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2119, 22 May 20

Trump Labels Churches Essential

This wouldn’t be the first time that the federal government had to defend constitutional rights from states. Federalism can be messy.

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump on Friday labeled churches and other houses of worship as “essential” and called on governors nationwide to let them reopen this weekend even though some areas remain under coronavirus lockdown.

The president threatened to “override” governors who defy him, but it was unclear what authority he has to do so.

“Governors need to do the right thing and allow these very important essential places of faith to open right now — for this weekend,” Trump said at a hastily arranged press conference at the White House. Asked what authority Trump might have to supersede governors, White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said she wouldn’t answer a theoretical question.


2119, 22 May 2020


  1. Randall Flagg

    “These are places that hold our society together and keep our people united,” he (Trump)  added.

    Yes, because religions are ever so tolerant of other religions, and never push people apart……

  2. Kevin Scheunemann


    …and the godless cheer the shutdown of churches to demonstrate their total intolerance.

    1st Amendment guarantees freedom of religion.

    Check into it.

  3. Randall Flagg

    I say open them wide and pack them with believers.  I was only commenting on the ridiculousness of Trump’s statement.


  4. Kevin Scheunemann

    And I was commenting on your ridiculous snark.

  5. kjanz1899

    In this country the religions who are intolerant are fringe groups.

  6. kjanz1899

    Intolerant of other religions.

  7. Mar

    Yes, Randall, you are an atheist, and while I disagree with you, I can understand your feelings.
    Yes, religions can be intolerant but there others who are not. That’s why we have Christian’s of all stripes helping the least fortunate throughout the world.
    And while I disagree with Kevin’s view of his religion, I also respect him for his beliefs.
    It’s too bad people like jjf and Le Roi are so bigoted against person’s religious beliefs.

  8. Merlin

    Earlier this week AG Barr yet again urged states to cease the blanket violations of people’ s first amendment rights of religion and assembly. He announced the week prior the DoJ’s willingness to act on such violations. The various Governors can’t say they haven’t been given adequate warning to modify their lockdown orders to allow the exercise of some degree of first amendment rights. If they chose to argue they have the authority to indefinitely suspend constitutional rights in total they’re pushing a losing hand.

  9. jjf

    Which church and which pew will Trump be sitting in come Sunday morning?  How close to his neighbors?

  10. dad29

    Which church and which pew will Trump be sitting in come Sunday morning?

    As if that had anything to do with ‘free exercise.’  OK, then:  which church will YOU be in–and if “none,” why not?

  11. Le Roi du Nord

    Well, the Catholic Churches up here are all closed by order of the bishop.

  12. jjf

    Dad29, are you saying you support a non-religious President?

  13. dad29

    As you may have guessed already, LeeeeeeeeeeRoy, I have VERY serious issues with gutless Bishops.

    It is amazing that Abp Hebda (Twin Cities) did what he did up there.  Walz will cave.  He cannot possibly arrest all the Catholic and Missouri Lut’ran pastors in the State.

    Had Listecki & Co. done that across Wisconsin, even without the Lut’rans, Evers would also have caved.

  14. dad29

    are you saying you support a non-religious President?

    He’s the President, not the Pope.  All I want from the President is an aggressive Americanism, including an aggressive defense of the entire Bill of Rights as written.

    Are you saying you support a RELIGIOUS President?

    See how silly your questions actually are, Jiffy??

  15. Le Roi du Nord

    I don’t guess or make assumptions. I’ll leave that to the folks more removed from the facts.

    And yes, you seems to have issues related to most reality based things.

  16. dad29

    Well, LeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeRoy, I’m far more into reality than an old wiseacre  bureaucrat.

  17. Kevin Scheunemann

    Nord is part of the godless celebrating church being shutdown.

    Awful. Just awful.

    Liberals oppose 1st commandment and the 1st amendment.

    It’s gross.

  18. Le Roi du Nord

    No k, I don’t care one way or the other.

    You are lying again. Awful. Absolutely awful on your part.

