the racist baby killing and baby infanticide cheered and advocated by evil liberal Democrats.”

    You can’t do that at a minimum, you are not qualified to give any moral lectures/sermons on anything in the future.

  71. jjf

    Again, Kev, I understand what you’re saying about OT civil law.  Again, what do you think the bitter waters were all about?

    And do you feel the same way about infant mortality rates…  you know, deaths among the actually born?  That poor folks have more deaths, does that concern you, and how do you think we should address that?  Or is it more of the tricky scheming of the all-powerful yet simultaneously weak and evil Dems getting their way, trying to kill off the black folk who vote for them?

  72. Le Roi du Nord


    I will never, ever allow an incurious, willfully ignorant, self-promoting, hypocritical  fool like you to put words in my mouth.  And if you think you can goad and bully any rational thinking person into doing so you are an even bigger fool.

  73. Kevin Scheunemann


    So you will not even work up your own statement against infanticide?


  74. Kevin Scheunemann


    Hard for me to address that because I do not see evil conspiracy you see in your leftist fever swamp.

    We can keep infant mortality rates down by:

    Keeping people off drugs

    Keep people off alcohol

    Getting rid of idiotic Marxist states like Venezuela.

    Ban racist Democrat abortion.

    That will do more for infant mortality rate than anything you sugest, but you cannot even work up a weak statement to oppose killing babies.

  75. jjf

    Can’t find the courage to talk about the bitter waters, hmm?

    I’m pro-choice, sorry, won’t dance when you want me to.

  76. Kevin Scheunemann


    It is difficult to talk about your mis-interpretation of Scripture without unintentionately insulting you.

    I tried to be gentle, not avoiding.

  77. Kevin Scheunemann


    However, I will not be gentle about your awful racist baby killing infanticide you support by sugarcoating it as “prochoice”.

    Stop being racist, it is just bad.

  78. jjf

    Oh, I think every woman should have autonomy.  Not one race over another.

    So you don’t think that passage is talking about abortion?

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