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0911, 27 Feb 18

Would-be Victim Kills Carjacker

More of this will help decrease the number of car jackings in Milwaukee.

A 21-year-old would-be carjacker was shot and killed by his intended victim early Monday, Milwaukee officials said.

The man, whose name has not been released, was armed with a gun and trying to carjack a 24-year-old man who was heading into work shortly before 6 a.m. Monday, Milwaukee Police Capt. Andra Williams said.

The 24-year-old had a valid concealed carry license and fatally shot the man, said Ald. Cavalier Johnson, who called a news conference late Monday about the shooting.

The incident occurred outside a business in the 8800 block of W. Fond du Lac Ave. and was the first reported fatal shooting in Johnson’s northwest side district this year.

The shooter, who lives outside the city, stayed at the scene, gave a voluntary statement and is cooperating with the investigation, Williams said.

Police believe a second car may have been involved with the attempted carjacking and are searching for a green Chrysler Pacifica, Williams said.

I always feel bad for the shooter in incidents like these. This guy was just heading to work early on a Monday and now his life is forever altered because he was forced to take a life in self defense (allegedly). As someone who carries a weapon for self-defense all the time, I pray that I am never forced to do what this young man had to do.


0911, 27 February 2018


  1. Kevin Scheunemann

    My guess is:   this liberal car jacker has been in and out of justice system many times.  Had the liberal justice system properly punished him at any time, he would be alive today.   Shows how the soft on crime liberal justice system in Milwaukee can be harmful to career criminals.

    Well done to the CC holder!   You have made the world a better place.   I support a hero award.

  2. billphoto

    The base problem here is from Capt. Williams of the MPD.  He said,

    “Once the investigation is complete, officers will refer the case to the Milwaukee County District Attorney’s Office so prosecutors can determine whether it was justified self-defense.”

    A person with a gun was committing a felony crime against another person.  This is called an ‘imminent threat’ and may be responded to with ‘commensurate force.’  Unless this alleged felon was shot in the back as he ran away, there is no justification for a question to be raised UNLESS MPD’s intent is to punish the Concealed Carry holder.  Despite our Legislature’s passage of 968.20, the MPD and DA have a history of non-compliance.

    The rule of thumb is if you fire your weapon, it will cost you $5,000!  While that is better than being dead, I see little reason to rake this person over the coals.  I cannot opine on the politics of the car jacker but the MPD, DA and courts certainly appear to be on the side of the criminal instead of law abiding citizens.

  3. Major Booris

    Getting Bo Morrison flashbacks over here. This was a much more cut and dried act of self-defense, but your habit of dancing on the graves of criminals remains just as disturbing as it was back then, Kevin.

    The overwhelming majority of CCW holders don’t fantasize about how awesome it would be to blow a mugger away, and I’m willing to bet the young man in this case would rather not be reminded of his ‘heroism’ anytime soon.

  4. Kevin Scheunemann

    Major Boris,

    I’ll bite.   Where was I “dancing on the grave of criminals”?

  5. Major Booris

    When you put on your ‘world is a better place, give the homeowner a medal’ act for the death of a foolish, drunk, frightened 20-year old, and then called out his ‘enabler’ family members for having the gall to mourn him.

  6. dad29

    MPD and DA have a history of non-compliance.

    Anecdote is not statistics, but….I know of a case where a known troublemaker attempted a home invasion in Milwaukee, near 76th/Capitol.  The homeowner is in his 70’s.  Pulled out a .22 rifle and killed the perp.

    He was cleared by the DA about 10 days later, no problem at all.  Case went almost un-reported; only about 3 paragraphs in the JS, buried in the second section.

    It’s reasonable to assume that there are at least a few more cases like the above, where the DA and cop shop did the right thing.

    We can all thank God that there are not dozens, or hundreds, more.

  7. Paul

    Dead felon.

    Bury the piece of dog shit and move on.

  8. Kevin Scheunemann


    That is backing up the law abiding citizen for doing the moral thing:  Being good and tking action to defeat evil.    If evil is ‘bruised’ by that, so be it.

    Being a druken idiot, trying to steal someone’s car with a gun is the personification of evil and I’m tired of listening to the endless compassion for the criminal evil.   About time we be compassionate toward the real victim, the law abiding citizen that had to do what our broken justice system fails to do: separate criminal evil from society.

  9. billphoto

    Oh, oh, I know a case or two or three.  From Wisconsin Concealed Carry:

    Nazir Al-mujaahid, a law-abiding Wisconsin concealed carry license holder, used his sidearm to shoot a shotgun-weilding armed robber who had entered a north-side Aldi’s grocery store in Milwaukee and threatened the cashier and customers on January 30th, 2012.  As is standard protocol, the armed citizen’s holster, gun, and ammunition were taken into evidence by the Milwaukee Police Department.
    A few days later the Milwaukee District Attorney’s office cleared the armed citizen of any wrong-doing and declared the shooting justified.
    Despite being exhonerated by the DA, making repeated attempts to obtain the return of his firearm from Milwaukee Police, and sending a letter to the DA’s office requesting assistance in the return of his property, Mr. Al-Mujaahid’s gun remains in Police possession.
    Wisconsin Carry, Inc. has observed what appears to be a pattern of civil-rights infringing behavior from the Milwaukee Police Department. The Milwaukee Police Department appears to have a practice of concocting baseless reasons to seize any and all guns they come across in the City – even when those guns have never been used in connection with a crime. The Police Department also appears to have a practice of refusing to return firearms or unduly delaying the return of firearms that were seized incident to an arrest despite the fact that no charges were brought or when the gun owner is exonerated by the court system.
    From Fox6 update:

    The judge ruled that Al-Mujaahid WILL receive his weapon back from the Milwaukee Police Department.

    From MJS: 4 months later – For the fourth time, Al-Mujaahid has gone to court to regain possession of a firearm held by the police, in this case, the 9mm handgun he used to foil a robbery attempt at a Milwaukee grocery store in January. 

    Hundreds of gun owners go to court in Milwaukee County each year to ask a judge to order their weapons returned to them when the gun was not used in a crime, or the owner wasn’t ultimately convicted of a felony.

    May – A gun rights advocacy group has taken Milwaukee police to task for refusing to give back a gun used in an Aldi grocery store shooting that was ruled justifiable and legal. Police say the gun is still evidence in the case although the criminal have already been convicted.

    From the Daily Caller:
    The Torrance Police Department in Torrance, Calif., according to the Daily Breeze (a daily newspaper in Torrance, Calif.) had to be taken to federal court in 2015 after ignoring two court orders to return firearms voluntarily surrendered by one Michael Roberts in 2010. Roberts had an ample firearms collection, some of which were destroyed under a law allowing destruction of abandoned firearms after 6 months in evidence, despite Roberts having communicated all along that he wanted his property returned.
    Roberts filed his first lawsuit in 2012, and the end result was a bill of more than $30,000 the taxpayers of Torrance had to pay, including more than $15,000 restitution for the improperly destroyed firearms.
    A 2014 case in Sanford, Fla., resulted in a legally blind man having to sue to get his firearms returned to him after being acquitted for a 2012 defensive shooting, according to Sanford NBC affiliate WESH.

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