  19. Kevin Scheunemann


    The fact you “don’t care” when an essential exercise of 1st amendment is being stepped on toward others is awful on your part.

    Your silence against the liberal oppression is the problem.

    So don’t you lie about your inability to criticize awful behavior toward Constitutional liberty.

  20. Le Roi du Nord


    Take that up with the bishop, not me.

  21. Kevin Scheunemann


    Why must you be so dishonest?

    We are discussing government stepping on first amendment, not church leaders deciding what is best for their church.

    Why must you demonstrate so much dishonesty in your uncaring godlessness on this issue?

  22. Mar

    Le Roi is your typical liberal. He loves it when liberals the liberals are tyrants.
    He loves it liberals take away actual rights from citizens but cries like a baby when conservatives take away fake rights from liberals.

  23. Kevin Scheunemann

    I just wish he would be more honest and be proud of the tyrant positions he supports.

    Dishonest tyrants are infinitely worse than tyrants at least honest about their awfulness.

  24. Pat

    Just out of curiosity, what fake rights have conservatives taken away?

  25. Mar

    Pat, none.
    But the liberals still cry about Act 10.

  26. Le Roi du Nord


    I was responding to a question posed to jjf. Unfortunately, rather than paying attention to the discussion you prefer to exercise your right to expose your self-induced ignorance. Bravo.

  27. Pat

    So, conservatives didn’t take away any fake rights.

  28. Kevin Scheunemann


    Nice try.

    You didn’t even respond to any of jjf’s questions…and then you address me in response.

    Are you outraged about liberals denying first amendment on religious gatherings, or not?

    You can’t even be honest in your deflections from subject!

  29. Le Roi du Nord


    What part of “I was responding to a question posed to jjf” don’t you understand?   Until you become more familiar with the language and common definitions of words in everyday use it is hard to have a meaningful conversation with you.  I’m sure your local tech college can help you out with some remedial classes.

    And as I said earlier, I don’t care if the church services are cancelled or not.  I am certainly not outraged.  This is a community health issue, not one of religious freedom.  If you attend a service, contract the virus, and spread it in your community you should be shunned, banned, and hopefully prosecuted. But since religion is your crutch in a complex world I understand why you feel compelled to attend, but not while you feel it is your right to infect your fellow citizens.

  30. Mar

    So, Le Roi still supports the tyranny lockdown concept.
    He also wants to restrict travel of people.
    Of course, since people of color are more likely to catch the disease, Le Roi is really saying keep the people of color out of my city

  31. Le Roi du Nord

    No mar, I never said that. Why make such an outrageous claim when you are so easily proven wrong?

    And I haven’t lived in a city for 40 years . Wrong again, mar.

  32. Kevin Scheunemann


    So you don’t care about the first amendment in terms of freedom of religion at all?

    Awful.  Just awful.


  33. Mar

    Le Roi, you are the one who supported the lockdown and wanted to restrict travel. After all, it just takes a car ride to spread the Chinese virus. Remember that?
    You also did not want people to travel to your neck of the woods. Remember that?
    You barely scolded Biden and his very racist comment. Remember that.
    That makes you a racist.
    So yeah, what I said was correct.

  34. Le Roi du Nord


    I never said anything about tyranny. That is all on the alleged “conservatives” on this site. So take responsibility for your lies. Grow up.

  35. Mar

    And this coming from a Pathological Liar Le Roi.
    You are a funny guy, Le Roi.
    Now go eat some watermelon so you can say you’re not a racist.

  36. Mar

    Pat, you better go back home. The security guards at Mendota are wondering where you are.

  37. jjf

    Do I support religious politicians?  I think most of them are lying about their beliefs to get votes.  Does that make me cynical?

  38. Le Roi du Nord


    No. It makes you a realist.

  39. Mar

    I actually agree with jjf on this one.

  40. Mar

    Sorry Le Roi, most of the quotes were accurate.
    But hey if you support black Lives Don’t Matter, don’t think Hati and some African countries are not shit hole countries, if you think illegal immigration is ok, well then you are just an ignorant individual.

