I always find it interesting when national media folks comment on Wisconsin. Like this:
To that end, Democrats hope the number of party voters who participate in Wisconsin primaries on Tuesday approaches the 1 million who voted in the primary in 2016, a presidential year, compared with 300,000 votes for the Democratic gubernatorial candidate in 2014.
Democrats would love to capture the Milwaukee suburban House district of Republican U.S. House of Representatives Speaker Paul Ryan, who is leaving office. Ryan supports former aide Bryan Steil to replace him, but Steil must fend off a primary challenge from avowed white supremacist Paul Nehlen.
Among Democrats, ironworker Randy Bryce was confronting Cathy Myers, a local school board member.
Notice how for the 1st District race, they throw in the “white supremacist Paul Nehlen” comment, even though he is one of 6 GOP candidates – 4 of which are credible and Nehlan is not one of them. But they don’t even mention that “ironworker Randy Bryce” is a deadbeat dad with a criminal record. It’s almost as if the reporter got all of his information from a Democratic insider…
The benchmark for turnout is probably a good one though. Good to watch. I’ll be shocked if the Democrats get a million voters, but if they do, it would signal a strong Dem year.
Yes, their numbers were very interesting. Should be easy for the newsies to gather the info, too, as all ballots must have “D” or “R” marked.
“But they don’t even mention that “ironworker Randy Bryce” is a deadbeat dad with a criminal record.”
According the Kevin that’s past behavior and doesn’t matter. He’s probably way more honest and moral than Trump, and see how many folks worship at his feet.
Given the gubernatorial race this time was almost as dull as 2014’s anointment, I somehow doubt they’ll get to a million.
As for the marking, its only purpose is to ensure that if one screws up and votes in more than one party’s primary, the votes in the “prime” primary count.
Pat,
Deadbeat dad is far morally reprehensible than crude locker room talk.
The former harms kids and moms. The latter only offends the overly sensitive like yourself.
k:
Wow, just a little while ago you were all over the carnal stuff, now you are saying it is OK, at least for trump and folks you agree with. And there you are again, judging folks. It must be a confusing space between your ears.
Kevin,
That all happened many years ago and something he is sorry for. So all’s ok, right?
Nord,
There is a big difference between crude and stupid locker room talk and defining your life by carnal choices and demand special treatment based on that identity.
Sometimes we have to get very remedial with you, don’t we?
Pat,
Being sorry means avoiding the behavior, not embracing it.
Could Trump mess up? Sure. He does not seem to define himself by the crude locker room talk incident. Or proudly waive his bad behavior about like the gay lobby does.
Numbers are still straggling in, but the Dems might have seen 550,000 voters. Not great, but better than the 450,000 it looks like the Pubbies had.
k:
“Being sorry means avoiding the behavior, not embracing it.”
Well your guy seems to embrace the behavior, ie, serial adulterer, multiple affairs, and the crude locker room talk. The trifecta !
I saw the same numbers. First take: that 8-critter primary got the action.
Did you notice that “Red Fred” lost his seat??
Nord,
Name me one thing that rises to the crude locker room talk from over a decade ago while he was President?
Sources please.
Pat squeaks: That all happened many years ago and something he is sorry for.
Awww, he’s sowwy for being a complete scumbag.
In fact, Bryce paid off the two debts just last August and November.
The first was his 2.5 year delinquent child support payments, finally paid two years after the state put a lien on his property in 2015. This is hardly “many years ago”
The second was a personal load made to him in 2001 and ordered in 2004 by a court to be repaid. THAT, I’ll grant you, is ‘many years’.
So this douche ignored a court order for 13+ years.
Funny how all that money just suddenly became available AFTER his announcement of candidacy.
(And we won’t mention his multiple arrests/convictions for theft, possession, trespassing, property damage, OUI, driving with a suspended license x 3, and not showing up in court in Wisconsin AND Michigan).
“Dog”. How’s that?
“Deadbeat dad is far morally reprehensible than crude locker room talk.”
I’m told that people shouldn’t be voting for a saint. The important thing is only if they can get the job done for the people. Any prior transgressions should be over looked.
Pat,
When their actions hurt children…that is far more disgusting, than just being a womanizing pig.
Ongoing deadbeat dad is just awful.
I guess hurting children is just dandy in liberal lexicon these days.
