This is what happens when you are “tolerant” of an Islamic religion that teaches violence.
Being tolerant of Islam, which liberals rush to do for some reason, is being intolerant of homosexuals, women, Jews, Christians, and liberals that defy Sharia law.
Europe has turned into a cesspool where civil society is starting to break down.
old baldy
on January 24, 2016 at 5:27 pm
“is being intolerant of homosexuals, women, Jews, Christians, and liberals”
The same could be said about christians during the crusades and spanish inquisition. Take out the word “Christians” and you are describing many of the hard-right evangelical religions of today.
Kevin Scheunemann
on January 24, 2016 at 5:42 pm
Crusades started to stop the barbaric advance of Islam at the time.
old baldy
on January 24, 2016 at 6:31 pm
kev:
So you advocate wholesale slaughter of those of a different religion? And the crusades weren’t only against islam. Better get your history book out.
Seeker
on January 24, 2016 at 10:11 pm
Gaslighting is abusive and trolling behavior. Please ban the above poster.
Tim Rock
on January 24, 2016 at 10:49 pm
In fact the Crusaders embarked on wanton rape and pillaging of innocents. Regarding Christianity and Islam, I don’t much care for either mythology.
Kevin Scheunemann
on January 25, 2016 at 4:22 am
Tim,
So you worry about the “wanton rape” of 1000 years ago. What about the “wanton rape” of European woman by Middle East migrants.
Anything to say against those liberal policies letting those migrants in?
No surprise that C Rock has his facts wrong on both the Crusades and the Inquisition. Also no surprise that he’s justifying crime with the logical fallacy of ‘tu quoque,’ even granting that his ‘facts’ are correct.
That’s the usual M.O. from a 13-year old.
old baldy
on January 25, 2016 at 8:40 am
dad:
T Rock is a lot closer to the truth than you or kevin..
terry
on January 25, 2016 at 3:24 pm
When you have to go back 1000 years to make an argument. You have no argument.
Kevin Scheunemann
on January 25, 2016 at 3:35 pm
Baldy,
So you have nothing to say today about the “wanton rape” of European women by Middle East migrants today?
You should be thankful for the Crusades. The Crusades saved what was left of civilized Eurpoe from the barbaric approach and expansion of Islam.
old baldy
on January 25, 2016 at 4:49 pm
kev:
No denying there has been rape by middle eastern immigrants. Wanton, maybe not. Rape occurs every day all over the planet, by all races and creeds. Those of middle eastern origin hold no monopoly.
As I said earlier, you better read up on you history. Especially the 3rd crusade.
old baldy
on January 25, 2016 at 4:50 pm
terry:
kevin has to go back 2000+ years to be relevant. You have a problem with that?
Kevin Scheunemann
on January 25, 2016 at 4:57 pm
Baldy,
Rape by migrants is on the liberals who let them in.
When have I gone back 2000 years on a current issue? You seem to be the one doing that all the time…in an effort to impugn Christians.
old baldy
on January 25, 2016 at 8:36 pm
kev:
Now you are being willfully ignorant. Your guy was born (according to you, who knows the exact day) 2000+ years ago. Don’t you remember?
Mark Maley
on January 25, 2016 at 11:03 pm
We don’t have to go back to the Crusades
To see Christians murdering and raping other Christians
Christians willfully killed each other in the 20th century . They did so in Bosnia , in Ireland and the single largest Christian Church in the world allowed the rape of children for decades in the 20th century , then hid it , then delayed payment to the aggrieved ( electing a pope who was at the center of the controversy ) and rewarding the position of Cardinal to a man (Dolan ) who moved church money around to keep it away from the rape victims .
And radical Mormans enslave and rape young girls in their firm support of Holy Father
I know you will say the Mormons don’t count but a billion Catholics will be truly surprised they aren’t really Christians
There is also no mention of intervention on behalf of African genocide and rape victims
( unless they are Christians ?)
Dad , you’ll have to back up your statement of a misinterpretation of the crusades .
The forces of Islam just happened to live / conquer a place Christian’s wanted for themselves
As for the Inquisition , I’ll leave that to Monty Python to explain fully but we have to remember
” No one expects the Spanish Inquisition “
For the moment, let’s concentrate on your the logical position which is ‘so what? other people did it, too.’ Based on that, Waupun should be shut down.
