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2131, 09 Jun 20

Evers Considers Declaring Racism a Public Health Emergency

This is concerning.

Evers also said he was considering issuing a proclamation declaring racism a public health crisis, though he noted doing so “wouldn’t do anything more than” elevate the issue — a topic he noted is already getting attention in communities across the state.

Elsewhere, localities and others are pushing for such language. Democratic lawmakers in Ohio have sought to pass a resolution naming racism a public health issue, which they said would be the first of its kind nationwide, and would require legislative support to be enacted.

In Wisconsin, Evers wouldn’t be able to officially declare racism as a public health emergency like he did for COVID-19 because of stipulations in state statute.

Still, he acknowledged, “me doing a declaration of emergency would be like, ‘I get it,’” Evers said. “No matter where you’re talking about … (protests) happened all across the state and the message is pretty much the same all across the state: racism is an issue, it’s a huge issue for Wisconsin, it’s a huge issue for our country. We have to deal with that head on.”

Evers used a Public Health Emergency to strip all of us of our civil rights for two months. He would have done it for longer if the Supreme Court hadn’t stepped in. Although statute forbids him doing the same thing here, he might ignore that like other laws.

Now that the liberals have seen how easy it is to obliterate our rights when something is a “public health emergency,” they will try to use that excuse as often as possible to get around silly things like the Rule of Law, due process, and civil rights.

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2131, 09 June 2020

87 Comments

  1. Mar

    Herr Evan’s is just waving his arms and saying “Look at me, look at me”.
    Apparently, he has no other issues to deal with.
    Like getting the schools open in the Fall.
    Like repairing the damage in the inner cities.
    Like trying to stop the paper mill in Wisconsin Rapids from closing.
    Like getting people their unemployment checks.
    But no, “Look at me, look at me”.

  2. Kevin Scheunemann

    Given the dripping, rampant racism on the left, demanding people be sorted by skin color for leves of victimhood…it is a public health emergency.

    The diseased, racist left, a cancer spreading like a rash that will not go away with a mere topical cream. Surgery for the societal cancer may be needed.

  3. dad29

    Evers puts the “twit” into Twitter.

  4. jjf

    Oh, there’s plenty of twit to be found on the Twitters.

    You know, like guys who vilify big-city union bosses when it’s good for them, and who hold them up as red meat to make the base feel better at other times.  Racist thoughts and policies?  How many white faces do you see there?

  5. Jason

    What do you think johhny, that if you call someone racist who doesn’t visit this site or read your words, that you’re not being a bully?  So much for your legendary tolerance and big bookshelves, in the end you’re the same as me and everyone else online.  You just don’t like yourself.

  6. Pat

    The police should be Act 10’d.

  7. Mar

    I do agree with Pat, that the cops and prison guards should be part of Act 10.
    And jjf, if you actually watched the TV version of that press conference. There were several Black police officers.
    I would hope you are not saying Blacks are not qualified to be police officers.

  8. jjf

    Jason, I tend to not call people outright “racists.”  Maybe I’ll reserve it for someone actually wearing a hood at that moment.  I think it’s better to focus on identifying racist thoughts and racist policies.  It’s more positive.

    It shows an opportunity for change and improvement:  He had a racist thought, we identified it, we countered it, he let it go, he replaced it with better-founded ideas.

    Same for policies.  I’d rather see a policy go away than anything else.

    So Jason and Mar:  Why were there so many white faces in that pic?

    Or maybe explain the difference here.

  9. Mar

    “So Jason and Mar:  Why were there so many white faces in that pic?”
    Here’s a thought, jjf, why don’t you ask the police union?
    “Jason, I tend to not call people outright “racists.”  Maybe I’ll reserve it for someone actually wearing a hood at that moment.”
    That has to be a top 10 of moronic statements you have ever said, jjf. And there’s quite a competition to get into the Top 10.

  10. Mar

    Right, Pat, get a video from the terrorist group Black Lives Don’t Matter.
    I would hope you could do better than getting a video from a bunch of thugs.

  11. jjf

    Mar, why was Walker retwitting it?

  12. Pat

    They were peacefully protesting which triggered him to break out the chainsaw.
    Should the military be deployed against those kids?

  13. Pat

    Sorry, wrong thread.

  14. Pat

    Mar,

    I missed where the video was made by a terrorist group. Or did you make that up?

  15. Jason

    >Jason, I tend to not call people outright “racists.” 

    So much better of you to back-handedly do it.  Oh I don’t mean better… I mean cowardly.   I thought your lesson for me yesterday was “Be Best” – hard for me to swallow that pill when you’re here today accusing people of racist policies based solely on your count of skin colors.

