HURLEY (AP) — Six months after dropping its controversial nickname, a northern Wisconsin high school has a new moniker.
The Hurley School Board decided to drop the Midgets nickname in January, after scrapping the idea of having a community vote on whether to dump the mascot. After a months-long community engagement effort and dozens of nominations, the team will now be known as the Hurley Northstars.
Liberal PC insanity strikes again.
k:
How so? What makes it insanity (other than your opinion)?
The fact that leftists are turning simple English words into something that is verboten!
The leftist cult has a twisted, sick, sense of subjective morality. They can kill babies unborn and born in New York and cheer, but use the word “midget” and leftists lose their collective minds!
Liberalism a morality that makes no sense, has no reason, can look back at something you did decades ago and impose its twisted judgement on you, has no forgiveness, has no mercy, and worst of all, has no soul or conscience. It is a continuing evil looking to tear down Christianitu and Country.
Liberalism as mental illness, or awful cancer eating the country, is the only reasonable conclusion.
Oh, Prince of Irony!
So the Bible tells you what to name your sports teams, too?
After reading about this, the name change seems legitimate because they really don’t know the history of the nickname.
But the way they went about it was wrong, the board said they would put it before the community but reneged on this because they knew they would lose. So, the board shoved this down the community’s throat. My guess is that some school board members will lose their position in the next election.
jjf,
I am just undergirding the irony of what leftist morality is these days: total outrage if some snowflake is slightly put out by the word “midget”…but cheer disproportionate black baby killing in New York as no big deal.
Liberalism is a sick, perverted, godless morality that has no logic, no coherency, no mercy when someone runs afoul of the moving “gotcha” morality.
So I ask: is the word “midget” now a verboten slur in the godless liberal morality?
I am seriously asking. And if it is, who is setting this new godless liberal morality, declaring parts of the dictionary verboten for the rest of? (Just trying not to run afoul of this new godless secular religion….)
No religion involved, just a decision by the elected school board. If the voters in the school district vote out those members so it goes, democracy in action.
Again, why must you use religion in attempt to vilify things you can’t or won’t take the time to understand?
How about the name changes at Kewaunee? Seymour? Is the name of the Oconto team an affront to christianity?
Nord,
None of those names are an affront to Christianity. Neither is “midget”.
But they do seem to be an affront to the godless leftists and their weird morality.
I just want to know…why is “midget” sudenly verboten to speak out loud, but killing babies is openly cheered by similar type leftists in New York?
Please disclose the secular leftist moral code…so we can all know what it is, so we don’t “step in it” so to speak.
Or do you enjoy having a constantly shifting moral code looking to ridicule people at the drop of the hate for using words like “midget”? How much of the dictionary is verboten?
I am seriously asking!
Clearly we should put the Christians like Kevin in charge of all of this. He knows which words are appropriate and which aren’t. Changing perceptions about something as important as the name of a high school sports team shouldn’t be put to a vote or decided by locally elected officials! Not when there are such important stakes! High school sports teams names must be exciting. Can’t be boring! High school sports are important!
Or we could ask around, see how people feel about it, then ignore them because the Bible tells us so.
Jjf,
Typical. You avoid the question.
What words are verboten in PC lexicon to be mascots these days?
And what are the objective PC values driving these ridiculous debates?
No Christian had a fit about “midgets”. This was all PC snowflakes dusting this issue up.
I just want to know what words are verboten in dictionary in PC leftist religion?
Why is transparency so hard in your leftist PC cult?
k:
Clearly you don’t know much about the names (or former names) of the teams I mentioned. Once again making claims without any knowledge, or even an interest in acquiring some.
jjf:
Exactly, k should be in charge of everything even if he knows nothing about the topic at hand.
Many terms have become “verboten” in the past decades. I worked with the mentally retarded, intellectually disabled, cognitive disabled and who knows what the term is now.
Midget has long been “verboten”. Little people, is I believe the term they use now or maybe something else.
Look at liberals. Now they are progressive and a few other labels.
It is silly to change the terms so many times because someone doesn’t like the label. But it happens. Nothing to with religion but it cannot be disputed that liberals are behind the name changes.
Mar,
It is a godless religion of “tolerance”. We are commanded to bend to every last person who might be offended by something, somewhere. It is a crazy religion, with crazy, subjective demands and a twisted morality.
We are demanded to conform to the “gotcha” morality in everything we do.
