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1924, 14 Aug 22

Biden’s Legacy in Afghanistan

He didn’t just torpedo our country.

“The Taliban have closed the high schools,” she remarks, matter-of-fact, about something that has enormous consequences for young ambitious teenagers like her.

Most secondary schools are shut, on orders of the Taliban’s top ultra-conservative clerics, even though many Afghans, including Taliban members, have called for them to re-open


1924, 14 August 2022


  1. dad29

    Given what we know about “education” in US high schools, we should study the Taliban’s move favorably for implementation here.

    (That should start the engines of the Usual Suspects.)

  2. penquin

    The top official from the previous admin is on record as stating that the process of bringing the troops home started under Trump, and that Biden wanted to keep the troop in Afghanistan but could not stop the withdrawal from happening.

  3. MjM

    BirdBrain lies: and that Biden wanted to keep the troop in Afghanistan but could not stop the withdrawal from happening

    Of course, that’s not what he said.

    The “process” was the Doha Agreement, which gave the US the authority to keep forces in-country until the Taliban curtailed it’s violence, cut ties to and co-operation with other terrorist organizations (see: Ayman Al Zawahiri ), and to complete negotiations with the like-wise untrustworthy Afghan government. The Taliban failed at all three.

    On March 16, 2021, the Biden State department attempted to go around the Doha agreement, calling in the useless UN to “convene Foreign Ministers and envoys from Russia, China, Pakistan, Iran, India, and the United States to discuss a unified approach to supporting peace in Afghanistan”, and asking Turkey, of all places, ‘to host a senior-level meeting of both sides in the coming weeks to finalize a peace agreement.”

    That worked so well that almost exactly one month later Biden announced the full withdrawal, to begin two weeks later on the Doha deadline of May 1, irregardless of the failure of the Taliban to comply with the Doha agreement.

    And following your footsteps, he lied about it….

    The choice I had to make, as your president, was either to follow through on that agreement or be prepared to go back to fighting the Taliban in the middle of the spring fighting season,” – Babblin’ Joe, Aug 16, 2021

  4. penquin

    that’s not what he said

    You really should have clicked on the link before replying…especially when replying with childish name-calling….’cause the video clearly shows that is what he said.

  5. MjM

    Yes, of course. As the words Trump spoke are even available to read in your link, it’s easy for all to see how you stuffed your words into his mouth.

    But maybe I missed it.

    Put yer glasses on, BirdBrain, fire up the hearing-aids and tell us where the word “withdrawal” is hiding in your posted link (or anywhere in the Ohio speech video and transcript, for that matter).

    While yer at it, please identify the exact words in which Trump – not you – claimed, “Biden wanted to keep the troop [sic] in Afghanistan

  6. penquin

    Given your constant name calling, it’s obvious you don’t want to have a reasonable discussion, but before telling you to fuck off I’ll point out that the process being discussed is the troop withdrawal.

    With that said, fuck off troll.

  7. Mar

    Using Twitter as a source? Seriously?
    Why not use The View as a source. Alex Jones as a source. A unicorn as a source.

  8. MjM

    BirdBrain whines like AOC: you don’t want to have a reasonable discussion

    Indeed, tough to have a reasonable discussion with someone who starts the discussion with lies.

    Point out. Point in. Point in any direction you wish, Flap to your heart’s content. Like your nom de plume it won’t fly.

    Troop withdrawal was the stated reward for the Taliban’s successful completion of the process. And when they failed, Babdlin’ joe did what he does best; just walks away and leaves others to clean up his shit.

    Didja find “withdrawal” in yer link yet? What’s taking so long?

  9. penquin

    “all[sic] the troops[sic] are coming[sic] home[sic]” sure sounds like a withdrawal to me. The former president’s other statements also makes it clear he is trying to take the credit for that troop withdrawal from Afghanistan.

    Should also be noted that Trump flat-out stated that Biden wanted to stop the process but couldn’t do so, yet it is now being insisted that the process was stopped by Biden. If that latter claim is actually true, then does that mean Trump was lying when he made that statement?

    Bonus content for those who actually know how to click a link:

  10. Billiam

    One wonders how many of the US citizens left behind managed to get out. I know a number of non-governmental types were getting some out but have never heard a number.

  11. MjM

    BirdBrain whimpers: ““all[sic] the troops[sic] are coming[sic] home[sic]” sure sounds like a withdrawal to me.

    Let’s see if you can comprehend….

    Cambridge process noun [ C ] us /ˈprɑː.ses/ uk /ˈprəʊ.ses/
    B2 a series of actions that you take in order to achieve a result

    Merriam-Webster process noun pro·​cess | \ ˈprä-ˌses , ˈprō-, -səs\ plural processes\ ˈprä-​ˌse-​səz, ˈprō-​ , -​sə-​ , -​ˌsēz\
    Definition of process 2 b : a series of actions or operations conducing to an end

    Britannica 1 process /ˈprɑːˌsɛs/ Brit /ˈprəʊˌsɛs/ noun
    1 : a series of actions that produce something or that lead to a particular result


    Oxford sic 1 /sik/ adverb
    adverb: sic used in brackets after a copied or quoted word that appears odd or erroneous to show that the word is quoted exactly as it stands in the original

    also makes it clear he is trying to take the credit for that troop withdrawal from Afghanistan.