  41. jjf

    But there are plenty of people who fervently believe that their candidate’s stated beliefs are sincerely held, and hold this up as a reason to vote for them, or that other people should vote for them.  They’ll even ignore demonstrations that would prove them wrong.  (“Two Corinthians,” for example.)

    And there are plenty of people who will use their own religious beliefs as a test against a candidate’s pretended religious beliefs, or better yet, say they should should or shouldn’t hold a particular political position because of some interpretation of belief.

  42. Kevin Scheunemann


    So you will practice that when the candidate shows cultish religious belief on global warming, evolution, and the intersecgtional victim pyraimid on sociological issues?

    Don’t make me laugh.   You have your religious standards you hold your candidates to….stop being a disgusting, gross, borish,  hypocrite.


  43. jjf

    Drinking and relaxing on your day off?

  44. dad29

    But there are plenty of people who……

    ….blah, blah, blah.

    So What?

    Now an observation:  the Left screeches loudly that ALL SHOULD VOTE!!

    Which part of that “all” do you wish to disenfranchise with your concerns, Jiffy?

  45. Mar

    And jjf, there are plenty who don’t.

  46. NHolland

    My right to life comes before anyone’s right to pray!
    Didn’t hear anyone complaining when Boston was locked down…

  47. dad29

    My right to life comes before anyone’s right to pray!

    Yup.  Stay home.  Wouldn’t want you to get those ChiComCooties by being within 200 feet of anyone.

  48. Le Roi du Nord


    Classic racist talking points, you are covering all the bases. You must be proud of your intolerance.

  49. Le Roi du Nord


    Sound science isn’t a cult. Quit your lying ways, repent your chronic lying. See the light of truth.

  50. NHolland

    Your sad pity party crap and assumption that I need you to want me sounds more like a bad Cheap Trick song than an arguement to precautions responsible government took to save lives. LIVES… The ones that all you numbskulls defended relentlessly with the “All Lives Matter” crap. As you know opinions on B&S are as wishy washy as a mouth full of cum. Now, I will entertain an educated opinion if you have one.

  51. Mar

    NHolland… another liberal troll.
    Not worth wasting time on you bud.

  52. Pat

    “Not worth wasting time on you bud.“

    And yet, you did.

  53. NHolland

    Hey Mar,
    I’ve been posting on B&S for years.
    Have a consistent conservative voting record.
    And my nickname isn’t bud.
    So, you’re wrong on all accounts.
    Typical, nothing intelligent to say so I’ll pull out my elementary school play book.
    Well… I’m rubber you’re glue. Whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you!

  54. dad29

    my elementary school play book.

    Can’t be more than 1 year old.

  55. NHolland

    And here comes the B@S cavalry. Still, not an intelligent word on topic. Targets are typos, sentence structure, personal attacks and commands. It’s like the bizarro band of brothers on mushrooms without any actual military experience. Proves why the government NEEDS to tell people to stay home.

  56. Kevin Scheunemann


    Working today.   Just checking to see if you forsake you favoriter religions in the same way when it comes to candidates.

    Clearly not.

    Don’t lecture in a hypocrite manner to others on the topic is all I am saying.

    I am fine choosing candidates based on values on good and evil.   Heaven knows liberals would not know the difference betweeen the basics of the 2.

  57. jjf

    Dad29, not sure how you pivoted to that tangent, but…  yeah, I think more people should be voting than do now, and we should make it easier for eligible folks to make their vote.

  58. Le Roi du Nord


    Agreed, eligible voters should not have to fight the system to vote.

    Since churches are essential, did trump spend time in church yesterday, or on a golf course?

  59. Mar

    “Since churches are essential, did trump spend time in church yesterday, or on a golf course?”
    What a dumbass statement.

  60. Mar

    Yes, jjf, I agree. Eligible voters is the key words. We have to determine who are eligible voters are. I am sure you have no problem with that.

  61. Le Roi du Nord

    Well mar, it takes one to know one. Great job!

