Uh huh… have more children you can’t feed because their socialist policies have caused chaos and hardship.
“Give birth!” Nicolás Maduro, the Venezuelan president, said at a televised event promoting a women’s healthcare plan on Tuesday evening. “Every woman is to have six children! Every one! For the good of the country!
The comment sparked outrage in the country where a deepening economic crisis is felt across society. Venezuela’s central bank said inflation reached nearly 10,000% last year, while shortages from basic foodstuffs to medical supplies are widespread.
Child malnutrition is estimated at 13%, according to Unicef.
Venezuela’s government has not published infant mortality figures since 2017, when a health ministry bulletin revealed that 11,466 children had died the previous year – a 30% jump in infant mortality.
The crisis has caused around 4.5 million Venezuelans to flee, with 1 million children left behind.
Why doesn’t he call for American Bernie Bros to immigrate instead?
He can have workers immediately for his socialist utopia!
Because even Maduro knows Bernie Bros don’t work.
The Bernie Bros should still be breaking the Venezuela gates down to see the democratic socialist utopia though!
You think this is from his Roman Catholicism or his socialism? You think Mike Pence or Paul Ryan would say any different? Why are so many conservatives opposed to birth control?
From his thuggish socialism and leftist need to rule over everyone.
Why don’t we just send him Bernie Bros since many of them think U.S. is so oppressive? Let them live under the reality of central planning.
Why don’t immigrants beat down door to run toward socialist countries?
Feel free to apologize to humanity for your awful ideology at anytime …
Be fruitful and multiply.
So why do the RCs and most Christian conservatives say the same darn thing?
Pat, and Jjf,
You both are awful to smear Christians in this manner. Maduro has relinguished any Christianity he had with his New Age nonsense he adheres to now.
When the bible says be “fruitful” it means to act in the faith, evangelize, bring people to the saving faith in Jesus, practice good deeds, and live a life in keeping with repentance for the gift of Christ’s salvation. “Fruitful” is not a mandate to have kids. “Multiply” is an encouragement to have kids, but it means to have kids that are trained, equiped, and educated in the saving faith of Christ. It does not mean to have godless kids that eventually fill up the gates of hell. Maduro had none of this Christian meaning in his statement. Godless Marxists tend to fill the gates of hell with their Satan inspired actions.
Both of you owe the Christian community a heartfelt apology.
“ Both of you owe the Christian community a heartfelt apology.”
Oops! Sounds like I wasn’t PC.
Someone quick call the PC police.
When you take basic, good Christian doctrine and equate it to the demonic spew of a godless Marxist like Maduro, yes, that means you owe Christian community an apology.
By all means, continue in your unrepentance.
I apologize you got butt hurt.
Your contempt and hate of Christians is showing.
I was trying to help you be a little more tolerant of Christian values and not purposely misconstrue those values with the spouting on a demon.
My hope for you still springs eternal.
I tolerate your religious beliefs, as I tolerate others beliefs. I have no problem with Christians. I support, as I’ve said numerous times, you demonstrating your beliefs in the public sphere as you want. Please don’t bear false witness.
First of all, Patsy, you should learn the meaning of words. Specifically, the meaning of “tolerate.” From dictionary. com:
Not likely that you want to become the next MiniMike whose condescension rating is 12.5 on a 10 point scale, so definition #1 doesn’t fit. Feel free to contradict me…..
The more common meaning is actually #2, in the sense that one ‘tolerates’ pain (also found in #3, not cited here).
As to having more children……..Catholic doctrine on the matter is very simple: children are a gift from God, and are a good not only for parents, but for the community at large. (Maduro has some truncated sense of that, as you can see.) At the same time, a couple should be cautious that they are able to properly raise (feed, clothe, educate) their children–so if they think 3, 5, 7 is the limit, then they carefully control their mating activities*. That engenders a high degree of respect for the woman AND–since self-control is a highly desirable trait, it is another good for the community at large.
*Yup–that means no artificial birth control. It is never good to frustrate nature, as anyone can see by looking at the divorce rate pre- and post-Lambeth.
Thus, tolerance demands a predicate of evil. Christians tolerate atheists; they also tolerate robbers, murderers, charlatans, (etc.) The normal person does not “tolerate” that which is good; he tolerates that which is evil.
Ugh. The last graf above should be graf #4 Sorry.
Wow!!! Looks like Dud got majorly butt hurt too!
If you truly tolerate Christian beliefs, you would not mischaracterize and attempt to demonize Christian values.
I was calling for a correction of your dishonesty on the matter.
How did I demonize Christian beliefs?
By (mis)quoting the bible, out of context, to equate Christians and Christian beliefs with the demonic Maduro on this topic.
I wrote, “Be fruitful and multiply”, no more, no less. You’re the one drawing conclusions to fit your narrative that it equates Christians and Christian beliefs with the demonic Maduro.
Why then would you (mis)quote one of the most common bible passages, found multiple times in bible, other than to soften Maduro as doing the Lord’s work?
