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2140, 29 Sep 20

1st Debate

Whew… that was a brawl.


2140, 29 September 2020


  1. Pat

    That was disgusting.

  2. Jason

    Clowns everywhere are scratching out their votes for Joe after that one. I thought he promised to never use divisive language?

  3. MHMaley

    When asked if he would condemn White Supremacy
    groups , the President of the United states could
    just say yes , of course

    Instead , he told the Proud Boys to
    “Stand down and stand by “

    That’s the headline and I’ll enjoy watching the usual
    suspects defending that statement .

    The rest of the debate was a shit show .

    If the other sides mikes aren’t cut when the
    other person is talking , cancel the last 2 debates .

  4. jjf

    I dunno about the mic-cutting, Maley.  Trump’s bullying can still be done if he thinks Biden can hear him.  He wants to interrupt his thought process.  Maybe in separate rooms?

  5. Le Roi du Nord

    At least trump acknowledges that Biden has a thought process. That sure can’t be said about trump.

  6. jjf

    Trump speaks mostly in unfinished sentence fragments.

  7. Kevin Scheunemann

    Oh Maley,


    refused to condemn Antifa, even denied they exist.

    Refused to answer simple question on packing the court.

    Trump nailed him on lack of peaceful transition from Obama to Trump…its been a deep state coup since 2016.

    It was a crap show, but Trump wins in a muck brawl, everytime.

    Biden looks weak and confused. Even he doesn’t know what he is saying.

    Chris Wallace had no control.

  8. Le Roi du Nord

    “I was a private business people”. And apparently not a very good one, based on all the bankruptcies.

  9. Le Roi du Nord


    You must been watching something else, it sure wasn’t the debate.

  10. MHMaley


    Biden didn’t win the debate .
    The President throw away his opportunity by going
    white hot from the start .

    His anger at losing took over and was embarrassing
    to anyone who values the integrity of the office .

    The Proud Boys have the President’s advice up
    on their website .

    What are they supposed to standing by for ?

  11. Merlin

    I’ve always thought Biden has blue eyes. Tonight under stage lighting he had fully dilated pupils. Maybe he just finished an eye exam, eh?

  12. Kevin Scheunemann

    They both were ridiculous.

    The problem is: Democrats found the one candidate worse than Hillary in the history of the U.S.

  13. Le Roi du Nord

    But Biden is far, far better than the incumbent.

  14. Mar

    Considering Le Roi, you are like Helen Keller, but without the brains, I don’t take your view seripsly.
    And since you are such a hateful person towards your President Trump, your opinion is worthless.

  15. Mar

    I am sure jjf will condemn Senile Joe’s uncivil behavior.

  16. Mar

    Merlin, you are right. Biden’s pupils were not the right size for having television lights in his face.
    Biden was just not right during the debate.
    But the biggest loser was Chris Wallace. Horrible moderator.

  17. Le Roi du Nord

    Big deal. No one , ever, anywhere, takes you seripsly.

    And no, I don’t hate trump, nor you. But after last night I pity you both even more.

  18. jjf

    Chris Wallace had no control.

    Golly, what was it that Wallace had to rein in?  Who was misbehaving?  It’s a mystery?

  19. jjf

    Mar – admit it, y’all like Trump’s interruptions.  Makes him look powerful, right?

  20. Pat

    “I don’t take your view seripsly.“


  21. Mar

    Yep, if, king of the whiny crybabies, refuses to call out Senile Joe very rude behavior.
    Never again can he complain about anyone being uncivil, you crybaby.

  22. Le Roi du Nord

    While you guys are speculating on Biden’s pupils, perhaps a more germane question, of a fiscal nature, would be, “How much did the taxpayers pay for trumps hair styling” ?

  23. Pat

    The brain-trust of Chris Christie, Rudy Giuliani and Donald Trump came up with a debate strategy that basically centered on reminding women watching of abusive men they dated or married, worked for, or was raised by.

  24. jjf

    Mar, how did Biden behave in previous debates?

  25. Merlin

    – While you guys are speculating on Biden’s pupils, perhaps a more germane question, of a fiscal nature, would be, “How much did the taxpayers pay for trumps hair styling” ?

    Visual cues are free and require no spin whatsoever.

    Figure out the relevancy of pupillary response in Alzheimer’s and dementia patients. The man had no iris color visible in those baby blues under bright light conditions. His handlers/caregivers didn’t even bother with color contacts that would have somewhat masked the blown pupils.