    Well, duh. Why wouldn’t he? He started the process to accomplish it. Your (and other’s) attempt at laying Biden’s fucking it up at Trump’s feet is the actual [sic].

    yet it is now being insisted that the process was stopped by Biden

    By whom?

    Bonus content for those who smooch leftist Tweet Geek butts for their (false) authoritative-expertise-on-everything:

    In Chicago, which is the single most dangerous city, large scale, has the strongest gun laws in the country, they even say the strongest gun laws in the world. And yet people are being shot by the thousands every year, worse than Afghanistan. How about that? Worse than Afghanistan, where, by the way, I started the process. All the troops are coming back home. They couldn’t stop the process. 21 years is enough. Don’t we think? 21 years. They couldn’t stop the process. They wanted to, but it was very tough to stop the process when other things…yeah. Thank you. Thank you. It’s a shame. 21 years, by a government that wouldn’t last. The only way they last is if we’re there. What are we going to say? We’ll stay for another 21 years, then we’ll stay for another 50. The whole thing is ridiculous. So we’re bringing our troops back home from Iraq. We’re bringing troops home from Afghanistan. We brought them back home from Syria.” – DJT, Wellington, Ohio, June 26, 2021

    (p.s. Being Randy Flags’ parrot is not a good look.)

  12. penquin


    At August 15, 2022 at 3:47 pm MjM complained that Biden stopped the process enacted by the former president for the troop withdrawal, yet once it was pointed out that Trump said that the process was not stopped, tho Biden wanted to, he acts as of nothing of the sort was ever even uttered by him.

    Basically, this is just another attempt by MjM to inspire a recrudescence of self-aggrandizing fatuity. Alas, if you were to strip out all the fancy words from MjM’s fatuous, evil manifestos you’d be left with a fairly simplistic, caveman-like message. Me MjM. Me big brain. Me antagonists malign, blinkered philologasters. Me no like. If MjM were to say such things to you, one hortative idea is to remind him that above all else, we must shine a light on his efforts to trick academics into abandoning the principles of scientific inquiry. We might expect the usual suspects to object: petty sots; immoral, slovenly noddies; MjM’s underbosses, who are legion; and the pro-Pyrrhonism faculty at our more expensive universities. It would be excessively idealistic to expect any of those people to agree with me that MjM once tried to convince a bunch of us that you and I are objects for him to use then casually throw away and forget like old newsprint that’s performed its duty catching bird droppings. We should al be aware that MjM receives most of his knowledge from Antagonism for Dummies.

    To make a long story short, MjM has announced a number of meretricious, ingordigious ideas on how to run—or is that ruin?—everyone’s life. For the benefit of any doubting Thomases I will prove that point via an explanation of how MjM is a model of wanton sleaze, a perfect picture of ingratitude, a paradigm of wowserism. As such, MjM’s refrains do not represent progress. They represent insanity masquerading as progress. That’s a very important point; MjM uses highfalutin terms to conceal his plans to silence truth-tellers like me. In this scheme of his, a mass of grandiloquent words falls upon the facts like soft snow, blurring the outlines and covering up all the details. We become unable to see that for MjM’s intimates, the party line always trumps conscience.

    Sure, we could just sit back and let MjM do away with intellectual honesty, but that prospect really grates on people who have any kind of common sense. Unctuous libertines are sharply focused on an immediate goal: to jawbone aimlessly. I’ll give you an example of this, based on my own experience. As you know, MjM views his reproachers as blasphemous and morally wrong rather than factually incorrect. Consequently, debate becomes an illegitimate practice as, in MjM’s eyes, it merely provides a platform to spread untruths and dangerous ideas. To MjM, debate is not a means by which one could, for example, make the case that he is the type of person that turns up his nose at people like you and me.

    Verily, MjM is a censorious, vicious misfeasor. Consequently, attempting to respond to his musings with logic is futile. A more productive response is to observe that today we might have let MjM pit people against each other. Tomorrow, we won’t. Instead, we will offer a counter-narrative of the reality behind MjM’s lies. I hope you don’t think of that task as impossible. Through bold and concrete actions, we can move mountains! That said, it may be easier to move a mountain than to convince MjM’s malicious, vain emissaries that MjM’s ultimate goal is not to convict me without trial, jury, or reading one complete paragraph of this comment. Although that’s what he’s currently doing, such activities are merely a prelude to further, more substantive mischief. I don’t know what evil MjM is planning, but I do know that he’s a model of wanton sleaze, a perfect picture of ingratitude, a paradigm of Bonapartism. As such, MjM is not particularly articulate. He seems incapable of expressing himself except with rocks and Molotov cocktails. Perhaps he’s just into violence, but what’s notable here is the clear implication that MjM intends to foster dissent and discord. Were he to do that, I would have to say that some people think I’m exaggerating when I say that it is better to be a little old-fashioned but honest and loyal than enlightened and modern but petty and deceitful. But I’m not exaggerating; if anything, I’m understating the situation.

