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2043, 21 Nov 21

Prayers for Waukesha

The unimaginable. Like many, I’ve been in and watched hundreds of parades – including many, many with my children and friends. I can’t imagine the evil that makes someone do this.

Police have said there were “some fatalities” after a car ploughed into a parade in Wisconsin.

Footage posted online shows a red sports utility vehicle (SUV) driving through a Christmas parade in the city of Waukesha, west of Milwaukee, at around 16:40 local time (22:40 GMT).

 

Police chief Dan Thompson said it hit more than 20 people including children.

 

He confirmed people had died but said they would not give details until family members had been told.

 

Mr Thompson said officers had recovered a suspect vehicle and a person of interest was in custody, but gave no further details. He added the investigation was “very fluid” and the injured has been taken to hospital by ambulance, police and family members.

Police fired at the car to try to stop it, he said. The FBI is assisting with the investigation.

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2043, 21 November 2021

49 Comments

  1. Mar

    I have a feeling this was a homegrown terrorist, perhaps due to the Rittenhouse verdict.
    If true, then the blame is squarely on the driver and liberals who fueled the fire with their lies and hatred in the Rittenhouse case.

  2. dad29

    Whatever else, he’s another beneficiary of Milwaukee County’s VERY lax judicial system.

    Free on bail, free on bail!! Thank DA Chisholm, I’m Free on Bail!!

  3. Mar

    Gee, a BLM supporter with a violent history out of jail for 2 days.
    The media is trying to cover it up a bit by saying he might have running a knitting.
    Yeah, right, go to the place where there is plenty of police coverage and police barricades and large crowds.
    I think not.

  4. jonnyv

    Mar, get out of here with all the Rittenhouse/BLM bullsh**. IF this is the guy who it is being claimed, and there is no reason to believe it isn’t, then he is a simple criminal. Possibly fleeing another incident, possible under the influence, etc.

    Even Rittenmoron just said he is a BLM supporter. So, get out of here with that crap. Lets wait to find out more details. See if there is a premeditated motive of any sort. Stop trying to paint people into a corner of your beliefs.

  5. Mark Hoefert

    @Johhnyv Mar, get out of here with all the Rittenhouse/BLM bullsh**

    I usually try to hold off on drawing conclusions based on internet chatter and memes, et al, but you will owe Mar an apology is this is proven to be true.

    A Red SUV Is Seen in a Rap Music Video Recorded by Brooks & He Posted About the Kyle Rittenhouse Verdict on Facebook. Brooks raps under the name MathBoi Fly. He had a YouTube channel with rap music videos, but it’s been deleted. A red SUV could be seen behind him in one of the videos.

    Heavy saved this music video before his account was deleted: (not putting the link here, as more than one hyperlink puts comment in moderation).

    On another MathBoi Fly Facebook page belonging to Brooks, in the name Jay Brooks, he wrote about the Kyle Rittenhouse verdict. That trial occurred about an hour away from Milwaukee and Waukesha.

    You like to use the term “Rittenmoron” – projection much? Or simply “pot calling the kettle black”?

  6. Tuerqas

    I agree, there are no sides yet. Remember how worked up you were when other people were painted as and convicted by liberals before the facts were released, Mar?
    The only political angle to shoot the metaphorical bullets at SO FAR is what DAD said above. We can indeed thank the liberal led charge to free criminals and alleged criminals at every step of the criminal system process and at the earliest possible moment. If our criminal justice system was currently being led by conservatives, this ‘incident’ would very likely not have happened, pure and simple. The leadership moves back and forth between the parties and it is events such as this that swings the pendulum.
    This is a tragedy that should make people first feel sorrow and sympathy for the victims and then reasonably consider the causes from multiple angles rather than the single political angle that polarized news sources will put out. 50% of yearly homicides are committed by repeat offenders. That is considered proven fact by the FBI. Liberals should actually think about that for once before they continue supporting their leader’s programs.

  7. Mar

    Obviously, Johnny you misunderstood what i.said.
    I didn’t mention anything personal about Rittenhouse. I said the thug used that as an excuse for what he did.
    As I said before, I highly doubt he was fleeing from a knife. You don’t go near where the cops are.
    High or drunk, I kind of doubt that because the videos I saw looked like the killing was on purpose.
    But since you ate a typical.liberal, you won’t hold those responsible for lying and fanning the flames I mean, look how much misinformation is out there and you fell for some their lies concerning Rittenhouse.