    There is no more germane question than Biden’s current cognitive abilities and an honest prognosis of his future. Dementia, like Covid, doesn’t care a bit about your political affiliations. What Joe Biden has been for the last 40+ years has absolutely no relationship with what he will be tomorrow. Sad, but true even for the rest of us mere mortals.


  26. Pat

    Dr. Jack Brown noted:
    Trump’s Pupils are dilated to 6.5 mm in his right eye and 6.0 mm in his left eye. This fits Trump’s pattern of long-term, intermittent, widely-dilated pupils. This characteristic of pupillary dilation is caused by drugs. Trump is abusing drugs.

  27. Mar

    ““How much did the taxpayers pay for trumps hair styling” ?”
    Nothing and Le Roi lies again.

  28. Mar

    Gee, Pat, that describes you. But also add in hateful and stupidity.
    Then we have a complete picture of Pat.

  29. Pat

    Bwahaahaahaa. Marbles is drunk posting again.

  30. Le Roi du Nord

    Do you know that for sure, mar? Or are you just making that up?

    What was the lie?

  31. Mar

    I already told you Le Roi.

  32. Mar

    And yes, I know that for sure.

  33. Mar

    Thank you for making my point, Pat.

  34. Le Roi du Nord

    No mar, you haven’t. You never do. Is that because there is no lie you can point out, because you don’t have any other witty comeback, or because you are projecting your shortcomings and failures on others?

    And you know that how?

  35. Pat


    You had a point?

  36. Mar

    Yes, Pat, that you are bat shit crazy.

  37. Mar

    And Le Roi shows what uncivil, hater and liar he is.
    Makes a false statement because his hatred of President Trump and refuses to admit he was wrong.
    So pathetic.

  38. Pat

    If a Republican President is incapable of condemning white supremacists, then the party of Lincoln has expired.

    Tom Ridge

  39. Pat

    Marbles said, between drinks, “Yes, Pat, that you are bat shit crazy.”

    But Drunk Marbles, you still haven’t made a point.

  40. Randall Flagg

    “Stand Down and Stand By” was clearly an admittance by Trump that he and his administration have been already working with alt-right hate groups.  After all, stand down would only make sense if an attack order had already been given…..

  41. Pat

    I wonder if anyone here denounces Proud Boys?

  42. Le Roi du Nord

    What is the lie, mar? And why are you hiding behind your position that everyone that disagrees with you is a liar? For someone as educated and worldly as you making a reasoned response should be easy. Or aren’t you up to the task?

  43. Le Roi du Nord

    I’ll denounce them. k, how about you? You know, denouncing is your thing.

  44. Pat

    Let’s make it the denunciation of the day!

  45. Pat

    How about you, Marbles?

  46. Mar

    How about me what,Pat?

  47. Mar

    If you are talking about the Proud Boys, sure I denounce them, like I denounce Black Lives Matter and Antifa.

  48. Mar

    Let’s see you and Le Roi specifically denounce, by name, Black Lives Matter and Antifa.

  49. Le Roi du Nord

    You really want to denounce anti-fascism?

  50. Randall Flagg


    I denounce Proud Boys and their leader Gavin McInnes.

    Please let me know who the leader of Antifa and leader of BLM is.  If that leader is espousing the same hate as McInnes, I will be happy to denounce them.

  51. Randall Flagg

    As others may have noticed, Mar is employing the same propaganda technique of Trump and Goebbels:  the big lie.  He hopes if he says people on here lie over and over again, others will believe him despite the fact that he never shows proof of said lies.

  52. Le Roi du Nord

    That is the only gimmick mar has in his arsenal.  No facts, no truth, no connection to reality.  Tell a lie, and keep telling it.  And never, never,  back up your claims…

  53. Mar

    Cowards, just cowards.
    And Shaun King is one of the leaders/founders of BLM.
    Now go play tea with your Barbie dolls with your girlfriends, you cowards.

  54. jjf

    Here comes the sexism again.  You’ve got something against playing with dolls?

  55. Le Roi du Nord

    You are projecting again, mar.  Take a look in the mirror.

  56. Pat

    I don’t know anything about Antifa and BLM but they should stand down.

  57. dad29

    Biden was just not right during the debate.