Nord is a chief priest in the subjective religion of secular humanism. He rails against objective truth, but will demand you adhere to the subjective PC outrage mentality running around like a headless chicken screaming “offended, offended”! While at same time, his fellow liberal ilk will cheer signing a bill in New york killing babies-post birth!
I don’t listen to godless liberals, and their secular morality—I expose it for the evil it is.
Why can’t any of you liberals simply give us a list of the verboten words and phrases, in your morality, so we can rip them from the dictionary intrue Orwellian fashion?
Why must we play this guessing game?
I am seriously asking for the list.
It’s just too crazy, thinking that people should be able to decide how they want to be described, and then ask for it.
Why shouldn’t we be able to tell them how they’re supposed to feel about the ways we want to show them who’s on top, like giving them a pet name?
“Orwellian fashion,” oh, Kevin, you slay me. Fake news! We’ve always been at war with Eastasia! Now Kim and Putin are our best buds, and the GOP agrees, they’ve always felt that way!
jjf,
So when do we change nicknames? 1 person being offended?
“Midgets” is not a dirty word.
Are you saying midgets is a slur?
I am not seeing the issue here on why it needs to changed, other than liberal PC morality run amock.
k:
When you can’t pose a rational reality-based argument you go right to religion as a weapon. You accuse me of being “a chief priest in the subjective religion of secular humanism”, in spite of all the evidence to the contrary.
Back to the topic at hand (you remember what it is, right?). The elected school board in Hurley made a decision to re-name the school mascot. You assumed without any evidence that it was caused by liberal insanity. Unless you can prove otherwise, liberalism, insanity (well, maybe on your part), nor religion were involved in the decision. Why must you be so dishonest with both the folks that read you nonsense, and with yourself? I truly feel sorry for someone possessing such low self-esteem.
I like the name Northstars.
Good idea to change the name. I guess it would be no different if a team had the name
Darkies, Coons, Wops, Nads, Teabaggers. It’s just sometimes a better name could, and probably should be used.
PT Barnum popularized the name midget and is associated with freak shows.
Kev, maybe you didn’t read my link in my 12:15 comment.
I don’t see anything there about liberals or PC or forcing anything down your throat or their desire to put you on your knees.
jjf:
Since k isn’t a member of the LPA he has no empathy toward their situation. The plight of others is of no concern to him, only his sense of the infallibility of his absolute truth.
So you 2 are saying “midgets” is a slur?
Wow.
What if “little people” becomes a slur, we give into that as well?
At some point, people just need to get a life and get over it. Common, simple, English. terms should not be unilaterally categorized as a slur because 2 people got together and put out a press release.
It is utterly ridiculous.
So not only do thye want people to stop using it, they want to “abolish” the word?
that is insane.
I’m offended by the terms “climate change”, “global warming” and “white privilege”, and “toxic masculinity”…can I put out a press release telling people how deeply offended I am by these terms and demand these terms be abolished?
That is the sick morality you are supporting…a heckler veto on everyday English terms.
Before you genuises decide “midget” is a “slur”, do you know how many great pieces of literature use that term?
Do we re-write the great pieces of literature?
Or do we burn the book?
Anxious to hear which way you go.
There wasn’t enough fuel for your outrage, so you want to get worked up about the idea of someone asking to abolish a word?
I can’t believe you gave the word “midget” much thought before Owen’s post, and you immediately tar the news item with all your favorite prejudices, and now you’re defending the wisdom of purposefully using a term for people where those people have asked you to please not to. WWJD?
As for great literature, doesn’t your favorite book talk quite a bit about slavery and rape and genocide?
Author Neil Gaiman suggested a replacement for another phrase…
Jjf,
It is a clear lack of respect to everyone else, when one demands an entire word be abolished from the dictionary because one is too delicate to handle a word describing size.
So can I demand an end to the phrases I suggest.. since you have embraced the PC insanity?
“I’m offended by the terms “climate change”, “global warming” and “white privilege”, and “toxic masculinity”…can I put out a press release telling people how deeply offended I am by these terms and demand these terms be abolished?”
Yes you can. And, you can use any, and every offensive word, name, phrase, in the public sphere that you wish. In fact, I encourage you to do just that. I suggest to get your point across that you put a gigantic sign outside both your DQs announcing you proudly serve midgets.