    >Why were there so many white faces in that pic?

    Because you’re the only one focused on skin color.  I see people there, people hired to do a job.  I don’t assume they were hired based on skin color, you do.  You’re the racist.

  16. Pat

    What? There were white people in that photo?? I didn’t notice.

  17. Mar

    Yes, Black Lives Matter is a terrorist group.
    They have members who have killed. Their rhetoric has made followers kill cops.
    They don’t care about Black cops who are killed.
    They don’t care about free speech.
    They don’t care about all the murders of Blacks or anybody else for that matter.
    But they like to riot and loot.
    So, yes they are a terrorist group.

  18. Pat

    They made that video?

  19. jjf

    Jason, it’s just a coincidence that when they did the hiring, they didn’t diversify.  And when they did the press conference, couldn’t represent the full diverse nature of their organization.  Right?

  20. Mar

    Pat, I made a mistake, BLM was not the group that made the video but instead they were included in hashtags. I apologize.

  21. jjf

    Mar, what’s the math on that?  We can call BLM a terrorist group because of the actions of a few, but not the police?

  22. Mar

    jjf, I don’t recall the police holding marches and 5 cops ate killed. Or that that cops rioting and looting. Perhaps you can show me those instances.
    Tell me where the cops don’t care about anybody but cops. Show me where the entire organization is racist. Show me where the entire police department don’t care about innocent people being killed.
    Can you?

  23. Merlin

    BLM seems to be evolving much like the IRA did in Ireland with a political wing that never knew anything about the actions of the militant wing. Wink, wink. Nod, nod.

  24. jjf

    Cops don’t loot, Mar.  They seize assets.  Completely different.  Just a forfeiture.

    BLM doesn’t kill people.  You’re trying to link some crimes to a very loosely organized international movement.

    I have to show you what?  That’s some odd logic you’re carrying.

  25. MjM

    BLM is nothing more than a money machine for Democrats.  Go to their web site, click on DONATE, and watch your title bar.  You’ll be giving your cash to one of the biggest Democrap PACs around.

    Isn’t interesting that no one thought it necessary to steal, burn, riot, and scream F*** THE POLICE like idiots when the Minneapolis black cop shot and killed the white woman, Justine Damond,  for no reason what so ever.

     

  26. Mar

    “Cops don’t loot, Mar.  They seize assets.  Completely different.  Just a forfeiture.”
    That is wrong. The county, city, state or federal attorney’s do the fortifications.

  27. Jason

    > And when they did the press conference, couldn’t represent the full diverse nature of their organization. Right?

    Well since you appear to have insider details on the organization of the press conference, please share with us how they did pick out who attended and how they assigned each person’s spot in the background. I’ll wait.

  28. Mar

    jjf wants to concentrate on other’s percieved racism but doesn’t want to deal with his own racism.
    What a shame.

  29. jjf

    Mar, what are you talking about?  You just invent sheet, then pretend it’s real.

    Sure, let’s start a conversation about personal experience and racist beliefs.  You haven’t seen me say that a dozen times here?

    Jason, do you think any police department’s composition should reflect the actual demographics of their area?

  30. Mar

    Sorry, jjf, you have shown time after time your racism. Maybe you think you are too elitist to be racist, but you have shown that you are as bad as a racist as those who wear the white sheets and hoods
    Except, your racist views really do hurt people.
    Denying a Black and Brown skin child a proper education.
    That you think being born Black is a bad thing.
    That you support looters and rioters that destroy Black businesses.
    Yes, jjf, racism is a bad thing but don’t be a hypocrite. Solve your racist views before making accusations against anybody else.

  31. jjf

    Again and again you invent sheet and pretend it’s real.

    For example – “you want to deny some kids a good education, therefore you’re racist” – what this means is that I don’t support your particular political method of funding private schools.  It has nothing to do with my desire to meet the state Constitution’s requirement for an education.

    And let me guess – the only way for me to not be racist in this situation is to agree with your particular method of funding private schools.  No, not even agree – I must agree to expand it, and never question it.

    And for this, you think I’m literally equivalent to the KKK.

  32. dad29

    BLM seems to be evolving much like the IRA did in Ireland with a political wing that never knew anything about the actions of the militant wing.

    Look at BLM’s webpage statements about its “principles” and you find another totally anti-civilizational manifesto, beginning with anti-family and working its way through mass murder (abortion.)

    No surprise that the founders are all Communist or fellow-travelers.  Not only was Joe McCarthy right; he under-estimated the problem by several orders of magnitude.

