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1240, 26 Dec 19

California’s New Gig Law Pushes Companies Out

At precisely the point in our technological development when it is becoming feasible for many jobs to be performed from anywhere in the world, California is making it harder and harder for people to actually work in their state.

Marisa Vallbona has transitioned a contractor who has worked for her in California into an employee, and is being more selective about the work she takes on in the state. Vallbona, who recently moved the headquarters of her public relations firm, CIM, to Houston from California, is now using only Texas-based contractors.

“I don’t work with freelancers in California anymore because of the gig economy problems,” she says.

Other companies inside and out of California are likely to follow suit. The increase in remote working over the past two decades has made it easier for companies to find workers anywhere.

It’s a shame, really. Homelessness and underemployment are real problems in that state.


1240, 26 December 2019


  1. Mar

    Silly question but what is a gig economy?

  2. steveegg

    The “gig” economy is a fancy name for the subset of those who use what could be “side hustles” as their main source(s) of income, especially those who work with web-based entities like Uber, Lyft, Airbnb, and Etsy.

  3. steveegg

    As for why localities are against the “gig” economy, it’s all about political donations and taxes.  The owners of Uber/Lyft/Airbnb don’t donate to local Democrats like the owners of cab companies and hotel franchisees (they donate to national Democrats), and the gigs avoid most of the taxes imposed on taxis and hotels.

  4. Kevin Scheunemann

    I agre this is all about Lyft/Uber/Airbnb not kissing the ring of liberal thugs in California.

    Totally disgusting.

    Taking opportunity away from the little guy!  That is what liberals do: rob people of opportunity.   It’s the moral equivalent of kicking a puppy.   Since liberals are naturally immoral, probably does not phase them kicking the puppy over and over again.

  5. Mike

    These jobs also allow someone to try being their own boss as a side job, without the risk or investment required to open a business.

  6. Kevin Scheunemann

    Nord and jiffy are awfully silent about this liberal disgust.

    You would think they would have the morality to choke out a minimum, “this law was ill-considered”, or a famous”unintended consequence” Forrest Gump liberals could never see.

    My guess is: neither of them have the morality to speak against this disgusting law.

  7. jjf

    I dunno, Le Roi, let’s set up an unregulated homemade custard stand on the sidewalk outside of Kevin’s DQ and let’s see how he reacts to our gig economy.  I think he’d be calling the regulators before I could unpack my scoop.

    Yeah, right, Owen, all those homeless would be saved by new side hustles.

  8. Kevin Scheunemann


    Whatever trips your trigger. Where are you going to get the electricity to drive the freezer compressors? Otherwise, you will only be in business an hour…max. no need to call anyone, your idiocy about infrastructure will destroy you soon enough. And technically, the sidewalk is my property in public right of way. You would be committing a trespass.

    I knew you would come out in favor of this legislative filth. Not surprised at your immorality. I guess making things convenient through Uber and Lyft is too much prosperity… people must he controlled.

    Awful. Just awful.

  9. jjf

    We use dry ice.  It’s your sidewalk?  Really?  I can’t protest out there?

    I didn’t come out in favor of anything.  Don’t know enough about it, frankly.  But you do, of course.

  10. Le Roi du Nord


    As soon as k made the “The leftist idiots” claim (his first three words on this thread) I knew there was no sense in getting too wound up in something I don’t much give a hoot about.  I won’t be a gig employee in the future, but I guess I was in the past as an independent contractor.  But back then I paid my taxes, followed the rules as applied to the work I performed, and everybody was happy.

    As far as setting up shop scooping ice cream (we’ll use the real stuff) from the sidewalk in front of k’s place of business, I’m all in.  I have an old Generac generator (made in WI) we can use, but I’ll saw off the muffler to drown out all the whining coming from the adjacent operator.  And I can use my past experience (I was working at our family soda fountain long before k was conceived) and we will surely be a success.  Maybe we can talk WEDC out of a multi-billion $$ grant..

  11. Kevin Scheunemann


    When “commercial speech” is elevated to same protected rights as political speech on the sidewalk…let me know, I got some real humdinger, ridiculously restrictive sign ordinances to blow apart in neighboring communities for violating my first amendment rights….

