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0621, 06 Apr 16

Voter ID Success in Wisconsin

It must be noted that in the first major election since Voter ID was implemented, Wisconsin had record turnout at the polls. There were very few issues with Voter ID despite well over a million people squeezing into the voting booths. Huzzah for Voter ID and for all of Wisconsin’s election officials’ smooth implementation of it.


0621, 06 April 2016


  1. Jason

    Where I voted, the workers didn’t even look at my ID. They took it, set it down, then asked for my name and address. When that was done they handed my ID back. Didn’t check to see if the name matched, didn’t look at the photo, didn’t even look at if it was valid.

  2. Mark Maley

    The answer to a Non existent problem

    This is voter exclusion practiced by the party of Lincoln

  3. Northern Pike

    If you define success as making voting more difficult for Democratic-leaning urban residents who don’t get driver’s licenses as a matter of course, then yes, the strict photo ID requirement was a success.

    But don’t take my word for it. Take Glenn Grothman’s.

  4. Mark Maley

    Ah yes . Glen Grothman
    Today he committed what Michal Kinsley coined “a gaffe”
    That is a politician accidentally told the truth
    That is , that the new voter ID laws would help Republicans

  5. foo

    Quit whining Maley. If there was a breathalyzer tied to your ballot, you might whine about voter suppression.

    Otherwise, shut your fat drunk Mick ass up.

  6. Mark Maley

    New name
    Same coward behind it

  7. Kay

    Yes, the law worked as intended. The number of voters was large do to the contested nature of the primaries. Voter ID is designed to work at the margins. Do not just take Grothmann’s word for it. Someone who was in the room when the bill was created described the atmosphere as “Giddy”

  8. Jason

    “If you define success as making voting more difficult for Democratic-leaning urban residents who don’t get driver’s licenses as a matter of course, then yes, the strict photo ID requirement was a success.”

    It’s still harder to buy over the counter cough medicine than it is to vote. Boo hoo.

  9. Kay

    Given Grothmann’s gaff and former a Senate staffer remarks about the giddiness the Senate GOP was showing when creating the voter ID legislation, can we give up the pretense about that law being about voter fraud?

  10. Kevin Scheunemann

    Grothman did not commit “a gaffe”.

    He was talking about liberal cheating being eliminated.

    It also inspires people to vote because they feel like their vote will not be stolen anymore, given turnout.

    I cheered at what Grothnan said.

    I ‘m surprised liberals went ape over this compared to what Grothman said night of recall victory with charles Benson @ about 11PM. I think all liberals went to bed because liberals were defeated utterly 45 minutes after polls closed. I thought there would be liberal hemorage over that.

    Never can tell what will get delicate liberal flowers upset these days.

  11. old baldy


    It is amusing to watch how you try to make a silk purse out of a sows ear, even when the ear is still attached to the sow. Your interpretation of what Grothman said reaches a new high (or is it really a low?) in terms of creativeness.

    PS: Nobody else agrees with your take on what GG said. You can look it up.

  12. Kevin Scheunemann


    Grothman does. See channel 4 news report from also night.

    He said exact same thing.

    The Old baldy book of made up stuff again…

  13. Pat

    MADISON (WKOW) — Growing up in California, Mikey Vega said he never cared about voting.

    “When I came to Madison, that’s when I started paying more attention to politics,” said Vega, who works as a barista at 5th Element Coffee near the UW campus.

    So a few days before Tuesday’s primary, Vega went to the Wisconsin Department of Motor Vehicles to get a state-issued photo ID so he could vote.

    Vega thought his California driver’s license would be all he would need to show in order to pick up a new Wisconsin ID.

    He thought wrong.

    “I needed a birth certificate, or like a passport and I didn’t have it,” said Vega, who also knew he couldn’t get either in time for Tuesday’s election.

    “I didn’t even know that you had to have a birth certificate now in order to get a simple Wisconsin ID or a driver’s license,” said Todd Allbaugh, Vega’s boss and co-owner of 5th Element Coffee.

    And Allbaugh knows a thing or two about Wisconsin’s Voter ID law.

    “Because I was in the room when this particular piece of legislation was conceived and born, and it was really the impetus of me deciding to leave the Republican Party at the time,” said Allbaugh, who was chief of staff for former Sen. Dale Schultz (R-Richland Center).

    After hearing Vega wouldn’t be allowed to vote, Allbaugh took to Facebook to express his frustrations over the Voter ID law.

    He wrote that in the GOP Senate caucus where the law was first debated, some senators were “giddy” about the prospects of making it harder for minorities and college students to vote.

    “There is no doubt in my mind whatsoever what the intent of that bill was and it was voter suppression,” Allbaugh told 27 News.

    Allbaugh wrote his post before hearing that another former Republican senator had thrown fuel on the voter suppression theory fire Tuesday night.

    Congressman Glenn Grothman (R-WI-6), was a backer of the Voter ID reforms in the State Senate, and told a Milwaukee TV station that a GOP presidential candidate would have a good chance to win in Wisconsin this year, because he believes Hillary Clinton is weak “and now we have Photo ID and I think Photo ID is gonna make a little bit of a difference as well,” said Congressman Grothman.