  8. Mar

    “Remember how worked up you were when other people were painted as and convicted by liberals before the facts were released, Mar?”
    Actually, that is false.
    With Rittenhouse shot the thugs, there were videos of the shooting out within a day or less. Did I get worked up, I honestly don’t remember but as it turns out I was right liberals like Johnny and Le Roi were wrong. And they still are.
    I could have gone off and said it was Muslim terrorism, but I researched what was online.
    As I told Dad earlier on his blog, but from I read, the judge may not have had a choice. For pending charges, he requested a speedy trial and the Staye could not do that because of the backlog of cases.
    And the thug is a violent criminal and supporter of BLM. And it cannot be argued that liberals fanned the flames and told outrageous lies, that even a smart guy like Johnny (not sarcasm) fell for the lies. You think that a violent thug and supports BLM was not I nfluenced?

  9. jonnyv

    Mark, I am not denying that it could be related to the Rittenhouse thing. But what Mar did was immediately equate BLM on this to skew the BLM supporters. There is no evidence that these are equated in any way. 3/4 of my FB Timeline are BLM supporters or people that think that Rittenhouse got away with murder. And they are middle class, highly educated, white folks who live in the city of Milwaukee. Mar is trying to disparage an entire movement based on the actions of the few (which may not have ANYTHING to do with this).

    Just because you are mostly Trump supporters, I don’t rope you in with the insane QAnon people who think that JFK Jr is coming back in Texas and waiting around for some sort of sign. I don’t rope you all in with the idiots that stormed the capitol and assaulted police officers or were calling to hang Mike Pence. Because you all understand that QAnon is a scam for suckers, right?

    My favorite part of that archive.md link is where it says, ‘The FBI will tell you…” because they are immediately trying to sway you into thinking there will be some conspiracy theory on this. When in actuality it will probably just be the simplest answer. Whatever that turns out to be. He could have been running from something, he could be pissed about Kenosha, he could have been high as a kite.

  10. Merlin

    Mathboi Fly chose the wrong county to express such devotion to his cause. Dude doesn’t have enough fingers and toes to count the number of charges he’s facing. Not likely to see bail set at an achievable number either.

  11. Mar

    Well, Johnny, those who support BLM are both communists and support riots and lootings.
    That’s what BLM stands for. That is a fact that cannot be denied.
    Whoever supports BLM is a radical who hates America.
    They are not middle of the road people.
    If you support BLM, you are a radical and really not worthy of a conversation.

  12. Mar

    “There is no evidence that these are equated in any way. 3/4 of my FB Timeline are BLM supporters”
    That really not that impressive. You don’t remind me of a communist or racist, which BLM is. I also believe you think that the murders in the inner city are a bad thing but BLM is silent.
    I think you would mourn a Black cop being killed in the line of duty. BLM is silent.
    You’re better than BLM, Johnny.

  13. Tuerqas

    “With Rittenhouse shot the thugs, there were videos of the shooting out within a day or less. Did I get worked up, I honestly don’t remember but as it turns out I was right liberals like Johnny and Le Roi were wrong. And they still are.”

    Actually, I was talking about older ones, but as i admitted my memory is leaving slowly. Who was that Hispanic that killed someone on his lawn (I think in Florida?) and the left had him convicted as a white racist or some other sort of righty extremist within 24 hours? I know we agreed that there were no facts yet and if it was the 1880s the lefties would have already had him lynched. I am just saying that in this case, we do not yet know if there is any kind of connection with Rittenhouse or BLM. Let’s wait, research, and see what the motives were and beliefs are of the perpetrator, before connecting it to a potentially false conclusion. You know, like what we would want and don’t get from most liberals:).

  14. dad29

    3/4 of my FB Timeline are BLM supporters or people that think that Rittenhouse got away with murder. And they are middle class, highly educated totally un-informed or stupid people.

    Fixed it for ya!!!

  15. Merlin

    -3/4 of my FB Timeline are BLM supporters or people that think that Rittenhouse got away with murder. And they are middle class, highly educated, white folks who live in the city of Milwaukee.

    There are reasons why traditionally structured courtroom justice and fluidly faddish social justice currently bear no resemblance to each other.

    Deception planners chose marks who are receptive to guided actions because of their willingness to extrapolate for unknown data. Highly educated, highly intelligent decision makers with very high confidence in their own decision making capabilities are prime targets. They aren’t deceived with lies and misinformation. They’re led to deceive themselves by employing their own experiences, biases, and prejudices to create ‘facts’ without evidence (data), thereby eliciting a desired behavior (decision). Essentially they get played by their own egos. Social media has become incredibly proficient at this.