Not surprised, liberalism embraces evil, rejects good.
k:
So you are saying that trumps behavior towards women is “good” ? Pretty interesting, and disturbing, double standard you have.
Kevin,
But you said people shouldn’t vote for saints. Moving the football forward for ideological advancement is the only thing that is important.
Nord,
Trumps behavior in past toward women in past was not good.
I have not seen anything that would indicate anything like Kennedy or Clinton during his presidency. Provide the source.
Bryce’s behavior seem ongoing in defiance of court orders. That is far worse.
Democrats want to embrace someone who abuses children by not paying child support, that is just classic evil.
Pat
I agree politicians don’t need to be saints, but common decency in following court orders should be a sensible standard…or some demonstration of constant law breaking has abated.
There is a difference between sainthood, and just basic decency of being an ongoing law abiding citizen.
It drives me insane that tolerance for law breaking has gotten to point we have to have this conversation.
Kevin,
Would you consider a man who fathers 5 children with 3 women, had affairs with two of those women, had affairs with other women while married to those same women, one with a stripper and playmate after third wife gave birth to his fifth child, evil?
Kevin,
Would not following a court order involving children be evil?
k:
I didn’t get to vote for Kennedy, but he isn’t our President any more. I didn’t vote for Bill Clinton, and by the way, he isn’t President anymore, either.
We are dealing in the here and now, and your guy is an embarrassment to the office. But your hypocrisy and double standards are amusing, especially in light of your self-proclaimed religiosity.
Yah. He’s an embarrassment just like Clinton (women), Kennedy (women), FDR(women and Communists), and Wilson the actual racist. Trump’s just trying to keep up with the Jones-ing of the Democrats.
Hey, the old “the other guys do it, too” excuse. Guess you’ll prefer the low road.
Go back to gumming dinner, gramps.
Pat,
Did he fail to pay child support like Bryce?
Being a moral sewer rat is a badge of honor among Democrats, but we should still draw line against deadbeat dads.
Kevin,
You didn’t answer my questions.
Would you consider a man who fathers 5 children with 3 women, had affairs with two of those women, had affairs with other women while married to those same women, one with a stripper and playmate after third wife gave birth to his fifth child, evil?
Would not following a court order involving children be evil?
Pat,
Is his behavior ongoing, or is it in past and repentant in action?
Kevin,
Those are yes or no questions.
Kevin,
Is the behavior I described evil?
See, Pat, in Kevin’s worldview, you can have it both ways. You can condemn the sinner if it suits you. You can claim the sinner has changed their ways if it suits you. You can sin, repent, fall off the wagon and do it again, repent, rinse, lather, repeat.
Pat,
I have acknowledged the behavior is evil, however there is a difference between unrepentant evil and the repentant.
If the womanizer/moral sewer rat has stopped his ways in action and is repentant about it, that is far better than the unrepentant who continues to cheat on his wife and commit acts of adultery.
You would treat the former with grace and forgiveness and admonish the latter.
In Bryce’s case he seems to be skippng out on his legal obligations, even to his day and shows little sign of abating his lawbreaking.
Jjf,
I don’t condemn the sinner, I condemn the sin, especially if it is ongoing and unrepentant. That is how we determine good and evil in our society. I understand that concept may be foreign to you in a society where tolerance means tolerating every form of evil under the sun and crucifying the good, but try to be a little more nuanced on this subject.
There is a big difference between unrepentant bad actors who continue in their bad acts overtly vs. those who have done wrong in the past and are no longer acting that way.
The former is ongoing evil, the latter should be treated with grace and repentance.
So would you regard paying-off (or insulting) your past affair partners as “on-going behavior”?
Kevin,
How do you know that a serial adulterer is repentant?
Is a serial liar evil?
Jjf,
I would view it as a political calculation to try and bury your past sins.
I know this is hard to believe, but liberals lack grace and forgiveness on multiple levels on nearly everything.
Pat,
You don’t know. You can only judge overt action. We have no evidence he is acting like Clinton or Kennedy when it comes to carnal sins in White House.
Nothing during his time in White House shows he has continued his ways like Clinton.
If you do have evidence, source please.
Kevin,
So you don’t know if Trump is repentant. But you really want to believe he is, without any proclamation from Trump of his past evil behavior, and sincere repentance for his past evil ways.
Is a serial liar evil?
There are no solid actions last 2 years to show he has continued and no women complaining of such activity.
So one is guilty of continuing evil, even when evidence shows change?