  33. Le Roi du Nord

    mar:

    Oh no, you screwed up again:

    Judges make forfeitures. Attorneys (prosecutors) can only recommend. And I doubt you can find an attorney of any sort building fortifications.

    Now tell us again how highly educated you are.

  34. Mar

    Yes, jjf, it happens a lot where I live, at least the traffic stops.
    And the cops have gotten thousands of pounds of drugs off the street.
    Is it abused at times, yes. Is it also helpful, yes.

  35. Mar

    No Le Roi. The cops seize the property and then the lawyers get involved and determine whether they go to court. Then it goes to court and judge rules on it.

  36. Jason

    >Jason, do you think any police department’s composition should reflect the actual demographics of their area?

     

    I think it should a reflection of the pool of applicants based on talent and personality.  Never about Skin Color – never.

     

    I say the same thing about your silly Obama vs Trump internship photo.  Unless you have full details on both applicant pools, you’re just regurgitating the latest tripe some twitter warrior posted a couple days ago.

  37. Le Roi du Nord

    Like I said, the judges makes the final determination of forfeiture. The LE agency and the prosecutor may recommend, but they don’t have the final word.

    You are still wrong.

  38. jjf

    Well, Jason, I guess you’ve got this systemic racism thing all figured out!

    If the people doing the hiring did hold racist views, I’m sure your policy will prevent them from hiring a bunch of people, you know, they Feel More Comfortable With.  You know, the ones with Talent and Personality.

  39. Tuerqas

    Like I said, the judges makes the final determination of forfeiture. The LE agency and the prosecutor may recommend, but they don’t have the final word.
    You are still wrong.

    Ridiculously incorrect, Mar is absolutely correct.  Le Roi, you clearly have zero idea of the purpose behind the Judicial branch and what their jobs are.  The Judge can never bring a case to court without recusing himself from it.  Every case has to be brought before a court before a Judge even gets involved.  Lawyers prepare the case and then bring it before a judge to decide on an outcome.  When more of the laws are followed for a forfeiture the Judge rules in favor and if the law for forfeiture are not proper or do not apply, the Judge rules against the case.  When a determination is made, the police carry out the verdict not the Judge.

    You would have to stop before the end of the process (before the police carry out the result of the case) and have the Judges be corrupt(they would have to be involved in bringing the case to court), to pretend that Judges make the forfeitures.  You can believe that all you want, but you are 100% wrong on it.

  40. Le Roi du Nord

    T:

    That isn’t what I said. Try again.

  41. Tuerqas

    I say the same thing about your silly Obama vs Trump internship photo.  Unless you have full details on both applicant pools, you’re just regurgitating the latest tripe some twitter warrior posted a couple days ago.

    I am not sure which intern group is more racist…Trump has only 2.1% blacks in his photo, way below the 12.1% of blacks in America.  Of course, this could be reflected fairly if you consider that less than 10% of blacks voted for Trump.  He might not have been able to find more than two millennial blacks that would work for him.

    Obama has about 28.3% blacks in his interns, well over double the percentage of blacks in America.  I suppose we could give him a break on this because a much higher percentage of his supporters were black.

    I’d call it about even, if the interns were more or less representative of an administration’s supporters.

    Hmm, or maybe intern spots are largely given as gifts to big supporters.  Well that would have absolutely nothing to do with racism, would it?  I could accept that, could any liberal?

     

  42. Tuerqas

    Clarifying note:

    When I said:  I suppose we could give him a break on this because a much higher percentage of his supporters were black..  I specifically meant a much higher percent of the total Black vote.  I did not mean more blacks voted for Obama than whites.

  43. Jason

    >You know, the ones with Talent and Personality.

    Well since neither of us are privy to the talent pool, I’m assuming it’s not, you’re assuming it is.   But I’m a bully.  But you don’t call people racist – unless they are physically wearing a sheet.

    Interesting perspective you have there, do you cry yourself to sleep every night wishing you were a better person like me?

  44. Tuerqas

    T:
    That isn’t what I said. Try again.

    You:  Judges make forfeitures. Attorneys (prosecutors) can only recommend. And I doubt you can find an attorney of any sort building fortifications.

    Mar:  No Le Roi. The cops seize the property and then the lawyers get involved and determine whether they go to court. Then it goes to court and judge rules on it.

    You:  Like I said, the judges makes the final determination of forfeiture. The LE agency and the prosecutor may recommend, but they don’t have the final word.

    You said Judges make forfeitures.  No, they do not.