Yeha, Kev. It’s all about respect. They’re not respecting you enough. That’s what it’s all about. I think you’ve got it! I think he’s got it!*
*Show-tune reference here just for Owen and me
Pat: Fresh midgets, frozen midgets, or that stuff that kinda tastes like midgets but doesn’t really contain enough midget to be called midget by the FDA? Because we are talking about DQ here, not Culver’s.
jjf,
Can you make me a list of all these PC offensive terms…or is this just excrement you decide on the fly. …ohhh…is “excrement” verboten?
The fact that a small group of people demand an entire word be abolished…and we are suppose to accomadate…you don’t see something wrong with that?
Did you know there are 3 other definitions of “midget” besides refering to a small person?
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/midget
Are these other uses now verboten…or a slur?
Pat,
Why would I hang a sign like that? Everyone is welcome at my DQ. Even those with a small mind.
It’s pretty simple, Kev. You don’t need a list. It’s not about sand flies, it’s not about small chairs, this was about people.
If a person asked you to please stop calling them by a term, would you stop, or would you keep going just to be a Kevin?
Kevin asks, “Why would I hang a sign like that?”
Probably for the same reason you hung a sign on your door announcing your restaurant is politically incorrect. To prove by displaying a sign to the world that you don’t bend to the PC religion.
I guess to be all inclusive you could say proudly serving everyone including midgets.
Or you could include on your “This restaurant is politically incorrect” door sign the name Midgets. You might make the news again with that.
Pat,
My sign is there to provide a “natural safe space” for people who love God and Country. It is indicating “It is Ok to express your Christianity and love of USA here”.
It is about being inclusive and welcoming in a harsh liberal world that hates both God and Country. Those that hate, are still welcome, but they have been served the “trigger warning” that love of God and Country will be openly expressed on premises. They can ignore that expression, in their hate, or decide to leave. But we will not stifle love of God and Country expression on premises, as PC liberals usually demand in the rest of society.
So you miss the point of my sign completely. It is about being welcoming and thanking for the blessings God has provided, especially through this Country. It is a celebration of everything that makes the Country great!
It is also a refreshing stop for those weary of being attacked for their love of God and Country. Customers know they will not be attacked for their love of God and Country at my business, and be celebrated. Customers love that kind of open embrace of basic values and decency. PC liberals have turned this into the greatest marketing tool ever. It was just meant to be a door sign between me and my customers…now it is a world famous destination drawing people in everywhere. Even corporate DQ people have acknowledged Kewaskum DQ has the most buzz and is the most known DQ in the system. That was not my goal, but the natural result of harnessing this PC hate of basic decency for good. I always do my best to to stand for what is good and right.
jjf,
I am confused. How is a school nickname calling a specific person a “midget”.
Usually a nickname refers to an entire school, or sports team. Did they have an entire team of “midgets”?
This goes far beyond one person asking they be addressed by a different term, this is assigning an “evil intent” to the term itself. When you make a term like this an “objective evil” without regard to use and intent…that sounds like an absolutist PC religion to me.
Nord, says there are no objective absolutes. Are you saying Objective truth exists now? Just curious.
Kevin,
And I support your right to display your sign.
I’m glad your establishments are world wide destinations because of your refusal to bend to the PC religion. I’m just saying you could take it one step further and have it become a world wide destination for Midgets. Maybe you could include your sign to say that it’s a safe space for Christian Midgets to help your DQs become a worldwide destination for Midgets. Just think of the increased business and revenue.
Better yet, you could have drawings of biblical characters as Midgets to make it even more welcoming for the dwarfs.
How about s special Hobbit theme night?
Kevin said:
Whew, had me excited there for a minute, I thought you’d finally figured out your inner turmoil.
Here’s the story of another school district in WI with a “midget” mascot and they are keeping him for now. Big place. Go there, Kev! Open another DQ!
Or we can read why Hurley said they changed.
No invented accusations of absolute evil as far as I can see, but hey, whatever tightens your shorts…
Those darn liberals, relativists one minute, absolutists the next! It’s like they’re absolutists about their relativism, and relativists about their absolutism!
k:
Nope, I never ever said that. Why do you feel the need to fabricate things so easily proven wrong? Nature? Nurture? Illness?
Pat,
Midgets are covered by my existing sign. All are welcome.
Unlike liberals, I really don’t care about external superficial things, more interested in quality of character.
So your suggestion smacks of typical liberal sorting by superficial characteristics, like skin color.
Nord,
So you now accept “objective/absolute truth”?
You send mixed signals.