You were attempting to impute Christian motives to one of the worst godless Marxist thugs of our time. It is insulting to Christians.
Jjf then overtly connected the dots in very disgusting fashion.
I think what you’re saying, Kevin, is that you and Maduro share similar views of economics: that you can reproduce your way to prosperity.
1 Timothy 5:8
“But if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.”
That is almost impossible to do in an oppressive Marxist country destroying body and soul. So telling those under that Marxist regime, which you fail to denounce, (“[to] be fruitful and multiply”) is doubly insulting to Christian values.
Where is Maduro talking, HONESTLY, about prosperity? He is a misery and slave merchant. If you cannot see that, you might be the dumbest person I have ever talked to.
Kevin says, “Why then would you (mis)quote one of the most common bible passages, found multiple times in bible, other than to soften Maduro as doing the Lord’s work?”
To provoke a reaction from you.
Did it work?
Awful, Kevin, just awful! Did you read the linked story? The headline says “Venezuela’s president urges women to have six children each ‘for good of the country’.”
Then again, you think “fruitful” can’t mean “have more kids.”
Great, but will you apologize for insultung Christians?
You, disgustingly, made link between Christians and Maduro on this. When Christians say be “fruitful” it means to walk in grace of Christ, do good deeds, evangelize, pluck unbelievers off the road to hell with the Gospel. “Multiply” means not only an encouragement to have kids, but also bring people to true saving faith in Christ with the Gospel.
To take those 2 biblical concepts and ck3aum this ideological tool of Satan means thr same thing, is an affront to Christians.
When will you cease your Christian bigotry?
Maduro is your ideological demon, own it.
Kevin said, “ Great, but will you apologize for insultung Christians?”
Sure. As soon as you apologize to everyone who has felt insulted by things you’ve said.
Provide a quote, accurate, in context, who was offended and why. I will consider your request.
I have laid out, eloquently, your very anti-Christian statement, but you remain unrepentant about it.
Could you provide a source for your interpretation that the word fruitful means “to act in the faith, evangelize, bring people to the saving faith in Jesus, practice good deeds, and live a life in keeping with repentance for the gift of Christ’s salvation”. It caught my attention because that claim goes against what I learned in 8 years of indoctrination by the Sisters of Notre Dame, and a very angry scary priest. So I have checked numerous dictionaries and none define the word the way you do. I have also checked religious study sites and no agree with you. I went so far as to call a fishing buddy (40+ year Baptist minister) and he disagrees as well.
I did find this on one of the bible study sites, so could you explain (and cite sources) as to why your interpretation differs so much from all the others? Thanks.
“God had just finished all His creation, ending with His masterpieces, the very first man and woman, when He told them to be fruitful and multiply . The world was now fully created with days and nights, seasons and years, plants and animals, and Adam and Eve; and God set in motion His plan to fill the world He created with people . The world was Adam and Eve’s inheritance to fill, and, as stated in the beginning of, it was God’s blessing for Adam and Eve to have children and work the earth. Commentator Matthew Henry wrote that God blessed the first couple with “a numerous lasting family, to enjoy this inheritance . . . in virtue of which their posterity should extend to the utmost corners of the earth and continue to the utmost period of time.”
“Simply, God desired for Adam and Eve to have many children and for their children to have many children”.
I should have typed, “ Sure. As soon as you apologize to everyone who have felt insulted by things you’ve said.”
I thought I’d be proactive before the Grammar Nazi busted me again.
I guess “context” is in the eye the beholder. Besides, I already said I apologize you got butt hurt.
So you have no quote at issue of mine?
Was this,just to divert from yoyr unrepentance on topic?
If you were honest, you would know you’ve made people feel offended by things you’ve said.
We let scripture intepret scripture.
“But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.”
This is what it means to be “fruitful”. If we take your Baptist ministers approach that God encouraged us to be “fruitful” without the Spirit in Genesis, that would mean the gates of hell would be filled in that kind of hollow intepretation. That would be completely contrary to the Gospel.
I appreciate your time to try and understand the bible here. Was impressed with your effort. However, without the Holy Spirit as guide to the Word of God it will always seem to be foolishness to those who are perishing.
If I gave you examples you would rationalize them away. So I won’t feed your unrepentant ego.
Disappointed. I thought you might have a litany of correction for me. I am always willing to discuss, and if appropriate repent of anything I have done. Naturally, I will never repent for defending the objective truth of the Gospel.
So no heartfelt apology to the Christian community on this?
I already apologized. Did you miss it.
You apologized for me being “butt hurt” for appropriately defending the Gospel.
That is not an apology. It is a doubling down on misconstruing the Gospel.
How did I misconstrue the Gospel?
Jiffy had demanded to know if it was Maduro’s socialism or his Roman Catholicism on the 6 child demand….disingenously asking a false choice, given Maduro has openly rejected his RC.
You then respoended with a bible passage “be fruitful and multiply” clearly imputing Maduro is doing Lord’s work by saying this.
I corrected you.
Don’t feign ignorance, you knew what you were doing.