  16. jonnyv

    So very early reports are that he was fleeing another domestic dispute when he ran into the parade route. This is completely believable in downtown Waukesha (possibly the WORST laid out city in WI. Oshkosh & Madison are close runner ups).

    So, a scumbag fleeing the police runs into a parade route. Once on the route, it is probably difficult to veer off to a side-street due to the people lining the street. And without regard to any human, he takes the path of least resistance.

    Clearly this is mostly speculation and third hand information right now. But we are starting to see that this probably had NOTHING to do with anything political. Just a criminal with zero regard for other people.

  17. Tuerqas

    Deception planners chose marks who are receptive to guided actions because of their willingness to extrapolate for unknown data. Highly educated, highly intelligent decision makers with very high confidence in their own decision making capabilities are prime targets. They aren’t deceived with lies and misinformation. They’re led to deceive themselves by employing their own experiences, biases, and prejudices to create ‘facts’ without evidence (data), thereby eliciting a desired behavior (decision). Essentially they get played by their own egos. Social media has become incredibly proficient at this.

    Merlin, that was the best description I have seen to date. And that describes a substantial majority of FB highly programmed, er, educated liberals I used to beat my head against. I still like the term ‘programming’ the best because how do they get their biases and prejudices and how are they all the exact same biases and prejudices among most ‘highly educated’ liberals? Education is the key term there, I think. I don’t do FB anymore except when my wife shows me the funny ones…

  18. Le Roi du Nord

    I wasn’t going to comment at all on the horrible situation, but since mar dragged me into it I need to respond.

    “…I honestly don’t remember but as it turns out I was right liberals like Johnny and Le Roi were wrong. And they still are.”

    Wrong again. You were wrong regarding why rittenhouse was acquitted, and are are still wrong. Man up and acknowledge your mistakes.

  19. Mar

    Wow, Johnny, you believe in anything.
    Do you also believe in the tooth fairy, Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny?
    If you think what you wrote, why would the thug go in the highest area where cops would be located? Why weren’t t he cops close to him? Why wouldn’t he try to get out of a bad situation for him but instead run into at least and mow down about 45 people? He drove at least 3 blockd on the parade rouroutes. He was being chased by the cops, how come cops went not after him? Why did he drive through police ba rricades?
    Yes, let’s blame te cops.
    Typical stupid liberal response. You are better than this, Johnny.

  20. Mar

    And Uneducated Le Roi adds nothing to the conversation other lying again.
    And again, tell us about you fake military experience. Do you feel.proud for lying about your fake mitary experience when you never served.
    Tell those who died and are buried in Arlington and other military cemeteries about your fake mitary service..

  21. jonnyv

    Mar, no where did I blame the cops. Nowhere did I say he was chased onto the route. It sounds like he was involved in a domestic dispute on Sunday and left the scene. Downtown Waukesha was designed by someone who spilled spaghetti on a map and just said, “Yeah, that will do for roads. And lets call a few of them Moorland/Moreland for more fun.” It isn’t easily to navigate. Now imagine you come up on barricades and police (meant for the parade not him). Maybe he feared being identified and arrested and just hit the gas, not knowing there was a parade beyond the barricades. At this point he is pot committed, you just drive to get away.

    I have NO idea what the exact circumstances were yet, I am sure we will hear about all of this in the next day or two. But again, my scenario makes more sense that he was avoiding being re-arrested while out on bond than he was some crazed BLM revenge-seeking person that you painted him out to be. We can speculate all we want, but ultimately we are just guessing and projecting at this point.

    Of course, if you are some kooky conspiracy minded person you will just think that even the official explanation is a cover to protect the BLM or some hair-brained thing. It seems very much in line with many on the right lately that they would rather believe some huge conspiracy against them, than the simple truths.

  22. Mar

    So, Johnny, if you committed a crime, you head downtown?
    Instead of getting on the freeway and heading home?
    You would bust down police barricades with numerous cops around and civillians
    And then go at least 3 blocks on the parade block?
    And instead avoiding people, you run down about 45 people?
    Please, tell.me another tale.