The Crusades began due to jihad; the Muslims, acting on their religious beliefs, slaughtered around 3,000 Christians during their war to conquer Jerusalem. Note well: ‘jihad’ is a religious belief, not a tactic; the Mohammedans’ creed requires Muslims to either kill or totally subjugate (jizya) non-Muslims. (And ‘jizya’–non-lethal subjugation–is only afforded to Jews and Christians. Hindus or Confucians can and should be slaughtered.)
In case you don’t understand “war,” the objective is to completely demolish the will of the enemy to persevere in its aggression. See, e.g., Cologne.
Finally, as to the allegations of wholesale rape and plunder: you will not find one jot or tittle by which any Catholic authority (Pope or actually-Catholic king) specifically instructs Crusaders to commit wholesale rape/plunder, any more than you will find such documentation of ROE from an American President or commander in any war conducted by US forces.
What happens with ‘irregulars’ or wannabees is another thing entirely.
Boiled down, there is no question that the West is now in a full-fledged culture war. Choose your side carefully.
Kevin Scheunemann
on January 26, 2016 at 10:23 am
Baldy,
I only went back because you first brought up first century issues in your comment in you latest effort to demonize Christians.
You still have not commented on whether you support keeping Midfle East sexual predator migrants out today?
old baldy
on January 26, 2016 at 1:15 pm
kev:
I haven’t demonized anyone. I don’t care what a person believes in as long as they don’t force it on anyone else by any means. But I do take issue with any religion that claims their god or belief is the one and true, and everyone elses is a false idol. That is the height of hubris. And when all is said and done you and I will both be in the same place.
As I have said before if they are in violation of US law, keep them out. But you can’t exclude them solely due to religion, ethnicity or origin.
Tim Rock
on January 26, 2016 at 2:40 pm
Hi Larry. Want to thank you. Your comment has caused me great mirth the past few days. Specifically, your response regarding my age. Oh the irony. This coming from a man who refers to our president by the name Obozo. Refers to Hillary Clinton by the name Shrillary. And, frankly, knows more vulgarities regarding gay people than the worst bigots. Hanktay Ouyay (pig Latin to match your gratuitous latin phrase).
Go ahead and get in the last word. I won’t reply.
Kevin, of course the activities of Islamic terrorists are to be condemned. However, as others have pointed out many acting in the name of Christianity have committed crimes no less heinous. Mark’s reply really said it well so I will stop there. Btw: How’s DQ doing? I used to live in Kewaskum above what was then called Jordan’s Tap. Ancient history.
Kevin Scheunemann
on January 26, 2016 at 3:30 pm
Baldy,
Can’t exclude because of religion?
Obama does all the time: (never heard a peep from you)
…. But he will include Islamic anti-woman attitudes in droves.
You are hilarious lecturing me on this. Liberal policy does this as a matter of normal practice! You lecture me about sifting out good from bad refugees?
What’s that word you like to use to explain the immorality of your position?….”hypocrite”
old baldy
on January 26, 2016 at 4:01 pm
kev:
Did you read the article or just the headline? Try it sometime. No where did it say that Obama or the US intentionally selected muslims over christians. And if they did I would be opposed to that bias.
My position is as it always was, don’t let the bad guys in,… muslim christian or martian. No hypocrisy on my part.
Kevin Scheunemann
on January 26, 2016 at 4:05 pm
Baldy,
We are supposed to believe that is “unintentional” discrimination?
So what would you do to not let the “bad guys” in? Screening? Backround checks?
Obama is opposed to that.
Kevin Scheunemann
on January 26, 2016 at 4:18 pm
Tim,
The difference is:
Islam embraces the heinous acts in it’s holy book as “jihad” and promises reward for those acts. Willful continuence of those acts is rewarded and celebrated in Islam…rarely, if ever, denounced by Islam.
Christianity denounces those heinous acts, demands repentance and reform, and willful continuence of those acts EXCLUDES you from being Christian.
The Liberal religion refuses to judge simple good and evil except when it comes to pet liberal causes of the moment. Vicious attacks on the 1st amendment are only thing really celebrated constantly these days in liberal religion. The rest of the time: no judgements against good and evil can be made, even when women are raped by Middle east migrants in Germany. So the liberal religion likes to facilitate evil.
That is the difference Tim…and it is a big difference.
old baldy
on January 26, 2016 at 6:59 pm
kev:
You believe in all sorts of strange things, let this be no different. Anyway, that is what the article says, so if you don’t believe that part, why the other?
If they can play cribbage, let them in. If they know how to play bridge, send ’em to England. Howz that?
Whatever, Tim. Don’t let the facts get in your way of tossing invectives.
