Just like his ever-changing guidance on masks and other mitigation topics, Fauci’s story about whether he was complicit in funding this research has changed multiple times. It has been clear for months (at least) that Fauci is a liar. He is also incompetent, but let’s just start with liar. Why is anyone even listening to him anymore? And why are the taxpayers still paying him when he has proven to be incompetent and a liar?
WASHINGTON — With questions persisting about the origins of the coronavirus pandemic, Dr. Anthony Fauci, a top science adviser to the Biden administration, defended having previously helped fund research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, a Chinese laboratory where some believe the pathogen known as SARS-CoV-2 originated sometime in 2019, possibly as the result of an accident.
“You gotta go where the action is,” Fauci explained on Tuesday, as he faced questions about the increasingly popular lab-origin theory from Republicans during testimony before a subcommittee of the House Appropriations Committee.
The action, in this case, was SARS-CoV-1, a coronavirus that originated in bats in the Chinese province of Guangdong in 2002 and then jumped to humans. A total of 8,096 people around the world would become infected with the disease known as SARS, the first pandemic of the 21st century, not to mention the first of a globalized human civilization where ease of travel between densely populated urban centers presented a severe challenge for epidemiologists.
Actually, it’s often called “perjury.”
I still don’t understand the right’s obsession with Fauci. It has NEVER been questioned that we funded a program that worked with the Wuhan lab for the amount of 7.4 million to study the origins of the Coronavirus. WHO CARES!??!?! We fund research all over the planet with different groups and facilities.
At this point we don’t know if it originated in a lab (most likely) or not. But he and others have categorically denied that the funding ever went to “gain of function”, basically weaponizing it. No one is saying that wasn’t happening at Wuhan, just that the US didn’t direct the dollars for that purpose. They had a lot of other funding.
China is going to continue to deny, regardless of if it is true or not. They are not trustworthy with the data or information that they hand out.
Except that Fauci denied for over a year that we (the US) funded the research: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/fauci-denies-nih-supported-gain-of-function-research-at-wuhan-lab/ar-BB1gCqdA
The fact that he admits it now is new information. To say that it has “never been questioned” is incorrect.
The reason that it is important is because Fauci has been a primary influence in shaping the public policy response to COVID-19. That response has been flawed, inconsistent, and in many respects, did more harm that good. If it is true (and it is) that Fauci is a liar and may have been influencing public policy for the purpose of covering his own ass, then it matters. Accountability for bad decisions – particularly bad decisions that are motivated by malice, avarice, or self-interest – by public officials is important. Otherwise, we are giving tacit approval for the same people to continue to make bad decisions that impact our lives.
As always just follow the money.
Patents on successful pharmaceuticals generate some of the biggest money on the planet. Fauci is neck deep in gain of function research deemed too dangerous to be conducted in domestic biosafety level 4 lab facilities, so he outsourced that research to China. On its face that’s a staggeringly stupid risk/reward calculation based upon Communist Chinese assurances their level 4 lab facilities were up to standards. Greed won out. Why not just contract your research to a soup kitchen in Mogadishu?
Fauci’s expertise was overridden by his massive conflict of interest the moment things went sideways in Wuhan. His lying and waffling since as reliable data became available should have been a massive red flag that got the guy sacked on the spot, but instead he was allowed to effectively drive a global pandemic public policy response of incalculable expense. That’s solidly on Trump.
Hauling Fauci before congressional inquiries is pointless since he’s demonstrated he can lie with the best of them and only grudgingly cops to what can be proven. He needs to be before a grand jury where truth can be compelled.
Yes, it’s “on Trump.”
OTOH, I think Trump NEVER imagined the amount of self-interest and treachery he found in D.C. He went in with the idea that 99.99% of Americans were “America First” people just like him. Except in D.C. that number is ………maybe……5%.
Flyover country didn’t know the extent of how broken DC is until Donald Trump showed us. Much worse than we thought. Sad doesn’t begin to cover it.
Wizard sez: “… gain of function research deemed too dangerous to be conducted in domestic biosafety level 4 lab facilities, so he outsourced that research to China.”
….a plan hatched within days days of Obama ordering the end of domestic GOF research.
“Senator Paul, with all due respect, you are entirely and completely incorrect. The NIH has not ever and does not now fund gain-of-function research in the Wuhan Institute of Virology,” – Fraud Fauci, under oath, May 11, 2021
Under oath today….
Q: How do you know that they didn’t lie to you and use the money for gain of research anyway?
Fauci: Well, we’ve seen the results of the experiments that were done, that were published, and the viruses that they studied are on public databases now. None of that was gain of functions, so…
Q: How do you know that they didn’t do the [gain of function] research and not publish it on their website?