Kevin,
Is a serial liar evil?
So you don’t know if Trump is repentant. But you really want to believe he is, without any proclamation from Trump of his past evil behavior, and sincere repentance for his past evil ways.
Pat,
You judge by action. Do you have evidence he is treating woman this way while in White House like a Kennedy or Clinton?
I’ll bite on serial lie issue. What has Trump said that is a more offending whopper of a lie than Obama saying he supported marriage under God’s design (one man, one woman), and then overnight destroying Clinton’s Defense of marriage act, his “Christianity”, and destroying a basic foundation civil society rests on?
Kevin,
Ok, I get it. You think serial lying isn’t evil. And evil behavior is forgiven if you don’t think the evil behavior is continuing, even without an act of contrition.
Al Franken, who has acknowledged his behavior, and apologized, will appreciate your support on that issue.
If a tree falls in the woods and no one hears it, did it still make a noise?
Pat,
I did not say I support serial lying, however you did not point to one example with Trump that was worse than the ultimate lie Obama committed that I, helpfully, pointed out to you.
Al Franken has repented and if he keeps up his ways, in keeping with his repentance, we should show him grace and forgiveness.
Kevin,
Obama is not the POTUS.
Trump lies to the people of the United States an average of 7 times a day since taking office. Is that not evil?
Trump hasn’t repented for his transgressions. Once he does I may be able to show him grace and forgiveness. But not until he proclaims the evil he has committed, apologizes for, and demonstrates sincere repentance in both acts and deeds, I will withhold be my grace and forgiveness.
And, Randy Bryce has apologized for his past transgressions. Should he be shown grace and forgiveness?
Well, it is basically a local election. Don’t know if the typical voter will care about his morality or confessionals to recent or past sins.
Will hinge more on how the typical personally voter relates to the alleged transgressions. Will the typical voter not have an issue with any of these:
Delinquent Child Support: Or will there be some voters who relate in the following personal ways: a woman who has not received child support in a timely fashion (or not at all). Or the second husband who resents that his wife’s ex-husband is not supporting the step-children. Or the voter who feels that the social programs are overwhelmed due to parents not paying the child support they owe.
Personal Loan: Same questions as above: Will there be voters who have experienced someone borrowing money and not paying it back? Will there be some who just “ate the loss” and resent that to this day? Will there be some who had to go to Small Claims to collect. Will there be some who went to Small Claims and still did not get paid? Will there be women voters who have been taken advantage by a man, either financially or in other ways? Same for men, I guess – maybe there are some who got stiffed by a woman. Perhaps it should be framed as more of a “relationship” issue.
OUI/Suspended License: Will there be voters who have a harsh opinion of people who have driven drunk? Will there be voters who have suffered some kind of personal loss or injury due to a drunk driver? I imagine he would lose the MAAD vote on that question. Our local Facebook news sites report on OWI arrests – the haters come out in full force against those people – not a smidgeon of sympathy, empathy, or forgiveness. Will there be some voters who got traffic tickets and dealt with them by making necessary court appearances and/or paying what they owed?
Trespassing/Property Damage/Theft: not sure of what the incidents entailed, but will there be some voters who have experienced minor theft or vandalism to their property? Or are there voters who fear that happening and have taken protective measures? Are there voters who are very territorial when it comes to people coming uninvited on their property?
Those are the kinds of questions voters may be asking themselves when they vote. All the nattering about morality and contrition have nothing to do with what the voters will be looking at.
Pat,
Name one lie Trump told yesterday….still have not produced one.
Yes, we should show Bryce grace and forgiveness, as long as he is acting in keeping with his repentance. Has he quit drinking so heavily? Is he caught up on his back child support? or does he still owe? Does he have a plan to catch up his back child support? Has he made resitution to the people he has hurt in accidents and incidents of property damage?
Has he made amends to all the children, and people he has hurt with his illegal actions?
If yes, we should extend grace to him. However, there are a lot of outstanding questions on all his illegal/contempt of court activities…is he bearing fruit in action in keeping with repentance? Or are his victims still angry and uncompensated?
IF has has made amends, we should show him grace and forgiveness. Extending grace and forgiveness does not neccessarily mean someone should vote for them.
A voter has to consider that someone who is so poor at managing his own life in terms of running afoul of the law, and wants to be elected to a position, as a lawmaker, to manage the lives of millions of others, we have to question the sound judgment of any voter considering a vote for him.