Kevin Scheunemann
on January 26, 2016 at 9:05 pm
Baldy,
How does that keep the bad ones out?
old baldy
on January 26, 2016 at 9:12 pm
kev:
At least I had a plan. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn’t. Don’t know until we try. But you have never put forth a workable proposal other than “muslims bad, kevins christianity good”.
I’ll be TDY on business for a couple weeks. Behave yourself.
Kevin Scheunemann
on January 26, 2016 at 10:13 pm
Baldy,
What plan?
(I dismissed your, can they play card games as sarcastic, but if you are indicating that is your plan, that is scary anti- woman in terms of safety.)
Mark Maley
on January 26, 2016 at 10:19 pm
I’ll agree with Dad’s last sentence
And respectfully hold my position the Crusades were less about Jihad and more about the possession of holy Christian lands
Give the reason for every Crusade and we can talk more
I got no response to the idea that Christianity
Causes every bit as many problems as it solved
Seeker
on January 26, 2016 at 11:14 pm
Hope you’re working for free for Cardinal Stritch. It would be a little hypocritical to take their blood money.
John Foust
on January 27, 2016 at 8:25 am
Dad29, your recollection of the origin of the Crusades is a bit suspect.
The Caliphate had controlled Jerusalem for hundreds of years by the time of the First Crusade, which started when Byzantine Greeks asked the Pope for help in defending Constantinople from an invasion of Turks, but they developed a new goal of capturing Jerusalem. Why wouldn’t the Caliphate defend themselves?
The Christians just wanted Jerusalem for tourism purposes, right?
Mark Maley
on January 27, 2016 at 3:39 pm
I am
Thanks for asking !
Kevin Scheunemann
on January 28, 2016 at 4:46 am
John,
Islam was advancing and destroying Christians.
The Pope called for Christians to unite and stop the Islamic barbarians.
If the Crusades did not happen. Islam would have overrun every last part of civilized society.
John Foust
on January 28, 2016 at 7:51 am
In the First Crusade, the Christians killed everybody in their way, which included native Christians and Jews, and later there were even actions focused on killing Jews. Barbarians? You think Christian culture was more advanced in which areas than Islam? Science? Math?
Actually, John, the Christian culture was more advanced than that of the Muslims in every area–philosophy, theology, math, and the sciences. (Reminder: the Egyptians who invented algebra were NOT Muslims.)
And don’t bring up that old myth that ‘the Muslims invented/preserved/furthered’ Christian civilization.
They didn’t–with the possible exception of Avicenna. The math/science guys were Christians who were in Muslim captivity. They were treated relatively well–but they were not Muslims.
But you could claim that the Muslims pre-dated Heraclitus and Aristotle, who were the pre-Christian ‘christian’ philosophers, of course.
Go right ahead.
Should we take as fact your claim that ‘the Christians killed everyone in their way…’? Perhaps you can document that with a peer-reviewed cite, John?
John Foust
on January 28, 2016 at 11:07 am
Oh, *now* we’re going to require only peer-reviewed cites! That’ll change things around here.
You have a reference that claims the massacres of the siege of Jerusalem in July 1099 was *selective* in some way?
This is what happens when you are “tolerant” of an Islamic religion that teaches violence.
Being tolerant of Islam, which liberals rush to do for some reason, is being intolerant of homosexuals, women, Jews, Christians, and liberals that defy Sharia law.
Europe has turned into a cesspool where civil society is starting to break down.
“is being intolerant of homosexuals, women, Jews, Christians, and liberals”
The same could be said about christians during the crusades and spanish inquisition. Take out the word “Christians” and you are describing many of the hard-right evangelical religions of today.
Crusades started to stop the barbaric advance of Islam at the time.
kev:
So you advocate wholesale slaughter of those of a different religion? And the crusades weren’t only against islam. Better get your history book out.
Gaslighting is abusive and trolling behavior. Please ban the above poster.
In fact the Crusaders embarked on wanton rape and pillaging of innocents. Regarding Christianity and Islam, I don’t much care for either mythology.
Tim,
So you worry about the “wanton rape” of 1000 years ago. What about the “wanton rape” of European woman by Middle East migrants.
Anything to say against those liberal policies letting those migrants in?
No surprise that C Rock has his facts wrong on both the Crusades and the Inquisition. Also no surprise that he’s justifying crime with the logical fallacy of ‘tu quoque,’ even granting that his ‘facts’ are correct.
