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2039, 21 Feb 19

Hagedorn Responds to Anti-Religion Bigots

from RightWisconsin.

By Judge Brian Hagedorn

The recent attacks against me go far beyond this campaign. The underlying argument, no matter how it is packaged, is that you cannot be a person of faith and, at the same time, be a faithful judge who treats everyone with respect. Their message is clear: people of faith need not apply.

But the Constitution requires adherence to no creed; it provides no religious test for public office. I wish Lisa Neubauer would agree and uphold the Constitution. Instead, she has partnered with her special interest allies to demand a religious and moral creed that she wishes to impose on people like me. If you don’t agree with it, you can’t serve in public life. This is dangerous and wrong. By standing by these shameful attacks with a wink and a nod, it is Lisa Neubauer who has made clear she cannot be trusted to defend our constitutional freedoms.

All this is a desperate effort to distract voters from the real issue in this race: Lisa Neubauer and her allies want to take over the Supreme Court to accomplish their political agenda. And they will do anything to personally destroy me to accomplish their political goals through our courts.

I remain undaunted by these smears, and I’m not going to back down. I’m running to protect the public and defend the rule of law. Everyone should be treated with dignity and respect. The job of a judge is to say what the law is, not what the judge thinks the law should be. And unlike Lisa Neubauer, I will protect your religious freedom to practice whatever faith you may hold.

If you truly want an impartial judge, stand against these shameful attacks.

Realize that the standard the Liberals are setting – with Hagedorn and many of the federal appointments – is that one can’t be a practicing Christian and serve as a judge. They are arguing that mainstream Christian views are inherently disqualifying. They are seeking to impose the exact kind of religious test for public office that our Founders abhorred.


2039, 21 February 2019


  1. Kevin Scheunemann

    That is because the church of liberalism demands strict adherence to its godlessness, immorality, and bigotry!

    What liberals are doing here is super disgusting and hateful.

    It is evil and intolerant.

  2. jjf

    Run with it, Owen.  Why did the Founders abhor a religious test?  What were they trying to avoid?


  3. Jason

    jff, I know your head is spinning… but…

    Run with this… the Founders were NOT trying to avoid having people with religious beliefs from serving in leadership roles.   Even with your spinning head, you know that.  So save your childish attempts at snarky though provoking followup questions for fellow head-spinning Bernie supporters.

  4. jjf

    Come on, Jason, this is your time to shine.  Tell us why the Founders didn’t want a religious test for office.  I didn’t say anything about avoiding electing people with religious beliefs, did I?

  5. Kevin Scheunemann

    What is up with this new liberal approach that we should research and make their idiotic liberal argument for them?

    It presumes a mountain of arrogance and a pile of contempt for rational, normal, well stated, thought.

    I see that approach to almost be the equivalent to the Jussie Smollet hoax.

    It’s disgusting and reprehensible.

  6. jjf

    I’m not asking for you to make my argument.  I’m asking for yours.  Would you like me to point you to references or interpretations, and with which sort of bias or none?

    Owen’s post mentions the Founder’s intent.

    I think the approach of applying “disgusting and reprehensible” to every little thing is pretty silly.  Downright Trumpian.

  7. steveegg

    I’m not at all surprised the Left doesn’t know the difference between “religious” and “religion”, and  morphed the “no religious test” to “no-religion test”

  8. jjf

    Pish-posh.  Owens’ making up stuff here.  Show me where “the Liberals” are saying you can’t be “a practicing Christian” and be a judge.


  9. Kevin Scheunemann


    “Not until I went into the churches of America and heard her pulpits flame with righteousness did I understand the secret of her genius and power.   america isgreat because America is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.”—–Alexis de Tocqueville

    “But we have forgotten God.  We have forgotten the gracious Hand which preserved us in peace, and multiplied and enriched and strengthened us; and we have vainly imagined, in the deceitfulness of our hearts, that all these blessings were produced by some superior wisdom and virtue of our own”.—-Abraham Lincoln

    “I am sure that never was a people, who had more reason to acknowledge a Divine interposition in their affairs, than those of the United States; and I should be pained to believe that they have forgotten that agency, which was so often manifested during our revolution, or that they failed to consider the omnipotence of that God who is alone able to protect them”.—George Washington ….1792.