  62. dad29

    Eligible voters

    And no Fraud-by-Mail.

  63. Mar

    More stupidity from Pathological Liar Le Roi.
    Of course Uneducated Le Roi would complain if President Trump would fly down to Florida to vote and then fly back to Washington DC.
    But when you are a hater like Dumbass Le Roi, well, well you just hate and hate.

  64. Mar

    I guess Dunmbass Le Roi, all those patients who said the drug helped them must be wrong. They must have been hallucinating.

  65. Le Roi du Nord


    Could you provide some verifiable evidence of, “all those patients who said the drug helped them” ?  Thanks.

    For bonus points:  Provide all the studies that show the drug harmed the users.

  66. Mar

    Studies: None if the drugs is properly.
    People who said it helped them. Look it up on Google, Dumbass Le Roi.

  67. NHolland

    People who say does not a study make.
    Insulting people does an asshole make!

  68. jjf

    NHolland, apparently some folks think the insults add to the strength of their argument.  It’s almost like they think bullies are powerful and to be admired.

  69. Mar

    No, Pat. I am the wearing the T-shirt that says “Pat is the 2nd dumbest person on Earth and hopes the dumbest person doesn’t die”

  70. Pat

    “Pat is the 2nd dumbest person on Earth and hopes the dumbest person doesn’t die”

    Well, Mar, I pray for you to live a hundred years.

  71. NHolland

    Typically I refrain but sometimes can’t turn a blind eye. Seems to me this has become a common part of the dialogue on B&S. It’s one of the reasons, along with idiocy, that I often tune in and read but seldom post. This forum, along with some compromise, has the potential to be a great think tank. So many intelligent people getting wrapped up in semantics.

  72. Le Roi du Nord


    One again you have nothing to back up your claim, yet persist in blaming others for your shortcoming.  How courageous.

  73. NHolland

    I don’t encourage this type of banter but NICE!!!

  74. jjf

    NHolland, again I ask:  Is this the best and the brightest of WisGOP talent?  Is this where they hang out?

  75. NHolland

    I would ask the same of the WI House and Senate. And yes this is where they hang out. Over the years I have seen posts from all kinds… State officials, Mayors, County executives, Alderman, CEOs etc etc. Problem is they now hide behind fake screen names. To cowardice to get caught letting their real thoughts and opinions out into the public. I find it amusing you think WisGOP has talent at all. I’m proud to be a conservative but distance myself from any Party so easily manipulated and controlled by the likes of Trump. So, back on topic… If it wasn’t for the voting power of the Christian Right Trump could give two shits about churches being open. My pastor said “the power of faith doesn’t come from the church structure or that we assemble there. The power of faith comes from our prayers, our worship of God, our belief that closing our doors will not stop our faith but make it stronger. If our actions spare one soul the misery inflicted by this virus then not only have our prayers been answered but our actions are just.” Some speak of rights and freedom but on a daily basis sacrifice these. Beach closed, mountain pass closed, eminent domain, airlines grounded, Boston locked down etc etc etc. To this day nobody really knows exactly how the “Chinese virus” came to be. Maybe it’s a biological weapon. This I do know… The main function of the U.S. government is to protect the citizens of the U.S. Nobody is going to be able to pray this virus away. Not in church or at home. As I said earlier my right to life comes before anyone’s right to prayer. My right to life comes before anyone’s right to assemble. There’s is plenty of case law that supports my claims. Funny, I think, how Owen speaks of “Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness” but thinks his right to worship in a church is more important than 99,000 lives lost (to date). The selfishness of some and their failure to recognize most need responsible leadership that can adapt to any situation in an effort to saves lives with facts and science are the ones we should pray for.

  76. Le Roi du Nord


    Well said. Thanks.

  77. Pat



  78. Mar

    Good, stay at home and worship, NHolland. And the best.
    Live like a hermit for all I care. The world doesn’t revolve around you. You are not the center of the universe.
    But others do find a place of worship comforting and neccessary. If they want to go to church, a bar, get a haircut, who the hell are you to say no. Or any governor or mayor.
    So, NHolland, climb into your hole, avoid all human contact and be safe.