    Nothing says “yum” and “food safety” like some liberal urchin, like yourself, peddling ice cream, next to dry ice, out of the trunk of your rusty Chevy.

  12. Kevin Scheunemann

    So Nord,

    Sounds like a passionate side job, wouldn’t you be violating the California law by distributing Cedar Crest, or whatever ice cream you choose, by being an “independent contractor” in front of my establishment?

    So you are against this California liberal legislative filth?….why can’t you just say that rather than demonstrating it with your joint partnership idea with jiffy?

    It is OK to denounce liberal policy disgust.   I do it all the time!

  13. Le Roi du Nord

    No, since we won’t be in CA.

    Yes, we know, you are disgusting all the time.

  14. Kevin Scheunemann


    But I want you to live by this California law that you stand by.

    Unless you denounce it….then you will be morally consistent.

  15. jjf

    Garsh, Le Roi, I think what Kevin’s saying is that he hates free enterprise, he hates the gig economy, he wants to use government favors to squash his competition.

    Or we can protest his low-fat “ice cream” with placards at the same time, thereby blurring the line between commercialism and free speech, you know, similar to placing incendiary political hand-written signs in our windows proclaiming how holy we are.

  16. dad29

    I paid my taxes

    That “tax” stuff also plays a big part in Gummint-squelch of gigs.  Gummints like to get their money the easy way:  witholdings.   If they have to send collectors the Gummint take is reduced.


  17. jjf

    And for those playing at home, alternative capitalized spelling of “Gummint” means he’s a Serious Man of Ideas, and he knows what’s what. I think he’s just winking at evaders.  See, some taxes are fair, some can be skirted because you think you won’t be caught.

  18. Le Roi du Nord


    Where did I say anything about “But I want you to live by this California law that you stand by”  ??   Why must you be soooooo dishonest in pursuit of your ill-informed and narrow-minded authoritarian agenda?

  19. Kevin Scheunemann


    So standing by this law is a “hatred of free enterprise”?

    I agree! Will you join me in denouncing this disgusting liberal CA law?

    What is so hard?

  20. Kevin Scheunemann


    Do you want to sell ice cream in front of my shop,or not?

    You cannot do this under this CA law? So that means you must be opposed to this disgusting liberal law?

    What is so hard?

  21. jjf

    Kevin, what’s it like for someone to make crazy examples and suggest that you must be complicit with some extreme position?

  22. Le Roi du Nord


    While I didn’t read the CA law in it’s entirety ( and I am sure you read none of it), I don’t see anything that would prohibit our operation as a small business. And we would provide any employees with health and retirement benefits, and a livable wage. And we would only sell real, high quality ice cream made by small union shops located in WI, from BGH free herds, rotationally grazed, preferably Brown Swiss. The only drawback to the operation would be interference from the fascist village president desiring to keep out any competition.

  23. Kevin Scheunemann


    You were the one that ran with the “unregulated hommade ice cream stand” in front of my DQ.   I ran with your example as application…now you are hacked off at applying your example to the disgusting liberal law in California?

    Can anyone have a conversation with you that includes reason?

  24. Kevin Scheunemann


    While I assume you would be scooping hard ice cream from a chest freezer in your little fictional endeavor like Cedar Crest…what prevents you, as a distributor of Cedar Crest, from being an “employee” of Cedar Crest vs. an independent contractor, if you did this consistently under this oppressive California law?

    You see, an “employee” of Cedar Crest would never be allowed to run such a slip shot operation…so Cedar Crest would never let you set up…or employ you.

    (I would never worry about you being in business for long.   Don’t know how you are going to pay “living wages”, retirement, health benefits, etc from a slip shot operation,with no hope of getting a health permit, and with no access to the power grid…)

  25. Le Roi du Nord


    You are assuming I would use cedar crest even though I said I would use something else(see above). Which again begs the question; can you read?

  26. Mar

    Le Roi, you apparently confused contractor vs employee.
    Must be your old age?

  27. Le Roi du Nord

    And the term you are struggling with is, “slip shod”. Were you able to read you could look it up.