But Kevin, will there be voters who have personally experienced someone expressing remorse for past transgressions with a promise of better future behavior, and then disappointed? The young family member with drug issues, the cheating partner, the family member with alcohol or gambling addiction issues? Will those voters who have been let down overlook his past issues and assume that past behavior is not an indicator of future behavior?
Kevin,
Are you saying that Trump is not a pathological liar?
Mark,
Naturally, that is for future voters to decide.
The problem we have on this site is: we have intersectional liberal trolls with an attitude: How dare you say anything bad about a liberal Democrat!
It is fair game to talk about Randy’s chronic lawbreaking and whether or not he his truly repentant about his past, overt, evil and the fact he cannot act within the bounds of civil, reasonable, society many times.
The real problem here is: Democrats nominating awful candidates.
Pat,
I’m saying if you have an issue with something Trump has said, let’s talk about something specific, rather than making sweeping generalizations.
That is what civilized debate is all about.
Kevin,
So you’re saying Trump isn’t a pathological liar.
Pat,
I’m asking you for one pitiful example of your assertion.
You said “7 lies a day on average”, so you should only have to look to yesterday, I’m not seeing any….just point.
And Kevin, I voted all Republican in this past Tuesday. I’m hoping to make the Republican Party Great Again.
Kevin,
Over the period of time Trump’s held office he’s total of 4229 lies, which equates to an average of around 7 a day. Some days more, and some days less. Maybe I should have just said he’s told at least 4229 lies since taking office.
In any case, wouldn’t you say an individual who lies that much is a pathological liar.
Well, for starters trump lied about who and why his ego-driven military parade was cancelled.
Pat,
Who did you vote for, for US Senate? Barman? That is hardly voting Republican….
You guys claim Trump lies, but then fail to provide one, accurate quote as proof.
Sources please.
Kevin,
Here is the 2017 lie of the year.
“This Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story. It’s an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should’ve won.”
k:
The DoD and the Mayor of DC both disagree with what t-rump said. It’s all over the media and twittersphere, so you can’t say it ain’t so. Desperation, thy name is kevin.
Desperation is a sad, pathetic old man picking on a business owner.
I’m sure the Dairy Queen near your trash village has a senior discount. Eat up and have a heart attack, geezer.
Pat,
It is a made up story. Clinton foundation was TAKING MONEY FROM RUSSIANS. when hillary lost, they needed an excuse for hillary losing what should have been a cake walk.
This whole russian narrative is inslting to voters in WI and MI. You imply we are a bunch of Russian dupes.
You should apologize for that.
Is that all you got?
Wow, get a life.
Okay, I’m finished here. The individuals with Trump Apologist syndrome have arrived.
Pat,
If that statement is all you got to claim Trump is a “serial liar”, you must be just dripping with outrage over Obama’s flip flop on marriage.
I am disgusted by this liberal Russian narrative, it is insulting to all those that voted for Trump in WI and MI. You are claiming we are a bunch of Russian dupes. We voted for Trump because Hillary was totally evil and destructive for the country. Voting for Hillary was voting for Russia. She took direct bribe money from Russia!
I’m tired of your lies on the subject to be honest.
Point out the quote attributed directly to me that was a lie.
Here is an untruth that I’ve never said, or eluded to.
“You are claiming we are a bunch of Russian dupes.”
When you claimed Trump’s statement was a lie.
When you feed this liberal Russian narrative that the hicks in Midwest were persuaded to vote Trump by Russia, you are implying we are Russian duped.
I was not thrilled about voting for Trump, but realized Hillary was such great evil to the country, she had to be stopped.
In retrospect, I am now thrilled about voting for Trump, he has wrecked the DC swamp like nobody before him. He has wrecked liberal media, and most importantly, put leftist intersectional politics back in its ridiculous box on a large scale.
Is Trump perfect? No, but he has been surprising to advancing conservative agenda and stopping the liberal agenda.
So when you talk about this liberal talking point of “Russian interference”, you insult voters who voted for Trump and making subtle claim we are all Putin’s dupes.
It is very insulting to even talk about the made up liberal talking points and lies of the liberal lexicon on this, without insulting WI and MI voters.
But keep it up, it will insure a 2020 Trump win.
I will, cheerfully this time, vote for Trump again.
The quote was made by Trump, and was named as the lie of the year.