  79. Pat


    You’d have to admit, Mar is not the most congenial individual when it comes to debating.

  80. Mar

    That is true. I have a low tolerance of idiots.

  81. MjM

    Nazi Nort wonders: So mar, where is the fraud?

    Right here in WI, numbnutz.

  82. Pat

    “I have a low tolerance of idiots.“

    How do you tolerate yourself is the question then.

  83. Mar

    Well, Pat, I tolerate you and your lies and your buffoonery because you can, every blue moon, come up with something good.
    On the other hand, NHolland, I haven’t seen anything but idiocy and hate.

  84. Mar

    Thank you MjM.

  85. Le Roi du Nord


    Since you have all the answers, how many were prosecuted, how many were found guilty?  Based on your own link nobody knew at the time, “Wisconsin Elections Commission directed staff to make the following referrals to the appropriate District Attorney for further investigation as to whether an individual voted in the 2018 General Election in both Wisconsin and also another state”.

    And do you feel that 43 out of just shy of 2.7 million voters is significant?

  86. MjM

    NewHolland plows the field: …. State officials, Mayors, County executives, Alderman, CEOs etc etc. Problem is they now hide behind fake screen names. To cowardice to get caught letting their real thoughts and opinions out into the public.

    Shhhhh!   You don’t want to expose our local self-proclaimed monarch,  Le Roi du Nort, do ya?


  87. Mar

    Le Roi, if it just prevents just one fraudulent vote, it’s worth it.

  88. Le Roi du Nord

    But protecting your community from covid isn’t, correct?

  89. Mar

    There goes Le Roi with the usual and moronic refrain “If it just saves one life “.
    But screw those who died because of the lockdown.
    Go join hermit LHolland in his hole and avoid all human contact. You two will be good hole buddies.

  90. Pat


    God bless you. Your dogged persistence at not giving up on your fake narrative is most admirable. But it doesn’t change the fact that you haven’t been able to produce one lie that originated from me.

    You lose a debate and you become unhinged, disparaging anyone you disagree with. Not a very intelligent way to garner support for your views.

  91. Mar

    No, Lying Pat. You were caught in 2 blatant lies.
    I don’t have to resort to lies to make my point, unlike you and Le Roi.
    If unhinged means calling out lies and buffoonery, then so be it.

  92. Le Roi du Nord


    I won’t befuddle you with the math, but in WI you have a 4 times greater chance of dying from covid19  than there is of even the suspicion of voter fraud occuring (using mjm numbers).

  93. Le Roi du Nord

    “I don’t have to resort to lies to make my point”   Tell that to Keith Hernandez.

  94. Kevin Scheunemann

    One thing I can gleen from this thread:  godless libs really, really, hate churches.

    The liberal hate is just foaming and dripping with contempt for God.

    Try acting without contempt, or with some actual tolerance, for a change.

  95. Mar

    Kevin, to be a good liberal, you have to be a hater. Hater and liberal goes together like peanut butter and honey.

  96. Le Roi du Nord


    Provide some proof, an exact and in context quote that says, “godless libs really, really, hate churches”.


  97. Pat

    “No, Lying Pat. You were caught in 2 blatant lies.“

    Sorry, Mar, there were no lies made that can be attributed originating from me. You had a differing opinion about the accuracy of story I shared.

  98. MjM

    Nazi Nort can’t comprehend:  how many were prosecuted, how many were found guilty?

    The referrals were passed Feb 27, 2020, numbnutz, three months ago. As noted in the referral list, it’s up to local district attorney’s to investigate and charge.  DA’s are not exactly the Road Runner when it comes to investigating/prosecuting anything other than high-profile cases.

    It is unlikely that the uber-leftist DAs in the jurisdictions with the most offenses referred – Ozanne/Dane,  Chisholm/Milwaukee,  Graveley/Kenosha,  and  Wiedenfeld/Walworth –  will even bother.   To do so would go against the Democrap  narrative…

    ….like this one…

    Nazi Nort down plays felony crime, naturally:   do you feel that 43 out of just shy of 2.7 million voters is significant?