“Unlike liberals, I really don’t care about external superficial things, more interested in quality of character.”
So that’s why you support Trump.
Pat,
I did not support him enthusiastically in 2016. In fact, I was close to being “never Trump” voting for president is both a character and policy evaluation.
When voting for president, Hillary’s character and policy represented an evil I could not let the country fall into. So I voted for Trump to save country from clutches of Hillary. You can thank me for helping to save the country with my vote.
Trump has been pleasantly surprising governing as much more of a conservative than I expected. I am a good bet to vote Trump in 2020, if things continue in there current prosperity.
He has flaws in his character, but I ignore (and have compassion toward Trump) the savage insensitivity the left has thrown at him unfairly.
It is hilarious, we all have to bend to be sensitive around the word midget because one person complained, but lefties can be total brutal jerks to anyone that does not agree with them.
Modern day liberalism is a sick, twisted mental illness that no one can ever comply unless they are a mental zombie.
“It is hilarious, we all have to bend to be sensitive around the word midget because one person complained”
You don’t have to bend. And I highly doubt the word midget will be removed from the dictionary, just as you can still find the word nigger there.
Pat,
But this school district action here adds to the idiotic stigma being attached to this term.
Thats why I want to know…. from the PC crowd…make a list of terms that get your dandruff up…so we can be transparent about PC outrage over simple words, or terms, in the English language.
Maybe a “counter verboten dictionary”, that can be attached to the dictionary?
Our culture is a total sewer because of PC liberalsim.
Kevin,
Our culture is a sewer because of the partisan bullshit that is spewed by both sides. And you play right into it, and promote it. Give yourself the credit you deserve. I do.
k:
Nope, these are your words, not mine: “So you now accept “objective/absolute truth”?”.
Why won’t you answer the question: Is your chronic lying the result of nature, nurture, pathology? Or perhaps you are emulating your hero in the WH (11000 and counting) ?
Kevin said, “But this school district action here adds to the idiotic stigma being attached to this term.”
I guess that school district can pretty much do as it pleases. If the voters up there don’t like it they can make their voices heard at the ballot box. Or, you could move up there and make it your full time job to shame them.
Pat,
Problem with school district action: it makes a horrible example for the kids.
Nord,
Then get clear: “do you accept absolute truth”? Ot not?
You keep going back and forth on it.
Kevin says, “Problem with school district action: it makes a horrible example for the kids.”
How so?
Pat:
k doesn’t like democracy when decisions are made that don’t agree with his ideology.. He wants autocratic rule based solely on the Rule of k.
k:
2+2=4 is an absolute truth. Your version seems to be whatever you want it to be to aid your self-serving and factually challenged proclamations. And like I have told you numerous times, you don’t get to put words in my mouth.
“Problem with school district action: it makes a horrible example for the kids.”
Dayne Stuhr, who served on the committee as a high school senior and has since graduated, said the group took its job seriously.
‘‘A mascot isn’t just a name,’’ Stuhr said. ‘‘At least for us, it means something more.’’
A recent graduate who served on the committee, Ally Rye, agreed with the move and said the new name resonates with her.
‘‘Like a North Star up in the sky, you can always find your way back home to it,’’ she said.
According to the kids, it doesn’t. k is just making up more of his self-serving BS>
Pat,
It says we will cave to even the dembest demand. Lesson: “whiners win!”
Horrible lesson.
“It says we will cave with the dumbest demand”….
Nord,
2+2=4 is not absolute truth if you are on a base 3 counting system.
Nord,
What do you expect from the front person hand selected to be on this mascot picking committee?
Of course they are not going to talk about the whiners that put them in that position to begin with. It makes them important to select the new mascot. It is like you quoting Richard Dawkins on the importance of Christian theology.
k:
Is that why the change is always wrong at your DQ’s?
So you have unilaterally changed the counting system to address your inability to deal with reality. Let’s see how that works out for you.
Kevin said, “It says we will cave to even the dembest demand. Lesson: “whiners win!””
Who is the “we” you reference? And how does this affect you personally?
k:
At least I provided quotes to refute your false contention. You have only provided your self-serving opinion. So what bogus story are you going to fabricate now????
Nord,
Just showing “the truth” you presented is not absolute…you should be more clear.
Never claimed I used a base 3 system in my organization.
Pat,
“We”, as the group politic, that caters to the PC whiners.
Nord,
Just pointing out your quote was off subject.