  23. Mar

    And Johnny: :So, a scumbag fleeing the police runs into a parade route.”
    There is no evidencevthe cops were chasing him. Again, the video shows no cop was chasing him

  24. dad29

    Downtown Waukesha was designed by someone who spilled spaghetti on a map and just said, “Yeah, that will do for roads. And lets call a few of them Moorland/Moreland for more fun.” It isn’t easily to navigate. Now imagine you come up on barricades and police (meant for the parade not him). Maybe he feared being identified and arrested and just hit the gas, not knowing there was a parade beyond the barricades. At this point he is pot committed, you just drive to get away.

    So you’re blaming the street layout for his hitting the gas and mowing down 50++ people?

    Really?

    A few months ago I thought you had more candlepower than LeeeeeeeeeeeeeRoy. Now…..well…..

  25. Jason

    >So you’re blaming the street layout for his hitting the gas and mowing down 50++ people?

    His theorizing on this convict’s state of mind and actions sure don’t jive with the MSM Rittenhouse lies he swallowed in vast gulps and regurgitated like a a momma dodo bird. After all, jv still thinks Rittenhouse transported his gun across state lines with the sole intent to murder some BLM retards.

  26. Mike

    “Just fleeing another incident”. He drove the entire parade route, over 3300 feet, that’s more than a half mile. This was intentional.

  27. jonnyv

    Dad29, do you have the reading comprehension of a pre-schooler. Maybe you have that brain fog from Covid?

    Nowhere did I blame the streets. But anyone who has driven there knows it is laid out like someone gave an infant a crayon and sheet of paper. But navigating those streets are not easy. I used to work in Waukesha and damn near needed Mapquest for most of that city. So the fact that he ran into the police barricade isn’t shocking, he probably knew one way through that city.

    Jason, your opinion is completely negated once you decided to use the R word as a derogatory term. Grow up.

  28. jonnyv

    Mar, if this was intentional he could have done so much more damage. From the videos I saw, it didn’t appear like he was aiming for the most amount of people, just going the path of least resistance, and sadly that included hitting many until he was clear.

    In don’t believe he drove the entire route, just the long straight street. There were 2 or 3 other turns. But I am not 100% sure on that.

  29. MjM

    JV is schizophrenic:

    First:”So, a scumbag fleeing the police runs into a parade route. “
    Then: “Nowhere did I say he was chased onto the route..”

    Next:” ….when he ran into the parade route. This is completely believable in downtown Waukesha (possibly the WORST laid out city in WI..”
    Then:” Nowhere did I blame the streets. ”
    Very next sentence:” But anyone who has driven there knows it is laid out like someone gave an infant a crayon and sheet of paper. ”

    Seek psychiatric care, Jonnymoron. Soon.

    Everything that occurred prior to this fine example of Leftisn/BLMism/Farrakhanism blasting through barricades to get into the parade’s route is immaterial. From that point of act, every additional decision, every additional act, and every damaged body is intentional, in this case.

    Five intentional homicide charges have been brought. No doubt the (thank God) Waukesha prosecutors are assembling/sorting dozens of additional attempted homicide charges while also on death watch of those still in ICUs (including 3 kids in serious and 6 kids in critical condition as of mid day) before determining final additional charges.

    And here you are trying to hide and disavow your collusion with this POS.

    “0h, no, it’s not political! It’s not BLM! It’s not the stuff I promote!

    Bullshit.

    You are the one who gave the keys to Brooks. You pointed the way. You and your lefty face-book “highly educated” BLM-fraud loving child-molester defending gutter rats. With your utter ignorance, unwavering hypocrisy, unceasing lies, …. and your Democrat vote.

    You and your ilk told Darrell Brooks Black Lives Matter, but not dem old honkee Dancing Grannies.

    And he believed exactly that.

  30. Jason

    >Jason, your opinion is completely negated once you decided to use the R word as a derogatory term. Grow up.

    Of course it is. You can’t argue the merits, so turn all SJW on a single word… btw it was used correctly, not derogatory. Unless you think anyone lighting a dumpster on fire, or burning a business, or tipping cars, or launching fireworks at police, or chasing a guy holding an AR-15, or running down people in a parade, or blocking traffic on an interstate… are healthy, normal people? If you do, then you’re part of the problem and you’re retarded as well…

  31. jonnyv

    Jason, maybe you are confused. There are no “merits” we are discussing. The entire discussion was whether this had anything to do with BLM / Kenosha. And so far, no one has proven it was. And FYI, there is NO “correct” way to use that word when referring to a person. It is highly offensive regardless. So, keep it classy. Crawl back under your rock.