    Why, yes.  Yes, I do.

    Obviously, 1 or 10,000,  you and your ilk don’t.

    Unless,  of course, it was all TrumpTrumpTrump, amirite?

    Further, the list released by the WEC concern only those fraudulent votes found cast interstate (only 23 states were ERIC members in 2018).  It does not include anything regarding intrastate vote fraud.

    Given that there are over 209,000 lapsed/fraudulent voter registrations still active in WI, one wonders why the current Phony nEvers administration is actively fighting against following the state law to clean up the voter rolls.

    Nazi Nort, utter blockhead: Based on your own link nobody knew at the time

    Well, yes.  It’s rather hard to detect a crime before a crime is committed.

    FWIW, it took 5 years to find and convict Robert Monroe.  And Monroe should have been jailed for 8 years.


  99. Le Roi du Nord


    It isn’t fraud until it is proven.  And you admit that it hasn’t. So you really don’t know, do you?

  100. Randall Flagg

    “One thing I can gleen from this thread:  godless libs really, really, hate churches.”

    and churches have given ample reason to show that hate is justified.

    “Try acting without contempt, or with some actual tolerance, for a change.”

    Tolerate the abuse of children, perpetrated by priests and pastors and enabled by leadership?  Never.

  101. Mar

    Le Roi comes from the thinkers of the world that everyone, especially illegals vote.
    He doesn’t care if a person illegally voting cancels out a person who voted legally.
    How anti-American is that?

  102. Le Roi du Nord

    No mar, I have never said that, nor do I believe that.  But I also don’t think that eligible voters should have to struggle against the system to cast a vote.

  103. MjM

    Nazi Nort can’t read anything:  So you really don’t know, do you?

    To the contrary, yes, I do know.  So does ERIC,  the WEC,  Phony nEvers,  and the DAs who have been informed.  Put it this way;  there is more solid evidence inherent in these referrals than in the made-up case against Flynn.

    But just for grins, let’s hear your explanation for how someone voted in the same election….

    “At polls in WI and in IL”

    “Absentee in WI, at polls in IL”

    “At polls in WI, vote by mail in CO”

    “Absentee in WI, vote by mail in IL”

    ….is not an indication outright vote fraud.


    Nazi Nort thinks he’s nailed it:   but in WI you have a 4 times greater chance of dying from covid19  than there is of even the suspicion of voter fraud occuring

    Speaking of befuddlement,  that is an utterly nonsensical attempt at (some weird) equivalence.

    Combined with your “nobody knew at the time” howler above,  once again you appear to be challenging for the DMOTP title.

    Here’s a few comparisons that are actually coherent;

    As of today, in WI you have a 22.4 times greater chance of dying from heart disease than from CCPVirus.

    As of today, in WI you have a 20.8 times greater chance of dying from cancer than from CCPVirus.

    As of today, based on 2017 totals, in WI you have a 97.73 times greater chance of dying from anything else other than from CCPVirus.



  104. NHolland

    Speaking of holes… You are an asshole!

  105. Le Roi du Nord


    “there is more solid evidence inherent in these referrals than in the made-up case against Flynn”   Is there?

    And you have a 4x greater chance of dying from the virus than voter fraud occurring.  You guys have claimed for months that the virus was a nothing burger, but 43 potential, but not proven, voter fraud cases are significant.


  106. Mar

    Wow, NHolland, what an intelligent response.
    Well, maybe not. You say you are smart but I have seen no signs of it.
    In fact, I see no signs of life. Though I give you credit. Not many people can type with 3 brain cells.

  107. dad29

    my right to life comes before anyone’s right to prayer. My right to life comes before anyone’s right to assemble

    Good.  Stay home.  By the way, claiming “Conservatism” and denying the power of prayer is all anyone really needs to know.

    I understand Sykes has extra crying towels for NeverTrumpers.  You should get in touch with him.