Except it wasn’t. Try again.
Kevin,
I still don’t understand why you’re giving yourself a self imposed wedgie over it. Just how does this affect you personally?
Pat,
I am “hyper-sensitive” to PC nonsense having to endure an international media feeding frenzy stemming from the awful intolerance of the PC whiners. This story sparks me off…the PC whiners are at it again.
Pat,
…but do appreciate the term “self-imposed wedgie”. :-)
Kevin,
A whiner calling out whiners.
Sounds like “hyper-sensitivity” is more of an issue with you than them. They’ve move on with rebranding. Again, how does this this affects you personally?
Owen:
See, this was far from boring !!
Pat,
I bias toward an inate freedom to use the English language without all the twisted insanty the PC movement represents.
If standing toward basic freedom for others makes me a “whiner”.
That is certainly better than the selfish whining of the PC thugs.
Le Roi, yeah, I think Kevin’s pathology is all about “owning the libs.” He didn’t give a whit about “midget” last week, now he’s in “total outrage” mode because of all the “total outrage” from Hurley, even though he cannot be bothered to consider what they actually did there, nor why.
The real question is, will Kevin make me a soft-serve cake for my gay wedding? Will he change his mind if I ask him to pipe a picture of a midget on it?
Owen’s one-word commentary is just that it’s “boring.” He wants entertainment! He thinks the new name isn’t entertaining enough – you know, like dancing midgets!
“Front person hand-selected to be on this mascot committee.” Oh, you slay me. Have you never volunteered to be on a committee? You think someone wanted to be in that position?
(My advice for serving on non-profit boards is to quickly nominate yourself to be vice-president. None of the actual work of secretary or treasurer, all the glory and groupies, and everyone will appreciate it when you take on simple delegated tasks from the president or executive director.)
So overall, Kevin, how’s that saving the country going so far?
jjf:
Agree. And k still hasn’t taken the time to realize that the decision was made by an elected local school board, not some feral pack of PC thugs sent to Iron County from the coast. . He gives new meaning to the old saw, “ignorance is bliss”.
Kevin,
And how does the name change affect you personally?
Pat,
So it has to affect me personally for me to make political comment as something good or bad?
Since when?
Nord,
What happens when school boards are “feral” liberals running in disjointed packs of jackals trying to subjugate their twisted morality on common sense?
Did I commit foundational religious heresy to PC jackals again?
Kevin,
So it doesn’t affect you personally. Glad we have that answer.
And who’s making this political that you feel you need to comment? Or are you attempting to make this political?
k:
But those school boards are elected by the voters, in this case in Hurley, and you don’t have much to say about it down in your neck of the woods. And that is the way it is supposed to work. You know, democracy in action. Or do you feel it is your right to force your will on the citizens of the Hurley SD? Sounds like a pretty authoritarian view point, especially coming from an alleged conservative, small-government kinda guy. But then hypocrisy has always been your strong point.
Kevin, how did you determine that the Hurley school board (and its committee) were liberal?
Pat,
You act like like it is verboten to make a political comment.
More PC on yout part?
You can assume every comment I make is political.
If you try to say you are non-political, above the fray somehow, that is also very political.
Nord,
Hurley school board can cow to PC thugs all they want. We are free to criticize public officials cowering to insanity.
I understand you embrace this liberal morality wholeheartedly. I just wish you would explain the morality of the PC religion to rest of us.
So far:
Killing born and unborn babies…that is OK.
Any use of term “midget”….worse than murder.
Would you like to add to the list of morality follow secular hippie religion the rest of us are expected to follow?
Looks like that self-imposed wedgie cut off the blood flow to your brain. Loosen up and try again, you aren’t making any sense… again.
Who said “midget” was “worse than murder”?
Kevin says, “You act like like it is verboten to make a political comment.”
Again, I didn’t think the name change was political.
And, I’m all for you being non-pc as you want.
jjf, Nord,
When you cave to a group that wants to “abolish” a term in the english language…that is over the top.
LPA, such a powerful lobby, working via insidious means of non-violent non-threatening action. Over the top!
Still didn’t give me a quote on my midget-themed gay wedding DQ ice-milk cake, though.
k:
Abolish is your word. Nobody else used it. Why the dishonesty?
Nord,
You need to have a PC liberal confab and get your story straight
If on July 10 at 7:04 pm posted the LPA statement where they demand “midget” be “abolish(ed)”.