    Agreed.  Watched for 10 minutes.  Biden was mechanical and although he used complete sentences and was coherent (but lying like Hell) it appeared that he had memorized the lines and was really struggling to remember them.

  58. Randall Flagg

    I figured out why Mar, Kevin, Jason, dad29 and the rest are so tense all the time.

    Turns out part of joining the Proud Boys is not masturbating for  a month.

    Someone please tell them the month has passed :)



  59. Randall Flagg


    A search on the BLM website showed no mention of Shaun King.  Also he was not a founder of BLM,

    Swing and a miss.

  60. Mar

    Well, looks like we have a bunch cowardly racists here. Randall, Le Roi, Pat and jjf.
    How sad they support groups that racist and are terrorists.
    When’s the next KKK meeting guys and gal?

  61. Randall Flagg

    Swing and a miss again Mar.  That article does not say he was a founder.  Of course

    So you can paste in the quote from it that proves me wrong, or you can admit you are wrong.

    Inability to paste in the quote means you are de facto admitting you are wrong.

  62. Randall Flagg

    Did you google the article and not read it Mar?  That is so hilarious.  You just destroyed any credibility you may have had.

  63. Kevin Scheunemann

    I weep for country reading the liberals here.

    So blunded by one thing, “orange man bad”.

  64. jjf

    Mar, you like the Proud Boys?

  65. Mar

    Randall,I proved that Shaun King was a leader of BLM.
    jjf, look at my statement above, moron.

  66. Pat

    Shaun King is called an activist. I don’t see anything about founder of BLM.

  67. Le Roi du Nord


    Are you mocking trumps artificial skin tone?  That isn’t very christian of you.

    And no, I am (and I’m sure others here) not blunded by anything.

  68. Mar

    So, I guess Le Roi, The Cop Hater, Randall,jjf and Pat support a group racists.
    Ok, no problem. Typical liberals. Racist to the core.

  69. Mar

    So Le Roi lies again. He says he supports cops but also supports groups that kill and injured police officers.
    Just another lie amongst a very long list of supplies.
    He’s going to get a half of a mine of coal from Santa this year.

  70. Le Roi du Nord

    What is the lie, mar ?

    Or is that just your default response to folks smarter and more truthful than you?

  71. Mar

    Le ROI, you said you support law enforcement. That is your lie. You do not support law enforcement, but actually the opposite. You hate law enforcement.

  72. Randall Flagg

    Shaun King is called an activist. I don’t see anything about founder of BLM.

    The article Mar linked actually proves Mar wrong

    “King, who’s a blogger on the liberal Daily Kos, has been a very prominent face of the Black Lives Matter movement since the police shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri”

    BLM started after George Zimmerman gunned down Trayvon Martin in 2012.  The Michael Brown shooting was in 2014.

    Getting involved in a movement 2 years after it is created is not a being a founder.

  73. Randall Flagg

    Le ROI, you said you support law enforcement. That is your lie. You do not support law enforcement, but actually the opposite. You hate law enforcement.

    Go ahead and show proof Le Roi hates law enforcement. It can go in the same post with proof Shaun King was a founder of BLM.

  74. Mar

    “Pursuant to the principles of federalism, the Supreme Court has interpreted the Tenth Amendment to prevent the federal government from commandeering or requiring state officers to carry out federal directives. This principle thus prevents Congress from requiring states or localities to mandate masks.”
    Hope the link works.

  75. jjf

    Mar, why do you denounce the Proud Boys?  What did they do or say they believe that you don’t like?

    If you’re hunting for racist thoughts, you have help in the WisGOP.

  76. Mar

    Racist Randall, if you support BLM as Le Roi does, you hate law enforcement and you are a racist.
    That goes for you, Racist Randall.

  77. Le Roi du Nord

    Wrong again, mar. I support law enforcement, always have, always will.  I’m on the side of the good guys.  And there is nothing, absolutely nothing, you can do to prove otherwise.

  78. Randall Flagg

    Keep flailing Mar. It’s entertaining.

  79. Randall Flagg

    Mar is clearly exhibiting the “Either/Or” logical fallacy.  One of his favorites along with Ad hominem, red herring and straw man.

  80. Randall Flagg

    If you support BLM you must hate law enforcement is a great example of a false dilemma/dichotomy.

  81. Le Roi du Nord

    mar, that doesn’t say that the President or Federal Government couldn’t institute a mask mandate.  But your link does say this, “There are no existing federal laws that explicitly address mask wearing for public health purposes, but certain existing authorities could potentially form the basis for such executive action.”