    Mar’s statement is exactly correct, outside of grammar.  And many times the forfeiture is made after the ruling

    Then you said again: “…the judges makes the final determination of forfeiture.” (again ignore the grammar in terms of ‘correctness’).  Most judges will say that the strength of the evidence and the structure of the lawyer’s claims will determine the outcome.  And then police enforce the decision, without them the Judge’s decision is worthless.  If a spouse were claiming the outbuildings of a large farm and the Judge thought she deserved the house too, he can’t make that part of his decision if it is not part of the cases made by the lawyers.  He can rule on what is brought in front of him and that is only part of (and not even the most indispensable part) a forfeiture.  If it is contested forfeiture between two private entities and there is a jury, it is out of his hands altogether.

    The whole case in court is a process involving several important pieces of which the Judge is only a part, and he does not MAKE forfeitures, he rules on the cases the two parties of lawyers MADE.  Make implies create and the Judge creates nothing.  To imply creation, the Judge would have had to have been part of the case creation process or part of the carrying out of the sentence.  He is part of neither, he rules upon the creations of others (exactly as mar states).  If it helps, your second statement is much less wrong, but as written, it doesn’t really conflict with Mar’s statement anymore, it more or less agrees with it.  Mar included the Judge, you just tried to exalt the Judge to somehow declare Mar wrong.

  45. Mar

    Thank you Tuerqas.

  46. Le Roi du Nord

    T:

    An LEO or agency /department may seize (confiscate) property/cash, but the forfeiture isn’t final until the court (judge) rules on it. Or the court/judge may return it.

  47. Mar

    “Judges make forfeitures”
    Umm, no they don’t.
    Maybe T should have used smaller words for you to understand.

  48. Tuerqas

    In that case the LEO or agency/department has made  the forfeiture, not the judge, right?  Did the judge make the forfeiture?  If he opts to rule for a return, does he get up, and drive out to the dispossessed and make the return?  NO!  He dispenses a ruling and the rest of the justice system does their portion of the remaining process.

    Without a case created in the first place, a Judge cannot make/create/generate a ruling to take anything away from anybody.  He decides if the state should take it away after a case is created and brought before him.  Then the state does it, or not.

    Mar, ‘make’ is a small word…I just…what else can ya say?

  49. Mar

    Sure, Le Roi, post an article where you need to subscribe to the newspaper.
    Just admit you were wrong Le Roi. It’s not the end of the world. And if it is the end of the world, then who cares, you’ll just have to deal with your lies in the afterlife.

  50. Le Roi du Nord

    Hey mar, it worked for me, and I don’t subscribe. Try again.

  51. dad29

    LeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeRoy, ex-LEO, doesn’t use his large pension package to actually PAY for stuff.

  52. Mar

    Sorry Le Roi. The paper must know I am a conservative. All get is the first paragraph and then an advertisement for me to subscribe.

  53. Le Roi du Nord

    Dial up will do that to you.

  54. Mar

    That and my hamster is on vacation from in his ball, that powers my shack.

  55. jjf

    Let’s not tell Mar how to get around the paywall.

  56. Mar

    “Let’s not tell Mar how to get around the paywall.”
    Perhaps,but at least I know how to find a person in a database, unlike you.

  57. jjf

    Really?  Sure, tell me how you made that recall site find her.  If I had to guess, you read some conservative site that I didn’t read, that explained which bits of her info worked.

    As for the newspaper web site, here’s a hint:  inschnogito mood.

  58. Mar

    Sorry, jjf, I guess you just are not very smart in the technology of computers.
    I just put her address in and discovered that they put misspelled last name.
    I bet you still use a dot matrix printer.

  59. jjf

    I defer to your superior knowledge of input field validation and database searches.  How many databases have you normalized this morning?

  60. Jason

    >How many databases have you normalized this morning?

     

    Depends on what form you stop at…  Dr Codd.  What exactly does normalizing the data in a relational database have to do with searching said database via a front end form?  You should defer more often.

  61. dad29

    Hey!!  Wassamatta with MS Basic, Jason?

  62. jjf

    If you can’t find the shortcomings at that web site, I can’t help you.

    Sure, just enter the address, said Mar.

    Here’s some that don’t return any results:

    409 n. ardmore ave

    409 n. ardmore

    409 n ardmore

    Doesn’t matter what I say, Jason.  All you do is bully and insult.  That’s your power.  If I feed you a detail, you latch onto it, start rhyming with it, turn it into an insult.  Because that’s the way you’re built.