  28. Kevin Scheunemann


    The ice cream brand is irrelevant.

    We are talking about the liberal disgust of California law. You seem to be against it in your budding ice cream enterprise.

    Can you come out against the moral filth this law represents?

    Or will you stay in the closet about the filth?

  29. jjf

    Kevin, how little should someone be willing to work for?  How low should the minimum wage be, how few benefits and protections should be in law?

  30. Kevin Scheunemann


    As little as they are in willing to do the work. If I write an article for Vox that takes me 5 hours and they pay me $25 for it, my choice. Maybe, I do it as a “side gig” once a week for experience and fun.

    Why should you interfere with your big, nanny nose in my business?

    Heck, I will write any article on the mental illness that is liberalism for free.

  31. jjf

    So what does your example have to do with the CA law?

    If Vox set your hours and you were working for them 20, 30, 40 hours a week, is it the same?

  32. Kevin Scheunemann

    I wouldn’t want Vox to set my hours. Plus Vox had hundreds of freelancers, now they have less than 25 staff because of new law.

    Guess what happened to the rest?

    …and try to be sensitive to those you are crapping on with your law.

  33. Le Roi du Nord


    Correct, the brand of ice cream is irrelevant, so why are you so concerned about it?  And no, I would be a successful small business.

    And no, the CA law doesn’t apply in this scenario, as it is happening in your town in East Central WI.  That was pointed out at the onset of this hypothetical situation.  Again begging the question; can you read?

  34. Kevin Scheunemann

    So you are not going to come out of closet and denounce this law while you suggest independent contractor opportunity in front of my establishment?

    Thy name is hypocrite.

  35. Le Roi du Nord

    Nope, never spent much time in closets.  I’ll leave that to you.

    No, the name is Le Roi du Nord.  You really need to get the hang of reading.

  36. Mar

    This is a good example of liberalism vs conservatism.
    In theory, this can be a good law. Who wants underpaid workers?
    That is the liberal standpoint.
    But the reality is that this hurts people who just want to get ahead or gain experience.
    This theory vs reality.
    Obamacare was like this.
    Climate change is like this.
    Most liberal vs conservative arguments are like this.
    Theory vs reality.

  37. Kevin Scheunemann

    You liberals are all the same, I give you the chance to denounce the immorality of this awful legislation, but you pass and embrace the immorality by making Red Herrring comments rather than address your immorality.

    Awful. Just awful.

  38. Le Roi du Nord

    “You liberals are all the same”

    No k, we aren’t.  But you just keep believing that nonsense.

    And I don’t think this is awful legislation.  It is a duly enacted law passed by a duly elected legislature representing the people in CA.  If you don’t like it why don’t you move to CA, take up residency, vote for folks that will repeal it, and then wallow in your success?

    highly educated mar:

    Obviously you don’t know much about the scientific method.  Climate Change isn’t a theory, it is reality.

  39. Kevin Scheunemann


    At least you finally embrace the liberal policy shame.

    It’s disgusting you rob opportunity from poor people, but at least you are finally honest about your liberal shame.

  40. Le Roi du Nord


    No, you don’t get to blame me for your intolerance.

    And no, I have never robbed anyone from an opportunity.  You are lying about that.

    What you really should do is grow up, and act like a rational adult instead of a petulant child stomping your foot and demanding that everyone bend to your will.  It really isn’t becoming for a man of your  age.

  41. Jason

    >No k, we aren’t.

    Glad to see you’re finally honest enough to stop pretending to be a conservative. That lie was transparent from day one Leroy.

  42. Kevin Scheunemann


    I was hoping you would be against the legislative filth robbing people of opportunity and join me in denouncing it.

    I was only petulant about your inability to take a clear stand on the filth.

    It is now clear you roll around in it.

    Also, agree with Jason’s comments. We got you to admit what you are, instead of this endless pretend by you that you are not a liberal.

  43. Le Roi du Nord


    In your mind anything or anybody  you disagree with is “filth”.  Such intolerance is unbecoming, and no doubt a symptom of your intentional and aggressive ignorance.