    Having no desire to belabor this subject, I’ll just say that I want you to know that MjM plants false evidence to incriminate his critics. Knowing, as they say, is half the battle. What remains is to warn people of the harm that fatuitous proletariats cause by pushing false and unsubstantiated charges and outright lies in order to ostracize, belittle, and punish people for holding heterodox political views. Frustratingly, MjM demonizes everyone who issues such warnings as—guess what?—fatuitous proletariats. I don’t know what to say about such name-calling except that MjM actually believes that the rigors that his victims have been called upon to undergo have been amply justified in the sphere of concrete achievement. True, MjM has a right to his opinion. In his mind, he also apparently has a right to be a directionless degenerate as evidenced by his endless attempts to feed us a diet of bullshit, lies, name-calling, and all other manner of trials and tribulations.

    At the very least, MjM always cavils at my attempts to suggest the kind of behavior and manners that are needed to restore good sense to this important debate. That’s probably because MjM’s cowardly attacks not only demean MjM’s victims, they dehumanize all of us and are contrary to the principles of a free society. If his disquisitions were intended as a joke, he forgot to include the punchline. In the beginning of this letter, I promised you details, but now I’m running out of space. So here’s one detail to end with: MjM’s slaphappy, vainglorious associates wring their hands with angst at the thought of someone like me fighting scurrility and slander.

  13. Merlin

    There’s a huge difference between the architecture of a drawdown by milestone achievements and that of a simple and total abandonment. Our withdrawal from Afghanistan began as the former and ended as the latter. As MjM laid it out very accurately above, the total abandonment strategy in Afghanistan belongs completely to the Biden Administration. Biden has chosen rather unwisely to influence the Taliban solely with old fashioned dollar diplomacy.

    There are legitimate reasons why you never leave an absolute vacuum in your wake. We still keep a small footprint in Iraq and Syria involved in counter-terrorism operations. Withdrawal without abandonment. Pretty much everywhere we’ve ever been.

  14. penquin

    Trump said that even tho Biden tried to stop the process but he could not…which means it continued on.

    But if ya’ll are telling me that the former president was lying when he said that then I guess shame on me for beleiving such a dishonest man….reckon I should have known better, eh?

  15. Merlin

    Oh, Biden definitely stopped the process. Halting the process simply because it was Trump’s process has proven exceptionally foolish. Biden had options. He could have continued the active phased withdrawal and blamed any Afghan failures to meet milestones on Trump. He could have reversed the withdrawal and initiated another buildup if he so chose, citing Afghan failures as justification and still blamed Trump. Instead he chose to abandon the entire process with an illogical cut and run strategy. That’s 100% on Biden or whoever makes decisions for him.

    Was Trump wrong in his belief that Biden wouldn’t be so incredibly stupid as to cut and run? Absolutely.

  16. dad29

    The Troll is a failed English major now bartending (or waiting tables) in some dive.

    First thing about intelligent composition: keep it short and to the point. FAIL!!

  17. Jason

    Not just some dive, but some Madison dive.

    Hey MJM just got his verbal vomit assault… He’s joined an elite club, you and I got ours a while back. Today’s is just as full of nothing and also not worthy an acknowledgement.

  18. MjM

    BirdBrain continues his lying:: “ At August 15, 2022 at 3:47 pm MjM complained that Biden stopped the process…

    Please quote my words wherein I made such a complaint.

    You won’t, of course, simply because you can’t. To the contrary of your corkscrew imagination and delusion, my complaint was about you lying about what Trump said. And here you are again dipping into your bag of lies in attempting to defend yourself. Pitiful.

    As for the rest of your Rothchild’s Sewage and Septic Sucking Services outflow…. ~yawn~

    I will admit, however, that I found this….

    at the thought of someone like me fighting scurrility and slander.

    … coming from one initiating both rather humorous.

    In a pitiful kinda way.

  19. penquin

    Was Trump wrong in his belief that Biden wouldn’t be so incredibly stupid as to cut and run? Absolutely.

    That is a weird way to phrase the statement…’cause according to the timeline presented above Biden had changed the withdrawal process over a month before Trump made that speech. (And yes, despite the constant chorus now claiming otherwise, Trump was obviously talking about the withdrawal of troops…what else could he have been referencing when he said ““all[sic] the troops[sic] are coming[sic] home[sic]” ?)

    Like I said earlier, my bad for beleiving our former president in regards to this issue – should’ve known his comments should always be fact-checked.

    Anywhos…thank you for engaging with sincerity, respect, and a reasoned position. It is truly appreciated.

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