I’ll accept your apology, again, for your false witness against me.
Jjf,
Dqcakes.com
There is a design your own cake option. No excuse for being lazy if you really want to live your liberalism.
Well, as in any word usage, “midget” and “abolish” have context and meaning. In what context did the LPA use the word, and what did they mean?
jjf:
Exactly. k has always struggled with the English language. He still keeps confusing weather and climate, and religion and science, even after all sorts of educational opportunities. It is a shame to waste a mind…
Jjf,
So you have PC spin on LGA statement?
“Abolish” really does not mean “abolish”?
Can’t wait to hear this twisted morality.
Nord,
That was not an apology to your awful charge
It’s obvious, Kevin. There’s only one conclusion that can be made. The LPA is full of people with twisted morality. Can you believe the things they ask?
Who do they think they are? So twisted!
k:
Why should I apologize for your lack of comprehension? And when have you ever apologized for any of your errors? When have you even admitted to making an error?
jjf,
If they would have left the statement to that…that is fine.
When they demand a word in english language, which has at least 3 other meanings…that is crazy town!
Giving in to crazy town is ridiculous.
Nord,
You said I was the only one that brought up abolishing the word midget. You accused me of dishonesty.
I pointed to LPA statement Jiffy posted above to blow apart YOUR DISHONESTY. It was right there for e veryone to see.
You should apologize.
k:
I can’t help you anymore. Everybody knows I’ve tried. I didn’t cave to anybody, and certainly not you. And I never used the word abolish. You brought it into the conversation: “When you cave to a group that wants to “abolish” a term in the english language…that is over the top”.
Nord,
You said,
“Abolish is your word. Nobody else used it. Why the dishonesty?”
LPA used it and their agenda is to abolish the word. PC liberals are cooperating with that crazy town agenda…that is the issue.
Interesting how you completely back tracked on your DISHONEST statement.
“Abolish” is not my word, and others DID use it. When jiffy posted the LPA statement, days ago, that is when the talk about “abolishing” midget from the dictionary started. there was absolutely no reason for your statement accusing me of bringing up the word “abolish”. You were dishonest. The evil PC leftists want to “abolish”, all I did was call out the evil.
I just asked for an apology for your overt dishonesty on that statement.
Guess you can keep waiting. Maybe it will prevent you from further episodes of foot-in-mouth.
Kevin,
In context this is what the LPA stayed:
“advocates to abolish the use of the word “midget”. The word “midget” was never coined as the official term to identify people with dwarfism, but was created as a label used to refer to people of short stature who were on public display for curiosity and sport.”
They didn’t say abolish from the dictionary. And the context they are referencing was using the word to describe individuals with dwarfism, not automobiles.
Pat,
That is not what their statements says.
You are taking a spin doctor interpretation.
Nord,
I just asked you to correct your lie about me.
If you want to stick by your dishonesty, that is on you.
I cannot turn you into a good person when you act badly.
Kevin,
Their statement doesn’t say they want it abolished from the dictionary. You’re playing spin doctor stating they did.
I emailed them requesting clarification as to the context of their statement. Otherwise both you and I are speculating.
Pat,
It said they wanted the term “midget” abolished, period.
There was no clause after that.
If we subject that statement to your expanded interpretation, the press release is poorly written.
It is not poorly written. It is written with a purpose.
This is precisely why it is a bad example to cave to this kind of PC stuff.
It is a absurdity stacked on top immoral absurdity.
Asking people to not call you midget is just fine and decent, to demand term be “abolished” is crazy town.
Kevin,
Hopefully they’ll get back to me with clarification as to the context of their statement.
So refraining to referencing individuals with dwarfism as midgets is an example immoral absurdity? I suppose refraining from referencing individuals with cognitive disabilities as retards is another example of immoral absurdity.
Pat,
I have no problem with anyone asking anyone, personally, to address be addressed with a certain term, or not be addressed with a certain term when it comes to basic decency.
However, it “jumps the shark” when the person, or small group, demands I never use the word again, even if the person is not involved in the future interaction where I use the word, or the 3 other meanings of the word. That is where I have a problem with the PC nonsense.
It is clear, even with clarification, LPA is demanding much more than personal interaction correction here.
Kevin,
I’ll let the LPA speak for itself. They more than likely know, and understand, what their true intentions are better than either of us.
Kevin,
Like I’ve previously said, you can use any word you like. I support you continuing to be as non-PC as you possibly can. In fact, I encourage you to continue to do so.