    Democratic Party of Wisconsin Chair Martha Laning said there is no way to misinterpret that statement.

    “He might as well have said Republicans are working to rig elections in order to win,” Laning told reporters in a press call Wednesday.

    “Some bills – when they’re conceived – you don’t know how they’re going to work in practicality. This bill worked exactly the way it was intended,” said Allbaugh.

  14. Kevin Scheunemann


    College student? Really? Has UW lowered its standards?

    Assuming he came for spring semester. He’s been here 3 months! (8 months if Fall Sememster) Waiting until last minuite is never a good idea on anything.

    All he had to do is get Family member to mail his birth certificate to him.

    Many states do not even have same day registration.

    Many states require registration 30, 60, 90 days in advance.

    If he can’t do same day photo ID, he will be lost in other states.


    The news reporters were too stupid to investigate this.

    At least in WI he had the ability to still register by getting his family to mail his birth certificate.

    In California, his timing would have been completely out!

    Still does not refute what Grothman has said.

  15. Kevin Scheunemann


    Also, this story is a lie.

    He could have gotten a Non REAL ID WI drivers license by surrendering his current California license, and show proof of address on campus.

    He would not have been able to obtain a Federal REAL ID WI drivers license based on standards Obama has put in place on this without birth certificate.

    Don’t believe the liberal media lies.

  16. Pat

    What about what Allbaugh witnessed.

  17. Kevin Scheunemann


    Liberal fever swamp.

    After all the lies I exposed in this story with minimal research, (imagine what I could do to the liberal lies of this story if I spent actual time dubunking the lies) you hang your hat on liberal hearsay?

    Grothman denied that exact accusation/notion in channel 4 report last night.

    Grothman is a straight shooter. He tells it like it is.

    Liberals hate that and jump on him for that.

    I believe Grothman far more than a liberal backing up easily debunked lies of this story.

    Let put it succinctly, “If Allbaugh’s BS were electricity, his posterior would be a power plant.”

  18. Pat

    Of course Grothman denied that exact accusation/notion in channel 4 report last night. Do you honestly think he would say anything to the contrary?
    I hate to say it, but you haven’t debunked anything. You’re working off how you feel versus what actually happens.

  19. Kevin Scheunemann


    Were you in the caucus?

    Why would believing the lies I identified and debunked in this story, not be a “feeling” on your part?

  20. Pat

    Allbaugh was in the caucus, and he has stated what went on.

    Were you in the caucus?

  21. Kevin Scheunemann

    He was a liberal in the causcus. (you have to be a liberal working for Schultz).

    I hardly believe accurate reporting about a conservative caucus from a liberal.

    His “reporting” is still hearsay.

    Grothman was an actual participant in caucus.

  22. Pat

    Grothman was an actual participant in caucus. And has Grothman debunked Allbaugh? Source please.

  23. Pat

    “I hardly believe accurate reporting about a conservative caucus from a liberal.”

    Is that another feeling?

  24. Kevin Scheunemann


    Just common sense.

    Don’t think anyone asked Grothman specifically about Allbaugh. You will notice liberal reporter did not ask Grothman that direct. (If he did, he did not like Grothman’s answer, and it was on cutting room floor.) I know how bias media works.

    Maybe you should consider not slurping up bias media with 3 easily documented lies in this story.

    This reporter has ZERO credibility.

    You can give him credibility, but I’m a little more discerning about bad news reporting.

  25. old baldy


    I asked before but you didn’t answer: what is a “liberal fever swamp” ? I consult all over the midwest on wetland functions, values and identification and have never seen that term used by anyone except you. So please define the term and tell me where I can get a look at one. It may be an earth shattering scientific discovery !!
    Are there threes in it?

    GG backed off his statement only after his handlers told him he stepped in it again.

    Allbaugh is no “liberal” (by whatever definition you are using today). He has been a staffer for Rs for a number of years. I doubt the current administration would allow a closet “liberal” in their causcaus (sic).

  26. Kevin Scheunemann

    Baldy said,

    “GG backed off his statement only after his handlers told him he stepped in it again.”


    If he did, I’ll be disappointed. Grothman is usually not intimidated by delicate snowflake liberals that are not mindful about voter fraud.

  27. Pat

    Kevin, I was drinking water when I read your post about using common sense and damn near shot the whole mouthful out my nose when I started laughing.

  28. Kevin Scheunemann


    I found a 4th flaw with your “rocket scientist” college student in the article above:

    He could have cast a “provisional ballot” and he had until tomorrow to get his ID squared away!

    But you keep on believing the now 4th documented lie in the article.

    How can you believe any news reporting with 4 documented lies in one story?

  29. Pat

    The article contained lies? I don’t think so. What it did contain was a story of a young man that wasn’t as smart as our legislators would have liked when it came to the requirements of voting and how to navigate through the system. He’s probably a lot smarter now. I’m sure he wasn’t the only person who wasn’t throughly educated as to how to work around the new requirements. Hopefully everyone learned from this election so they are ready for future elections.