That’s the usual M.O. from a 13-year old.
dad:
T Rock is a lot closer to the truth than you or kevin..
When you have to go back 1000 years to make an argument. You have no argument.
Baldy,
So you have nothing to say today about the “wanton rape” of European women by Middle East migrants today?
You should be thankful for the Crusades. The Crusades saved what was left of civilized Eurpoe from the barbaric approach and expansion of Islam.
kev:
No denying there has been rape by middle eastern immigrants. Wanton, maybe not. Rape occurs every day all over the planet, by all races and creeds. Those of middle eastern origin hold no monopoly.
As I said earlier, you better read up on you history. Especially the 3rd crusade.
terry:
kevin has to go back 2000+ years to be relevant. You have a problem with that?
Baldy,
Rape by migrants is on the liberals who let them in.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/german-women-cologne-mass-attacks_us_568bde20e4b0b958f65cda0e
When have I gone back 2000 years on a current issue? You seem to be the one doing that all the time…in an effort to impugn Christians.
kev:
Now you are being willfully ignorant. Your guy was born (according to you, who knows the exact day) 2000+ years ago. Don’t you remember?
We don’t have to go back to the Crusades
To see Christians murdering and raping other Christians
Christians willfully killed each other in the 20th century . They did so in Bosnia , in Ireland and the single largest Christian Church in the world allowed the rape of children for decades in the 20th century , then hid it , then delayed payment to the aggrieved ( electing a pope who was at the center of the controversy ) and rewarding the position of Cardinal to a man (Dolan ) who moved church money around to keep it away from the rape victims .
And radical Mormans enslave and rape young girls in their firm support of Holy Father
I know you will say the Mormons don’t count but a billion Catholics will be truly surprised they aren’t really Christians
There is also no mention of intervention on behalf of African genocide and rape victims
( unless they are Christians ?)
Dad , you’ll have to back up your statement of a misinterpretation of the crusades .
The forces of Islam just happened to live / conquer a place Christian’s wanted for themselves
As for the Inquisition , I’ll leave that to Monty Python to explain fully but we have to remember
” No one expects the Spanish Inquisition “
Mark:
Spot on. Keep up the good work.
For the moment, let’s concentrate on your the logical position which is ‘so what? other people did it, too.’ Based on that, Waupun should be shut down.
The Crusades began due to jihad; the Muslims, acting on their religious beliefs, slaughtered around 3,000 Christians during their war to conquer Jerusalem. Note well: ‘jihad’ is a religious belief, not a tactic; the Mohammedans’ creed requires Muslims to either kill or totally subjugate (jizya) non-Muslims. (And ‘jizya’–non-lethal subjugation–is only afforded to Jews and Christians. Hindus or Confucians can and should be slaughtered.)
In case you don’t understand “war,” the objective is to completely demolish the will of the enemy to persevere in its aggression. See, e.g., Cologne.
Finally, as to the allegations of wholesale rape and plunder: you will not find one jot or tittle by which any Catholic authority (Pope or actually-Catholic king) specifically instructs Crusaders to commit wholesale rape/plunder, any more than you will find such documentation of ROE from an American President or commander in any war conducted by US forces.
What happens with ‘irregulars’ or wannabees is another thing entirely.
Boiled down, there is no question that the West is now in a full-fledged culture war. Choose your side carefully.
Baldy,
I only went back because you first brought up first century issues in your comment in you latest effort to demonize Christians.
You still have not commented on whether you support keeping Midfle East sexual predator migrants out today?
kev:
I haven’t demonized anyone. I don’t care what a person believes in as long as they don’t force it on anyone else by any means. But I do take issue with any religion that claims their god or belief is the one and true, and everyone elses is a false idol. That is the height of hubris. And when all is said and done you and I will both be in the same place.
As I have said before if they are in violation of US law, keep them out. But you can’t exclude them solely due to religion, ethnicity or origin.
Hi Larry. Want to thank you. Your comment has caused me great mirth the past few days. Specifically, your response regarding my age. Oh the irony. This coming from a man who refers to our president by the name Obozo. Refers to Hillary Clinton by the name Shrillary. And, frankly, knows more vulgarities regarding gay people than the worst bigots. Hanktay Ouyay (pig Latin to match your gratuitous latin phrase).
Go ahead and get in the last word. I won’t reply.
Kevin, of course the activities of Islamic terrorists are to be condemned. However, as others have pointed out many acting in the name of Christianity have committed crimes no less heinous. Mark’s reply really said it well so I will stop there. Btw: How’s DQ doing? I used to live in Kewaskum above what was then called Jordan’s Tap. Ancient history.