  63. Mar

    Maybe, just maybe, jjf, if you just put in the right address, you might have gotten it.
    Sucks to be being beaten by an amateur in computers.
    Kind of like the Packers losing to Saint Mary’s Poor Sisters convent nuns

  64. jjf

    Precisely.  “4209” doesn’t help, either.  You must include “Shorewood.”  You can’t include “Ave”, can’t include a period after the “N”.

    And the text on the page says:

    Enter as much information as you know. The more data you enter here will return fewer, and thus likely more accurate, results. Keep in mind that our volunteers were instructed to enter data EXACTLY as it appeared on recall petitions, including misspellings, abbreviations, etc. Partial data is fine.

    You think partial data is fine?

  65. Jason

    Weve found the shortcomings on your honesty so far. Speaking of latching onto details, you’re more worried about a database search efficiency than the facts held in the database. Bookshelf indeed!

  66. jjf

    Hey, Mar said he entered “the address” and found it.  That doesn’t work.

  67. Mar

    You put in the wrong address,jjf.
    Damn, maybe I could go into the computer world. I mean, I hunt and peck on the keyboard. I can hook up to the wifi. I can search the internet for different things, though, those darn porno sites keep showing up.
    What else do you need to know to program and work on computers?

  68. jjf

    Dealing patiently with people who don’t understand or pretend to not to understand.  I’m quite good at it.

    Go ahead, try the right address “4209 N Ardmore” without the “Shorewood” and tell me what you get.

  69. Mar

    I don’t care what you get jjf. I found it and you didn’t.
    Lighten up Francis.

  70. jjf

    Clearly this means you know more than I do about computers, and maybe this can help you advance your career!

  71. Jason

    >You must include “Shorewood.” You can’t include “Ave”, can’t include a period after the “N”.

    You dont have to include Shorewood, dummy. And I suggest you reach out to everyone who signed the petition to fix their entries on the form. You want to complain about data quality, go to the source.

    You speak like a project manager, all schedule and no actual experience. What do you want to whine about next? Apache Struts? MariaDB instead of Postgres? Redhat instead of Ngnix? And you have the audacity to say I latch onto details, you cant even get small details right… “you have to include ‘Shorewood'” … wrong again Johnny. You should have deferred as I suggested.

  72. Mar

    Jason, he’s just upset that a computer nerd like him was bested by a computer illiterate like myself.

  73. jjf

    Walk me through it, Jason.  Show me the minimal data that needs to be entered on that site to find her.  Show me what works and what doesn’t.

    So you’re a DB admin or just a googler?

    “No actual experience.”  What does that mean, in this context?

  74. Mar

    Put in Bupkin, jjf.
    Geez what a sore loser.

  75. Mar

    All I did was put her first name in and Shorewood and Bingo got it.
    How difficult is that?
    Apparently, to a computer expert, and saying that with respect, too hard.

  76. jjf

    When I asked before, you said you entered her address.  And where’d you get Bupkin from, if you didn’t already know the database had it wrong?

  77. Mar

    You are overthinking it, jjf.
    I miswrote when I said I entered her address. I put her first name and community in.
    And her R apparently looks like a B to the data entry person.
    Which is a good argument against mail in elections.

  78. Jason

    >Walk me through it, Jason. Show me the minimal data that needs to be entered on that site to find her. Show me what works and what doesn’t.

    I did in the other thread dummy, go look it up.

    >”No actual experience.” What does that mean, in this context?

    It means you talk like you have computer experience and yet when it comes time to show off your skills, you fail miserably. Anything else I can patiently explain to your incompetent personage?

    >So you’re a DB admin or just a googler?

    Oh my God are you trying to doxx me? How low the victim has fallen. Maybe ask Owen how that worked out for Paul.

  79. jjf

    So “googler” then.  Are you one of Mar’s coworkers?

  80. Mar

    When I was a teacher, jjf, when you struggled I would encourage you to do your best.
    When I got back to the teachers lounge, I would say that jjf is such a dick.

  81. jjf

    I’m eager to hear your diagnosis of Jason’s behavior.

  82. Mar

    Sorry, jjf, I can’t legally make a diagnosis of Jason.

  83. Jason

    You’ll never quit me this way Fousty.

  84. Tuerqas

    Le Roi

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/04/05/in-wisconsin-authorities-now-have-to-convict-you-of-a-crime-before-they-can-take-your-cash/

    Uh, so?  Still no case at all if the associated LEO doesn’t appropriate the cash/items or lodge a case against the defendant, or the defendant doesn’t lodge a case against the offending LEO.  I am glad Walker closed that loophole of injustice, but that in now way means that a Judges makes a case.  The judge cannot lodge the case to go before himself, can he?  Still missing the same obvious point, Le Roi.

     

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