Fauci: There’s no way of guaranteeing that, but in our experience with grantees, including Chinese grantees, which we’ve had interactions with for a very long time, they are very competent and trustworthy scientist. I’m not talking about anything else in China I’m talking about their scientists. And you would expect them to abide by the conditions of the grant, which they’ve done for the years we’ve had interactions with.
Q: Do you think all the scientist have told the truth in terms of the origin of the Wuhan virus and have not been influenced by the communist party of China, do you?
Fauci: I don’t have enough insight into the communist party of China to know the interactions between them and the scientist.
On one hand, Fraudci claims he has not funded Communist Chinese GOF research and on the other hand claims he can’t guarantee that it didn’t happen.
On one hand, Fraudci says he has been working with the ChiComms “for a very long time” but on the other hand claims he has absolutely no idea how ChiComm laboratories are run.
The man is a congenital liar of the first degree.
The problem is that the fake doctor is a bureaucrat and dies not practice medicine. He is a paper pusher.
Then on top of that, he lives the limelight, appearing on TV daily and most of the media believed him as the sole authority, even though there are many different opinions out there.
Its too bad that the media never asked him the tough questions or put on opposite view points.
“Then on top of that, he lives the limelight, appearing on TV daily and most of the media believed him as the sole authority, even though there are many different opinions out there.”
A common Dem Modus Operandi. Pick a few celebrity scientists, make them national stars and use their opinion as the only scientific opinion, shutting out and shouting down all others. Nothing new for them, really. It is the Party of the stars after all.
Sad doesn’t begin to cover it.
Yes. But if I said what i REALLY think, I’d be in prison in D.C., solitary confinement, gruel for breakfast, 60 sq. foot cell, no lawyer allowed, no bail.
That’s what angry patriots get these days.
So no one has proven anything different than what I stated. We gave money to Wuhan, but NOT for GOF. We can’t prove or disprove the lab was doing it. There is no evidence.
So everyone keeps seeing things thru politically tinted glasses. Until someone gets on the stand and disproves what Fauci is saying… you are just living in a conspiracy world.
“We can’t prove or disprove the lab was doing it. There is no evidence.”
Don’t You think that’s the problem? Fauci and the others didn’t vet the place and had no one on the inside of the place.
If you are spending hundreds of thousands of dollars,if not millions, wouldn’t that be kind of a basic thing to do?
> Until someone gets on the stand and disproves what Fauci is saying… you are just living in a conspiracy world.
Dumpster reply from a dumpster left hack. There is no burden of proof . Fauci lied about knowing that Wuhan Labs were working on GoF… Because he said UNDER OATH “there was no funding for GoF”… which has now changed to “There’s no way to guarantee it that funding wasn’t spent on GoF research”. Stop defending your team so transparently… It makes you look stupid.
Jason, those 2 statements are not mutually exclusive, it isn’t tough to figure out. If you give your friend $20 and 2 days later he goes and buys meth… did you give your friend $20 for meth? That lab has other sponsors and supporters. You can make the argument (like Mar) that there should be better follow up on that lab. But how often? We had been giving them millions for YEARS.
But please… continue to try and muddy the waters or just be blatantly bias because you don’t like Fauci. Because if it was THAT obvious, then other people should have known as well in the administration. Where are they? Why are they not speaking up? Well, when someone comes forward and says, “Yeah, we knew there was GoF going on…” that is when I will call Fauci a liar on the subject.
JV remains JV : “There is no evidence.”
Its right there in the documentation.
“3. Test predictions of CoV inter-species transmission. Predictive models of host range (i.e. emergence potential) will be tested experimentally using reverse genetics, pseudovirus and receptor binding assays, and virus infection experiments across a range of cell cultures from different species and humanized mice.”
– Abstract, Project # 1R01AI110964-01
Funding Agency, National Institute of Health (NIH)
Institute: National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID)
Fiscal Year 2014
Total Cost $666,442
Indirect Cost $149,585
Institute: Ecohealth Alliance, Inc.
This was the first of several grants shipped off to Ecohealth by Fraudci. It is also the first Fraudci grant to offshore GOF research after the Obama’s domestic ban. The abstract was written by “non-profit” Ecohealth’s CEO and GOF enthusiast Peter Daszak, the same guy the WHO hired to “investigate” the Wuhan labs.
The final funding grant to Ecohealth (Project# 5R01AI110964-04) began July 1, 2017. Fraudci dished this grant out “under the table”, so to speak.
After Obama shut down domestic GOF research in 2014, it was restarted in 2017 only after HHS created a new framework (P3CO) for independent review/evaluation of all grants involving manipulation and enhancement of dangerous pathogens. The flaw in the HHS design is that it allows the grantee – as in Fraudci – to determine whether an independent evaluation is necessary. So, of course, Fraudci deemed his grant non-reviewable to side step any prying eyes.