Baldy,
Can’t exclude because of religion?
Obama does all the time: (never heard a peep from you)
http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/17/us-unintentionally-discriminates-against-christian/
…. But he will include Islamic anti-woman attitudes in droves.
You are hilarious lecturing me on this. Liberal policy does this as a matter of normal practice! You lecture me about sifting out good from bad refugees?
What’s that word you like to use to explain the immorality of your position?….”hypocrite”
kev:
Did you read the article or just the headline? Try it sometime. No where did it say that Obama or the US intentionally selected muslims over christians. And if they did I would be opposed to that bias.
My position is as it always was, don’t let the bad guys in,… muslim christian or martian. No hypocrisy on my part.
Baldy,
We are supposed to believe that is “unintentional” discrimination?
So what would you do to not let the “bad guys” in? Screening? Backround checks?
Obama is opposed to that.
Tim,
The difference is:
Islam embraces the heinous acts in it’s holy book as “jihad” and promises reward for those acts. Willful continuence of those acts is rewarded and celebrated in Islam…rarely, if ever, denounced by Islam.
Christianity denounces those heinous acts, demands repentance and reform, and willful continuence of those acts EXCLUDES you from being Christian.
The Liberal religion refuses to judge simple good and evil except when it comes to pet liberal causes of the moment. Vicious attacks on the 1st amendment are only thing really celebrated constantly these days in liberal religion. The rest of the time: no judgements against good and evil can be made, even when women are raped by Middle east migrants in Germany. So the liberal religion likes to facilitate evil.
That is the difference Tim…and it is a big difference.
kev:
You believe in all sorts of strange things, let this be no different. Anyway, that is what the article says, so if you don’t believe that part, why the other?
If they can play cribbage, let them in. If they know how to play bridge, send ’em to England. Howz that?
Whatever, Tim. Don’t let the facts get in your way of tossing invectives.
Baldy,
How does that keep the bad ones out?
kev:
At least I had a plan. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn’t. Don’t know until we try. But you have never put forth a workable proposal other than “muslims bad, kevins christianity good”.
I’ll be TDY on business for a couple weeks. Behave yourself.
Baldy,
What plan?
(I dismissed your, can they play card games as sarcastic, but if you are indicating that is your plan, that is scary anti- woman in terms of safety.)
I’ll agree with Dad’s last sentence
And respectfully hold my position the Crusades were less about Jihad and more about the possession of holy Christian lands
Give the reason for every Crusade and we can talk more
I got no response to the idea that Christianity
Causes every bit as many problems as it solved
Hope you’re working for free for Cardinal Stritch. It would be a little hypocritical to take their blood money.
Dad29, your recollection of the origin of the Crusades is a bit suspect.
The Caliphate had controlled Jerusalem for hundreds of years by the time of the First Crusade, which started when Byzantine Greeks asked the Pope for help in defending Constantinople from an invasion of Turks, but they developed a new goal of capturing Jerusalem. Why wouldn’t the Caliphate defend themselves?
The Christians just wanted Jerusalem for tourism purposes, right?
I am
Thanks for asking !
John,
Islam was advancing and destroying Christians.
The Pope called for Christians to unite and stop the Islamic barbarians.
If the Crusades did not happen. Islam would have overrun every last part of civilized society.
In the First Crusade, the Christians killed everybody in their way, which included native Christians and Jews, and later there were even actions focused on killing Jews. Barbarians? You think Christian culture was more advanced in which areas than Islam? Science? Math?
Actually, John, the Christian culture was more advanced than that of the Muslims in every area–philosophy, theology, math, and the sciences. (Reminder: the Egyptians who invented algebra were NOT Muslims.)
And don’t bring up that old myth that ‘the Muslims invented/preserved/furthered’ Christian civilization.
They didn’t–with the possible exception of Avicenna. The math/science guys were Christians who were in Muslim captivity. They were treated relatively well–but they were not Muslims.
But you could claim that the Muslims pre-dated Heraclitus and Aristotle, who were the pre-Christian ‘christian’ philosophers, of course.
Go right ahead.
Should we take as fact your claim that ‘the Christians killed everyone in their way…’? Perhaps you can document that with a peer-reviewed cite, John?
Oh, *now* we’re going to require only peer-reviewed cites! That’ll change things around here.
You have a reference that claims the massacres of the siege of Jerusalem in July 1099 was *selective* in some way?