Sounds like that is your interpretation of the context with which the Bible passage made.
So you quoted a well known bible passage with a godless intent?
That proves nothing other than you can find another verse in the bible that uses the root word of fruitful. Why not show how you came to define “fruitful” as something other than what it means? Or is this another situation where words only mean what you think they should mean to suit the circumstances?
If you don’t let scripture interpret scripture, it means you reject Biblical inerrancy, which means Christianity is rejected.
If Biblical Inerrancy is “off the table”, that means the interpretation is godless and demonic.
Explain godless intent.
Intent not of God’s will.
For a guy that has claimed to be eloquent, your excuse above makes no sense whatsoever. I don’t want to “let scripture interpret scripture”, I want you to explain how you came up with a definition of a relatively common word that has no basis in the English language. Show your work. And consider this; creating new definitions to suit your immediate needs can come back and bite you right in your credibility.
I’m not sure what God thought of it. I’m sure he’ll tell me.
Galatians 5:22-23 is very crystal clear on what “fruitfulness” of the Spirit looks like, even to the godless.
To read any mention in Genesis of “Be fruitful and multiply” with an interpretation of being “fruitful”, without the Spirit, in Galations 5:22-23, is utterly demonic.
Even if we entertain you godless position, irmt woyld be redundant to say “multiply”. God wants us to be faithful AND multiply…not just multiply to fill hell in our godless foolishness.
Hardly bothered by inconsequential fleas like you, Patsy. Thought maybe you could learn something, but I’m not holding my breath.
Go ahead. Try NON-reproduction as a route to vast riches, Jiffy.
Are you just imitating Biden in hopes of landing a position in his Cabinet?
Dud crawls out from his tin foil lined sarcophagus and croaks, “ Hardly bothered by inconsequential fleas like you, Patsy.”
But yet, he responds on cue.
So no heartfelt apology to the Christian community for grossly misusing a common bible passage?
So you are just making this up on the fly, eh? No surprise.
And don’t give me any of that demonic nonsense, this is all on you.
One could assay K’s definition of “fruitful” as partially correct, LeeeeeeeeeeeeeeRoy. Aquinas is very clear in condemning marital relations engendered ‘from lust.’ So his response here: “…to be “fruitful” without the Spirit in Genesis…” as an evil is a nod to Aquinas’s teaching.
But unlike Catholicism, which utilizes Scripture AND Tradition as teaching, K’s does not use Tradition. Ergo, truncating the meaning of “fruitful” to some sort of proselytizing effort (as opposed to–or absent generation of children) is deficient.
What would your SSND’s say about your current apostacy, LeeeeeeeeeeRoy?
And one could also assay that k made it all up, on the spot, to cover for his imaginary definition of a common word. I’m going to go with that.
I don’t give a hoot what all those long deceased SSND’s would say, but may applaud me for standing up for truth and honesty.
I think that Maduro was just an old horny bastard when he said this and he just wanted to be like the old President Trump.
Are you arguing, based on Galations 5:22-23, one is suppose to be “fruitful” without a faithful spirit?
If you are, it elegantly shows how unbelievers cannot grasp the simple truths in God’s Word.
No one wants to offer a heartfelt apology for misconstruing Christian truth to be in line with a demented, awful, godless, Marxist?
What it does show, in elegant and repetitive fashion, is that you make up definitions to suit your circumstances.
Nord, Pat, jjf,
Why must you all purposely misconstrue Christian teachings?
Why is it fashionable to be dishonest when it comes to Christian beliefs?
It is a sign of being bigoted against Christians, to purposely misunderstand and associate Christian doctrine if Marxist evil, which none of you openly denounce.
Awful. Just awful.
Nobody besides you was talking about Timothy or Galations(sic). You are deflecting, and covering up your errors by accusing others of your mistakes.
Awful. Just awful.
I didn’t misconstrue anything.
I typed, “Be fruitful and multiply”. Any hyperbolic context you want to derive from those four words are on you. No need to be a butt hurt snowflake.
So when jjf chimes in on 3/5/20 at 6:06 AM with: “You think this is from his Roman Catholicism or his socialism? You think Mike Pence or Paul Ryan would say any different? Why are so many conservatives opposed to birth control?”
No one was talking about Christian smearing?
Give me a break.
You are both liars.
You are deflecting again. And you screwed up your timeline. Better check again.
jjf, repeated the awfulness at 2:19 PM for good measure….
So you had 2 chances to see the obvious link being made by your fellow ideological comrades..
Awful. Just awful.
And again, you are deflecting. The comment(s) by jjf have nothing to do with your making up new definitions.
Awful. Just awful.
Yeah, I don’t know why Kevin’s so upset about my question of the source of Maduro’s affection for unbridled breeding.
It sure seems like he just wants to bully folks into agreeing with him, regardless of how ridiculous his positions may be.
Because you imply Christians support “unbridled breeding” like the godless demon Maduro states it.
You were reprehensible in the comparison!
I am constantly amazed you are so gleeful in support of Satan’s work. Normal, good, people reject evil.