In the same respect, I support the Hurley school district, or any other school district, for what ever reason they see fit, to any name they freely choose, no matter what you or any one else thinks.
And if a group of individuals with dwarfism requests that I refrain from calling them midgets, I’m mature, and respectful enough, to oblige. You, and anyone else, are free to demonstrate how non-PC you are by continuing to call them midgets strictly for your political reasons.
Pat,
If LPA says they meant anything other than meaning to abolish the term, they should apologize for horrible wording of their press release.
Pat,
I was more concerned with the plight of the “Midget buffalo” in Indonesia. They are endangered. If some PC liberal group wants to save them with fundraising, are they verboten because “midget” has become a slur, thanks to the delicate feelings of LPA?
PC nonsense has consequence.
Let us never forget the oppression of Kevin by the twisted immoral delicate Little People of America. He should put another sign on every door of every one of his franchises!
jjf,
We are all oppressed when a random groups can decide, unilaterally, that common, non-threatening, words are verboten because they are a bunch of delicate daisies.
I am just sick of this attitude we have to curb basic speech people may not like, because someone, somewhere is offended, no matter how slight and stupid the offense is.
So if I take up the cause of the endangered “Midget buffalo” in Indonesia, am I using a slur?
You, or Nord, will not answer that one. Based on LGA statement, I am using a slur.
Kevin asks, “So if I take up the cause of the endangered “Midget buffalo” in Indonesia, am I using a slur?”
I doubt if Anoa really care what you call them.
Kevin asks, “So if I take up the cause of the endangered “Midget buffalo” in Indonesia, am I using a slur?”
I asked the LPA to address your question. Hopefully I’ll receive a reply.
Kevin, LPA has no power over you. They’re not the government, they’re not your pastor, they’re not your mommy and daddy.
You can keep being Kevin, and the only people who will notice will be the people around you, or of course you can say some things out loud that might attract lots of attention and/or national news crews, but hey, that’s your own-goal and not really the fault of the LPA or the gay ice-cream-cake brigade.
On the other hand, if LPA makes enough polite sense to enough people around you, and they successfully persuade enough people to change, then you’ll just be an outlier, a non-conformist, a rebel without enough social clues.
Keep saying the word “midget” at work, say it right to the short people, see what happens, put up a sign again, be brave, prove you’re right! You’ll show ’em! Look at this thread! Look at how your fellow conservatives have stepped up to defend you!
But as dramatic as you like to make it sound, no one’s truly curbing your speech. I dunno, does feigned outrage even count as “hurting your feelings?”
k:
The LPA (see above) said they, “advocates to abolish the use of the word “midget”. The word “midget” was never coined as the official term to identify people with dwarfism, but was created as a label used to refer to people of short stature who were on public display for curiosity and sport. Today, the word “midget” is considered a derogatory slur. The dwarfism community has voiced that they prefer to be referred to as dwarfs, little people, people of short stature or having dwarfism, or simply, and most preferably, by their given name.”
That is a far cry from your fact-averse claim, “We are all oppressed when a random groups can decide, unilaterally, that common, non-threatening, words are verboten because they are a bunch of delicate daisies”.
I am certainly not oppressed, offended, or even mildly concerned that the LPA prefers to be called something other than midget. Your outrage at a common sign of respect for persons other than what you are is another sign of your overbearing intolerance.
Nord, Pat, jjf.
If LPA member asket me not to call them midget, great. No problem.
I have an issue with their attempt to abolish all other uses! Nicknames, animals, etc.
Clearly Nord views any use as a slur. That is ridiculous and absurd.
“Midget Buffalo” hurts no one.
Kevin,
I’m still waiting to see what the, as you call them, bunch of delicate daisies, have to say in response to your statements.
k:
I didn’t say that. You are lying again.
Nord,
You support school board decision, they view it as a slur.
????
What crazy logic do you operate on????
Kevin,
You don’t consider the word midget a slur when used to describe an individual with dwarfism?
Just look at Kevin’s profile pic. He’s worked up about people using the rainbow.
k:
I support any decision made by an elected school board representing the citizens that elected them. That is democracy in action at the local level. What gives you the right to condemn an action taken by a local board several hundred miles from your jurisdiction?? Ego? Pathology? Authoritarian ideology?