    It is really funny how desperate people are to link this to BLM. Are you that scared of the BLM movement? This is just a horrible criminal who murdered 5 people. No political reasoning. Dad29 is the only person who has raised a valid discussion point about his low bail.

  32. Mar

    Johnny,the thug was a NLM supporter. BLM supporters have committed murder and mass murder in the past.
    So, it is not a stretch to think this guy did this on purpose in reaction to his hatred of white people or for support of the BLMmovement.
    While you said we don’t have evidence to back up this claim, at least we have so.e supporting evidence while you have none to support your position

  33. dad29

    Vaun Mayes, Milwaukee’s contribution to BLM, is on record speculating that the Waukesha slaughter event was ‘the beginning of the revolution’ following the Rittenhouse acquittal.

    He says those are the things he hears.

  34. Tuerqas

    Oooh are the BLM terrorists attempting to take credit for the parade slaughter DAD? Still no facts for poor Jonnyv and one of the radicalized left is already half-assed trying to take credit for the tragedy. That is pretty much a guarantee in my mind that the tragedy was not BLM related. Lib non-factual pre-emptive conclusions are always wrong.

  35. dad29

    I’m not convinced it was BLM, but I am open minded on the motive here. As it stands, the perp’s flat out hatred for Whitey looks like the leading candidate for motive.

    But it’s also possible that he found himself running fast and jonnyV’s streets got in the way. Frankly, I’d rather believe he’s just a horrible person who was cornered and didn’t give a damn WHO got killed.

  36. MjM

    8-yr old boy passed earlier this evening. A Little Leaguer, marching in the parade with his team. His Brother is still in ICU.

    Daddio, it wasn’t some sort of BLM statement making thing, it was because of what BLM teaches.

  37. Merlin

    J.J. Watt has offered to cover ALL of the funeral expenses. Awesome gesture.

  38. Mar

    Watt has also paid for the funeral for victims of a school children, I think from Santa Fw TX.
    One of the good guys in the NFL.

  39. dad29

    Complaint states that the Waukesha BLM Slaughterer drove ‘zig-zag’ to maximize mayhem, failed to halt when one cop banged on the hood and another fired 3 rounds into the car.

    Now we have motive: domestic terror/BLM hate.

    It ain’t the street layout.

  40. Merlin

    Funding needs to be found to give LEOs more time on the range. Not intended as a criticism, but a friendly suggestion. Consider it continuing education to meet the needs of a challenging future.

  41. Mar

    I have never been at the a shooting range except when I was in the Air Forcce, but how many ranges have moving SUVs traveling at 30-40mph?

  42. dad29

    Frankly, I’m not sure that shooting at that car was optimal. Let’s say that all 3 rounds hit the terrorist. THEN what? He slumps into the accelerator and goes faster……where?

    On Teee Veeee, the bad guy hits the brakes or a building and dies. This ain’t TeeeVee.

  43. MjM

    Perp turned right off the parade route onto Wisconsin Ave when the cop shot (at the SW end of Main St. where it turns left and becomes West Ave), but the cop stopped shooting b/c of the crowds.

    Pretty sure WPD has 9mm as standard issue. (FWIW, on average 9mm are slightly larger that a .38 Auto – think: Dragnet -, smaller than a .38 Special but with greater muzzle velocity, and smaller than a .357 Magnum and less MV)

    A 357 magnum is a good weapon, but I’ve seen 38’s bounce off of windshields. No good in a city like this.

    Couple of pics of the perps vehicle on this page shows precisely that….

    https://nypost.com/2021/11/21/suv-drives-into-parade-in-wisconsin-possible-shots-fired/

    Instead of range time we need more Harry Callahans.

  44. Jason

    Death Sentence for this domestic terrorist, if (when) convicted.

    Domestic terrorism needs to be charged to anyone continuing to do more than peacefully protest anywhere in the country. The shit on the West Coast, needs to stop NOW. If Biden does not immediately condemn the shit in Portland, the organized looting in California, Chicago, and other areas… then he supports it and needs to be impeached. If he does not instruct Garland to use the full force of the DOJ to educate every DA in the country on how to set bail and deal with repeat offenders, then Biden needs to be impeached.

  45. Mar

    I wonder if the Feds will investigate the thug for Federal hate crimes and violating their rights.
    Wisconsin does not have the death penalty but the Feds do.

  46. dad29

    Harry used a .44 Magnum.

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