  108. Mar

    ” But I also don’t think that eligible voters should have to struggle against the system to cast a vote.”
    Please tell us what the struggle is?

  109. Kevin Scheunemann


    So you admit your hate and contempt?

    You do know there are millions of christians out there that have nothing to do with Roman Catholic church,or any of those absues?

    As a Christian, I am the first to denounce evil when it comes to the abuse of children,whether by godless priests, godless abortion, or liberal policies destroying the two parent family under God’s design.

    Will you denounce all that godless child abuse?   Nord will, for sure, stick up for 2 of those 3.


  110. Randall Flagg


    Yes I denounce all organizations that had thousands of known abusers, moved them to other places where they would continue to abuse, fought efforts to make information public, spent millions on lobbyists to fight laws to help abuse victims, paid for abortions while preaching against them and still have not come clean about the scope of the problem.  And they did all this while claiming to be the moral authority.

    If you know of other organizations other than religions, I will gladly condemn them.  But i see no organizations in your list.


  111. Randall Flagg

    ” the power of prayer”  That’s hilarious.

  112. Le Roi du Nord


    And I’m sure you want to back to stoning adulterers, right?

  113. Kevin Scheunemann


    Do you condemn the baby slaughter at Planned Parenthood and other liberal baby killing camps?



  114. Randall Flagg


    No baby killing/slaughter occurs at planned parenthood.

  115. Kevin Scheunemann


    Clearly, you excuse awful baby killing, by ignoring its existence.

    Awful. Just awful.

    That makes you very immoral and no better than peopl covering for priest your denounce.




  116. Le Roi du Nord

    “liberal baby killing camps” ?  Perhaps you could share some details.  Or is this just more hyperbole, like former WI AG Van Hollen and his imaginary terrorist training camps?

  117. Randall Flagg


    Baby killing exists.  It’s just that planned parenthood doesn’t do it.  planned parenthood terminates fetuses.  If they killed an infant I would expect them to be charged.  Of course, according to the Bible God did kill babies so, given you believe in the Bible, that might be Ok with you.

  118. Randall Flagg


    If you are confused and need an example of baby killing, google Genene Jones.  She believes in God and touts the Gospels just like you.

  119. Kevin Scheunemann

    Look at you 2, dehumanizing babies, like they don’t matter.

    That is what disgusting liberal ideology does to eliminate people they hate.

    You 2 are awful. Just awful.

    Admitted baby killing advocates, denying the atrocity, attempting to morally lecture others.

    Like Bill Clinton putting on a sexual fidelity seminar.

  120. jjf

    What’s really funny, Kev, is that it’s usually the religious zealots who are putting on the sexual fidelity seminars.  How’s that worked so far?

  121. Kevin Scheunemann



  122. Mar

    “It’s just that planned parenthood doesn’t do it.  planned parenthood terminates fetuses.  If they killed an infant I would expect them to be charged.”
    So, a baby in the womb is just a fetus at 9 months? That’s a pretty disgusting thought.
    Well, at least you don’t favor infanticide. Too bad many of your liberals buddies don’t agree with you, like Russ Feingold.

  123. Merlin

    They don’t just kill. They also profit from the sale of body parts. Marketed as full service women’s reproductive health, doncha know.

  124. Le Roi du Nord


    I didn’t say this and never have, “Look at you 2, dehumanizing babies, like they don’t matter”.

    What I did do is ask you a question and you haven’t answered. Why is that?  Because you were lying to begin with.

  125. jjf

    Well, actually, Mar, I heard on a reputable web site that it’s a fetus until it can vote for a Democrat, so you can terminate until they’re 18.

    Merlin, keep up.

  126. Randall Flagg

    The problem with using vague terms like ‘baby’ is that two people can reasonably picture different stages in development.  I see it as after live birth, others see it as in the womb.

    That is why it is important to use more precise terms in discussions and postings.  I prefer the medical definitions:

    *Embryo:  conception to 8 weeks

    *Fetus:  8 weeks to live birth

    *Infant:  live birth to 1 year (or 2 years)


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