And so, Fraudci passed his grant money to Ecohealth who in turn passed it on to none other than Zheng-Li Shi, the famed “Bat Lady” of the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Zheng-Li Shi has been conduction GOF experiments on bat corona viruses since the mid-2000s.
Indeed, just before OBama’s 2014 ban Zheng-Li Shi, along with Professor of Epidemiology, Microbiology, and Immunology Ralph Baric of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, published a paper of GOF research on bat corona viruses. And just before receiving her Fraudci grant money in 2017 the Shi’s lab at Wuhan reported successfully infecting human cell lines intentionally engineered to express the human ACE2 receptor.
And one thing no one seems to know, or at least mention, is that there are actually two separate labs in Wuhan. The as-mentioned Wuhan Institute of Virology, a BSL-4 lab which was built in 2015, and the Wuhan Centers for Disease Prevention and Control. WCDPC is a BSL-2 lab. It is also where, until the recent CCPVirus outbreak, the majority of bat corona virus, storage, manipulation, and experimentation has taken place.
Also note, when the CCPVirus was identified it was already super-adapated to human infection and transmission, yet no one has yet to find any intermediate source or branch or sub-evolution of it in the wild.
Now, as for your analogy, ” If you give your friend $20 and 2 days later he goes and buys meth… did you give your friend $20 for meth?”
Did you know your friend was a meth head?
Because Fraudci certainly knew Wuhan was conducting GOF, that Ecohealth promoted GOF. and that the Bat Lady was the Head Honcho of GOF. After all, he has worked with them “for a very long time”.
Only a moron would ask, “Why are they not speaking up?”
> If you give your friend $20 and 2 days later he goes and buys meth… did you give your friend $20 for meth?
Again, not the point, the point is Fauci has changed his story since his first fiery exchange with Senator Paul. You’re the one muddying the waters. MJM has it spot on, are you ready to call Fauci a “liar” now?
And what do you think about this? Do you think this is a good idea?
>The abstract was written by “non-profit” Ecohealth’s CEO and GOF enthusiast Peter Daszak, the same guy the WHO hired to “investigate” the Wuhan labs.
Seems almost like having a capital investment firm perform an audit of itself to determine if any fraud has taken place. Do you also think Bernie Madoff shoulve have investigated his dealings to declare if he was running a ponzi scheme?
Jonnyv, any reply to MJM? I have noticed that the kool-aid drinking programmed liberals shut up and go away from comments like MJMs. Facts do not compute. Are you different?
He’s not, T. He didn’t bother to respond to my simple-math correction of his “magic sunlight electricity” theory, either.
>He’s not, T. He didn’t bother to respond to my simple-math correction of his “magic sunlight electricity” theory, either.
Leroy does that all the time too.
“Putting aside the specter of bioterrorism for the moment, consider this hypothetical scenario: an important gain-of-function experiment involving a virus with serious pandemic potential is performed in a well-regulated, world-class laboratory by experienced investigators, but the information from the experiment is then used by another scientist who does not have the same training and facilities and is not subject to the same regulations. In an unlikely but conceivable turn of events, what if that scientist becomes infected with the virus, which leads to an outbreak and ultimately triggers a pandemic? Many ask reasonable questions: given the possibility of such a scenario—however remote—should the initial experiments have been performed and/or published in the first place, and what were the processes involved in this decision?
Scientists working in this field might say—as indeed I have said—that the benefits of such experiments and the resulting knowledge outweigh the risks. It is more likely that a pandemic would occur in nature, and the need to stay ahead of such a threat is a primary reason for performing an experiment that might appear to be risky.” – Research on Highly Pathogenic H5N1 Influenza Virus: The Way Forward, Anthony S. Fauci, Oct 3, 2012
Prior to this, one could only get Avian Flu – H5N1 – by direct physical contact with an infected bird and it was not transmissible between mammals. But it is deadly if you do get it: 60% death rate.
Fraudci’s words above were written after two “scientists” (Yoshihiro Kawaoka of UW Madison, Ron Fouchier of Erasmus Medical Center, Netherlands) both found ways and created mutations in 2011 that made the H5N1 airborne and passable between mammals. They killed a lot of ferrets in the process.
Who funded the research of Kawaoko and Fourchier? Go on. Guess.
And there’s your dagger.
“ Dalgleish and Sørensen have authored a new study, which concludes that ‘SARS-Coronavirus-2 has no credible natural ancestor’ and that it is ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ that the virus was created through ‘laboratory manipulation’. ”:
This is why, as I mentioned above, that no previous branch or sub-evolution of CCPVirus has been found in the wild. It doesn’t exist.
Some of theirs work was done last year and was rejected out of hand by the usual cabal of g’vment run “scientists”claiming only natural mutations was the cause of high human transmission and infection.
A good read with clear descriptions of what they discovered.