    Another swing and miss..

    And where did I say I support BLM?

  82. Mar

    Le ROI The Cop Hater. You started the denouncement game and you refused to play.
    So I can make any assumption I want and I know you hate cops.
    You support groups that hate cops and that are racist.
    Guess what:
    That makes a racist.
    You are a hateful person.
    You are a very hateful person.
    Deal with it.

  83. jjf

    Mar, I gave you a link to a WisGOP stalwart talking about racism within the GOP.  Did you read it?

    Yes, Randall, spot-on.  Kevin does it, too.  Denounce!

  84. Le Roi du Nord

    Wrong again, mar. I didn’t start the “denouncement game”. Were you able to read and retain you would recall that denouncement is the default demand for our favorite DQ operator. You really don’t pay attention, do you?

    So your assumptions, as error ridden as the are, take the place of facts and reality in marworld? You are no better than Kellyanne, promoting alternative facts, and in your case, outright lies. Bravo!!

  85. penquin

    10th Amendment also means that the Federal Gov’t can’t impose speed limits on state highways yet they still managed to do exactly that. Figure out how they pulled that one off and you’ll begin to understand how a nation-wide mask mandate could also be put into action…

  86. Mar

    penguin, the State sets the speed limits on State highways. Local governments set speed limits on local roads and the Feds set the speed limits on Interstate highways.

  87. Mar

    “Le Roi du Nord says:
    September 30, 2020 at 1:25 pm
    I’ll denounce them. k, how about you? You know, denouncing is your thing.”
    Moron. Liar. Delusional.

  88. Mar

    Pat using Twitter again.
    Pat, Twitter is not legitimate news.
    And I watched the exchange and afterwards and Robert’s was acting like a baby. Complaining about people ripping him on Twitter. Even Bill Bennett, the great conservative ripped Roberts.

  89. Pat


    No Twitter is not a news outlet. No one has ever said they were. Fox News is a news outlet. A post to Twitter of John Roberts on Fox News is news. Boots and Sabers isn’t a news outlet, but allows links from other sources to be posted to it, which may include news.

    But I think you already knew all this. Or you’re just being obtuse.

  90. Le Roi du Nord


    Were you capable of reading you would have noticed I didn’t start the denouncement game on this thread, nor on any other. But reality means nothing to you, right?

  91. Mar

    Racist Le Roi, you challenged Kevin. You played aling.
    Now go and put on your White hood and robe and go play with your buddies.
    Pathetic you are such a racist and cop hater.

  92. Pat

    I believe I started the denouncement game on this thread.

    Come on man, give credit where credit is due.

  93. Mar

    So, you are the one.
    But Le Roi played along. He refuses to denounce Antifa and the group Black Lives Matter by name.
    It would be so easy to do.
    But he chooses not to.
    So, I assume he supports these groups.
    Since they are very violent, racist and cop haters, one can assume that Le Roi has the same views.
    So sad, so pathetic.

  94. Le Roi du Nord

    And again, mar gets caught in a lie and doubles down on his dishonesty. And you call others liars and delusional. Amazing display of dishonesty run amok. And no, I didn’t play “aling “. And no, I’m not a racist or a cop hater. And you can’t prove it.


    I’ll give credit. Keep up the good work!

  95. Mar

    Hush KKK Le Roi. Go get your soothy and blankly and go take your nappy.
    You need to rest that racist and hateful brain of yours.

  96. jjf

    A mind is a terrible thing to blankly.

  97. Le Roi du Nord

    Too bad mar, no kkk here, nor proud boys.  And I don’t hate anyone, not even you.  But I do pity your small and petty life.

  98. Pat

    “Go get your soothy and blankly and go take your nappy.“


  99. dad29

    joining the Proud Boys is not masturbating for  a month.

    Pflugg’s crotch-fascination emerges again.

  100. jjf

    Dad29, are the Catholics like you the experts on abstaining from sex and masturbation?  Can I add circumcision, too?  Crotch-Fascination, you say?

  101. dad29

    Figure out how they pulled that one off

    Follow the money; that accounts for 99% of Fed dictatorship success.

  102. jjf

    Yeah, Brad Parscale got a little agitated when he realized they might be following the money.

  103. Pat

    If the exchange was a cesspool for a swamp, I’d gladly take the swamp back,

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