It is not attributed to me. I didn’t lie.
If you want more examples of Trump being a serial liar, you can google it.
Now point out where I ever made the statement that anyone is a “Russian Dupe”. You’ll never find it.
Pat,
Quoting partisan liberal hacks who lie about the lie of the year, as truth, makes you a liar by implication.
How bout your lie.
When you forward this fake “Russian intererence” narrative (that Russia intervened in favor of Trump), you imply we are all too stupid to do anything other than what Putin tells, if we voted for Trump.
If there was “intereference” like you sugggest, how is there any other conclusion?
So are you sticking with the “russian interference” liberal lie, or are we all Russian dupes?
Your choice.
I stand with the truth. It is made up liberal BS to cover up the fact that liberals found a worse candidate than Trump, in their FIXED Democratic primary.
If you want to talk “election interference”, let’s talk about what the DNC did to Bernie Sanders, to allow satan to head their ticket and lose to Trump. that is the big lie and scandal of 2016.
Try taking your head out of fake news for a little while.
Russia is a shiney object meant to distract liberals from their strategic incompetence in 2016, it is not meant for serious thinkers in the conservative/libertarian vein. why do you fall victim to lies?
Well Kev, I guess you stand with Rudy Giuliani‘s statement, “Truth isn’t Truth”.
Best wishes to you, have a good day.
Pat:
And also in line with Kelly Anne’s “Alternative Facts”
And for the doubters here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/08/01/president-trump-has-made-4229-false-or-misleading-claims-in-558-days/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d590f211c0ee
Nord,
That story is from The Washington Post, which every devoted Trumpanzee knows is the enemy of Trumpanzees.
The Washington Post…Only the NY Times is a worse liberal rag.
As an example, Trump saying he passed the biggest tax cut in US history. they call that a “Lie”, but then fail to explain how.
Trump is building economic growth into his tax cuts, however, the Washington Post ignores that and says it is a lie.
If trump is relying on his projections and they do not turn out, that would make him wrong or mistaken, not a “liar”.
This is just one example form the liberal rag.
Again is there anything specific you want to talk about?
I can’t believe you came at me first with the fake liberal russian interference claim as a Trump “Lie”. All Trump did was clear up the awful liberal misinformation and lies, with the truth.
You guys got nothing.
Nord,
How’d you enjoy President Bone Spurs meeting with Vietnam Vets? I’m sure they were impressed.
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a22757152/donald-trump-apocalypse-now-veterans-meeting/
Pat,
So he made stupid comments at an event. He does that.
Nothing in that article makes him a “serial liar”.
Obama made stupid comments every single day.
Kevin,
You appear to be quite agitated. Take a deep breath and relax. Everything will be ok with a little time, and some common sense.
Nord,
This probably explains why Kevin believes everything Trump says.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/how-the-science-of-blue-lies-may-explain-trumps-support/
And this:
https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/
Pat,
Not agitated.
Just wondering why, stupid comments, mistakes, or being wrong equals “serial liar” all of a sudden.
If being wrong makes one a serial liar, nearly every liberal is guilty of being a serial liar.
Rationalization is the second strongest human drive.
Pat,
Naturally. Certainly better than going through life thinking every stupid comment is a “serial lie”….but only for people you hate.
I would welcome some basic rational thought to the liberal sphere which you quote as gospel.
I don’t think every stupid comment Don the Con makes is a lie. I only think a lie is a lie. I’d like to have a rational dialog, but that’s impossible when dealing with the irrational.
Pat,
So every stupid comment equals lie?
Really?
That is the kind of ridiculous liberal politics I rail against.
Nord would be in trouble all the time if that was the standard.
Kevin,
Please learn to read! I didn’t say every stupid thing he says is a lie. Only his lies are lies! You do know the difference, right?
Pat,
Then point one lie out.
Let’s talk about it.you have attempted twice and failed. First example was Trump clearing up the worst of liberal lies, Russian interference. The second example was Trump just saying something stupid, which was not a lie. In that case, stupid did not equal lie.
You are really bad at backing up your point, which exposes your Trump derangement syndrome.
Kevin,
You can believe what you want to believe. Nothing I, or anyone else, would say would make a difference.
Have a wonderful day.
Pat,
You keep lying about picking up your ball and going home, (3 times now), but then bring the ball back into big boy play.
Does that make you a “serial liar” to the standard you set out?
Just curious.