  30. Pat

    The kid was probably going to vote for Cruz.

  31. Kevin Scheunemann


    Given these 4 items, which story neglected to mention in relation to this really dumb college student, this little gem is in there:

    “There is no doubt in my mind whatsoever what the intent of that bill was and it was voter suppression,” Allbaugh told 27 News.

    The reproter was using this college student as an example of “suppression”, when it really is just an example of the really stupid.

    All these stories of voters without ID have a few things in common:

    1.) People who wait until last minute to register or get an ID…which most states do not do.


    despite this, they are all allowed to cast “provisional ballots” to get their paperwork for ID cleared up!

    There is no voter suppresion.

    If voters cannot follow the simple rules, they do not deserve to vote.

    Our rules are less onerous, especially on same day registration, than nearly every other state in the nation!

  32. old baldy


    That was your claim, not mine. I will still take GG at his word, that Voter ID helped the Rs. Twist it however you want.

  33. Pat

    Still doesn’t make wrong Allbaugh.

  34. Kevin Scheunemann


    It would help if there was one case the reporter could find of “suppression” to back up Allbaugh’s claim.

    All cases we discussed in this thread, are either just voter stupidity, combined with procrastination bordering on illegal behavior, and even in cases where ID needs to wait for paperwork of procrastinator, voter can still cast a provisional ballot.

    So allbaugh is wrong about the effect of the law.

  35. old baldy


    Allbaugh was there, you are merely speculating from the confines of your pre-programed mind. If you can truly say that you, and only you,know what actually happened there, and the actual intent of the giggling legislatures (maybe vos was tickling them), please share with us. Otherwise you are only giving us your opinion, based on nothing more than your pathological opposition to anything contrary to your world view.

    Can you cite the statute where procrastination is illegal? Thanks

  36. Kevin Scheunemann


    In the articles we referencesd, there were at least 2 people from out of state that wairted more than 60 days to get a WI driver’s license.

    It is illegal to drive with out of state license over 60 days after establishing WI residency. 2 of the people in the stories were doing this illegally.

    So when it comes to procrastination in these stories, some of it is illegal.

  37. Pat

    That has nothing to do with what Allbaugh witnessed. Maybe you can find someone who was there to contradict him.

  38. old baldy


    You didn’t answer the question (again): where in the statutes is “procrastination” illegal? Keep looking. get back to all of us when you find something .

  39. Kevin Scheunemann


    Grothman contradicted him.


    I said “procrastination bordering on illegal”, try to keep up.

    If you have an out of state driver license and establish residency in WI, you have 60 days to get a WI drivers license. Day 61, one is driving illegally without a license, which fit some of these cases cited in these liberal articles about photo ID.

  40. old baldy


    So procrastination by itself isn’t illegal, correct? If so, describe how something that isn’t illegal can border on the illegal. If not, cite the statute. We aren’t talking about failure to get a drivers license, we are, or at least your are, talking about the act of procrastination. Sorta like you procrastinating about reading the CEA/EA.

  41. Kevin Scheunemann


    Procrastination is illegal if you move here out of state, establish residency and continue to drive over 60 days without a WI drivers license.

    I never said procrastination alone is illegal, but new WI residents continuing to drive in WI without getting a license is. Basaed on these voter ID stories, that appears to be a huge problem.

  42. old baldy


    No, failure to obtain the proper license is illegal. Big difference. Another one of the subtle nuances of life that you never took the time to understand.

  43. Kevin Scheunemann

    That’s what I said in first paragraph of my last post.

    The only difference is: I’m willing to use terminology to relay the seriousness of these people doing illegal things liberals dredge up for these anti-photo ID stories.

    Your “nuance” is to excuse it.

  44. old baldy


    No, you didn’t say that. Obviously you have no experience reading the law. Now show all of us where in the statute it says that the “act” of procrastination is illegal. And what is the penalty or bond schedule ? Or are you now invoking an interpretation from kevin’s Book of Made-Up Laws ??

  45. Kevin Scheunemann


    Where did I say “act of procrastination is illegal”?

    Try to gather facts, not fiction.

  46. old baldy


    All your words.

    “Procrastination is illegal”

    “procrastination bordering on illegal”

    “when it comes to procrastination in these stories, some of it is illegal”.

    So point out the section in WI Stats where procrastination is illegal. Thanks.

  47. Kevin Scheunemann


    I said,

    “Procrastination is illegal if you move here out of state, establish residency and continue to drive over 60 days without a WI drivers license.”

    It’s on the DMV web page.

    Try to quote me properly.

    You can do it.

  48. old baldy


    I quoted you correctly. Live with it.

    Cite the statute that says the act of procrastination is illegal. Keep looking.

  49. Kevin Scheunemann

    No you didin’t.

    I did not say that. You lopped off the second half of the statement.

    See DMV April 8 link above where people in VOTER ID stories referenced are driving in WI illegally.

  50. old baldy


    So you admit you did type those words, correct? And you have never cherry picked text to prove a point? Hypocrite.

    So you can’t or won’t cite the statute that expressly says the act of procrastination is illegal. Pretty lazy, as there is a good search function on the website.

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