Well Le Roi, as Kevin put it elsewhere, “The fact you stand with the evil bureaucrat interpretation speaks volumes about you, your war on property rights and hate of Cheistians. Awful. Just awful.”
It doesn’t matter how small – he’s ready and willing to tell you how awful you are, in volumes. What would Jesus do?
What would Jesus do?
I’m sure he’d mock little people by calling them delicate daisies, who have evil and immoral intentions.
To paraphrase from someone as despicable as k, “Laws are only for the little people”.
Apologies to Loretta.
Pat,
I told you that I have no problem if someone asks to be addressed in a certain way.
Making word “midget” a slur? That is a little ridiculous.
It is one thing to ask nicely one on one, it is another thing to demand all other uses be banned even if they have nothing to do with the aggrieved.
So “delicate daisies” to describe a fragile emotional state is now an issue?
Kevin,
Okay, you don’t consider the word midget a slur when used to describe an individual with dwarfism. That’s crystal clear.
T A S T E T H E R A I N B O W
Pat,
I do not consider the word a slur in any way. It is absurd to put midget in that category.
If someone of short stature does not want me to use that word to describe them, I am willing to accommodate.
I have a problem where we need to change names of sports teams, animals, etc. Because someone declared the word itself an innate evil.
It is abhorrent to a free society.
Kevin said, “I do not consider the word a slur in any way. It is absurd to put midget in that category.”
Yah. You said that multiple times. And I’ve said you can continue to be as non-PC as humanly possible. You’re free to be that way.
“I do not consider the word a slur in any way. It is absurd to put midget in that category.”
And there are people who feel the same about words like nigger, polock, dago, spic, wop, wetback, spearchucker, boy.
Anyone who feels those are slurs can go back to where they came from. It’s abhorrent to a free society to feel differently, right?
Pat,
Context is always important in any of those terms.
“Boy” is not a slur in many contexts. But can be in certain contexts. The word, itself is not a slur.
The black community to has taken to lessoning the slur of the n-word. It seems if you are black, you can fling that word around recklessly, all the time, with no consequence. It seems it would be only a slur in someone who is of another race says it. Then we get to white rappers who “act black”, can they say it? Not sure anymore. So even that word is being moved from slur to regular use.
That is why it is the height of arrogance to say any word should be “abolished”, even the most vile slur has become commonplace usage in black community. You want to take that away? That would be racism on your part. Personally, the n-word should remain a slur, but black community seems to be making it a common term. I think that is a mistake.
Who handed Kevin another shovel?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theroot.com/why-its-ok-for-black-people-but-not-white-people-to-u-1826255011/amp
So we can agree that if folks started referring to k as a mental midget he would be OK with it. Or does there need to be more context? I’m open to suggestion..
Nord,
Whatever you want.
Not going to call for you to be banned or the words to banned.
I have been called way worse, by liberals, like yourself.
I like to focus on issues, you like to focus on personal attack, which is the only intellectual ground liberalism has.
jjf,
Let the adults handle this.
k:
That was hypothetical. But you understood that right?
And no, you don’t focus on issues, you focus on name calling, authoritarian ideology, and falsehoods. See above.
Nord,
Humor me.
When was last time I name called you with a slur?
Exact quote please.
If I say “authoritarian ideology” I am referring to policy/ideas, not the person. There is a difference. Sorry if I did not draw a diagram.
k:
If you think I have the time or inclination to save your quotes you are, as usual, sadly mistaken.
But a short and far from inclusive list of the things you have called me would include: racist, hater, murderer, anti-christian, abortionist, stupid, idiot,etc., etc. I’m sure you can fill in the blanks.
And applying your authoritarian policies to the Hurley SD or the Madison zoning issues is what you seem best at.
And if your drawing is of the same quality as your prose, don’t waste your time, it would be indecipherable.
Nord,
Why don’t you try to find an actual quote rather than making stuff up again.
k:
This could go on for ever. You said those things, now you are backing off. And, like I said above, I don’t save your quotes. I have far more important things in my life than stroking your ego…
If Kevin learned something, I’ll take it as-is.
But if we want more to talk about, we could ask him what he means by “the black community.”
jjf,
It is just Nord misquoting me.
He can never find an actual quote backing up his dishonesty in describing my position.
So what is “the black community?”
Nope, you have called me all those things and more. Why get wobbly knees now?
And who was the RAAF (Revolutionary Army Air Force) that took over the British airports? Surely you must know that piece of history….
Quote one direct.
Did.