  44. jjf

    Mar, where would you like the line to be?  No regulation of relations between workers and employers?  No ability for states to experiment with laws that might be different from your state?

    The story says:

    The law approved by the California Legislature in September codifies a 2018 ruling by the state’s Supreme Court that said workers misclassified as independent contractors lose rights and protections including a minimum wage, workers’ compensation and unemployment compensation. 

    Which of those do you disagree with?  Can you imagine that businesses and workers might find ways to skirt the laws to their benefit, and that the courts and then the legislature might need to tweak the lines?

  45. Kevin Scheunemann


    When you prevent people from choosing to work part time, when they want…that is immoral filth.

    What else would you call standing in the way of opportunity, especially for minorities?

    You need to get your priorities straight.

  46. jjf

    Simple question, Kevin:

    Independent contractors and freelancers have long been a sore point for federal and state officials who contend that many of these workers are doing work that employees do. When employers classify workers as independent contractors, they avoid taxes including the 6.2% of salary and wages companies must pay for Social Security and Medicare. Employers must also pay for workers’ compensation and unemployment and disability insurance.

    How would you differentiate between contractor and employee?

  47. Kevin Scheunemann


    I would  give people option to participate in social security system or not….then we would not have to care about that distinction and stop hurting people.

    Naturally i would “opt out” of social security becuae liberals are horrible at handling my money.

  48. Le Roi du Nord


    k doesn’t let the facts get in the way of his outrage. We all should know that by now.

  49. Kevin Scheunemann


    What “facts” would you be alluding to? You deny the fact the liberal VOX essentially fired HUNDREDS of free lancers because of this law?

    Are you in denial in your delusion?

  50. jjf

    Kevin, why are you worried?  You’re opposed to any required benefits for workers – no more Social Security, no more minimum wage, no unemployment benefits.  Why not expend your energy on convincing other people of the validity and soundness of your propositions?

  51. Le Roi du Nord


    In case you hadn’t noticed, those folks at Vox were independent contractors, not employees.  Big difference.  And you claim I am delusional.  Ha !

  52. Kevin Scheunemann


    Point is: law prohibits them from working now.

    How stupid are you?

  53. Le Roi du Nord


    Point is:   No, it doesn’t.

    Obviously not nearly as much as you.

    You can disagree with the intent or purpose of the law.  That is your right.  But to willfully misrepresent it (“Point is: law prohibits them from working now”) is a great example of how you feed your pathological need to be right, and anyone that disagrees with you, or presents facts to the contrary, is wrong and stupid.   Does calling someone else stupid make you feel better? Smarter? Like a bigger, tougher man? Is that the way you were brought up?  Taught at school?  Or is that the way your religion instructs you to act?


  54. Kevin Scheunemann


    Did you read article I posted at top?

    If you didn’t, read it now. You will realize how delusional your last comment is.

  55. Le Roi du Nord


    Yes I read it several times.  Did you?  Nowhere does it say that the ” law prohibits them from working now”.  It does describe a business decision that Vox made regarding how employment and independent contractors would be handled.

    Perhaps you could quote the part that says that the “law prohibits them from working now”.  Facts are always a bonus.  And choosing sources with less intentional bias would also increase your credibility.

    Have a great New Year!

    Go Bucky, pluck the Ducks!!

  56. Kevin Scheunemann


    When the business has to get rid of their freelance business model because of the law…that is immoral.

    You are interfering with contractual relations and destroying opportunity.

    It is especially juicy in this case because VOX lobbied for the law.

    You are fond of screaming “hypicrite” when it does not exist….why do you not scream “supreme hypocrites” at VOX?

    Is it because you excuse liberal stupidity?

  57. Le Roi du Nord

    Where is it say that?

    The word you are struggling with is “hypocrite”, and it applies to those like you who rationalize any situation for self-aggrandizement.

  58. Jason

    >Where is it say that?

    Showing off your superior spelling and grammar again I see.

  59. Le Roi du Nord

    I had to dumb it down for the audience.  Enjoy.

  60. Jason

    Another transparent lie from the long nose of the north.

  61. jjf

    Which way would you like it to be, Jason?  Smart people bad or smart people good?

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