    So you are going to stand against the great thinkers of our nation on this?  Lincoln, Washington, Tocqueville?   They all inisisted leaders be grounded in Christianity, you are arguing for evil dominate to our leaders of today, these fine men warned against!

    Shame on you. Shame on all godless liberals!

  10. jjf

    Which of those was a Founder, Kevin?

  11. Kevin Scheunemann


    Then, or course, the writer of the First Amendment wrote:

    “The belief in a God all powerful wise and good, is so essential to the moral order of the world and to the happiness of man, that arguments which enforce it cannot be drawn from too many sources nor adopted with too much solicitude to the different characters and capacities to be impressed with it.”—James Madison

  12. jjf

    Getting closer, Kevin!  What did Madison think about the religious test?  Did you find any references on that?

    But this is all to distract from “The Disastrous Candidacy of Brian Hagedorn”, where Murphy asks “Who vetted him?”

  13. Kevin Scheunemann


    “America’s God and Country” by William Federer. P.748, footnote #34 provides 4 academic sources for this quote from Tocqueville and it seems to indicate attributions from writings other than “Democracy in America.”

    George Washington was NOT a Founding Father?

    How revisionist of US history are you?

    what difference doies it make if his clear, articulate thought was in “private” at the time?   We have tremendous communication means available today he did not have.   It clears up his Christian thought process which you liberals seek to destroy, ostricize, and exile.

  14. Kevin Scheunemann


    No one has ever advocated a “religious test”.

    It is you libs that are demanding the candidate must pledge allegiance to the godlessness immorality of ones evil desires in order to serve.   By defending the liberal attack against this Christian, you are the one instituting a ‘religious test.”

    It’s “OK” to be Christian.

    Just like it is “OK” to be white.

  15. Kevin Scheunemann


    Nice to see you have the good sense not to attack Lincoln, but I can see your inability to attack his quote really grinds on you….

  16. jjf

    During congressional appointment processes, if politicians are asking questions that serve as proxies for particular religious belief, is it a religious test for office?  Is that what the Founders wanted to avoid?

    There are plenty of politicians and judges who are religious and many who would call themselves Christian.

    Do they pass your particular litmus tests, or will they too be pushed into the “no true Christian” category?

  17. Kevin Scheunemann


    I always encourage any leader towards living the Christian mission.

    Given a choice between a Christian that does the right thing, and a non-Christian embracing all sorts of secular evil….of course, I will choose the Christian.

    The point here is: liberals are making a case, that being Christian, and living in the light of grace of Jesus is a disqualifying offense!

    It shows how evil the world has become in trying to stomp out the last vesitages of grace the world has left in the few good Christians living their faith openly.

    It is awful and very intolerant.

  18. dad29

    Homosexual practices are immoral, period.

    They are also legal in this country at this time.

    Unlike the bigots Neubauer and Baldwin, thinking adults can tell the difference between “moral” and “legal.”  Neubauer and Baldwin prefer that their voters do not think; that is to say, they prefer Democrats.


  19. MHMaley

    The majority of the Founders were Deists , not Christians .

    As long as the Judge recuses himself from any issues regarding a LGBT person , he can try any case he gets . But his views on Homisexuality are now well known and are disqualifying ( since it legal but it can get you or your kid kicked out of a Church / school practicing the Judges version of Jesus’s teaching’s .

  20. Kevin Scheunemann


    Let me get this straight: The Christian has to embrace every form of sexual immorality in their church in order to be “qualifying”?

    Now who has the “religious test” with a commandment, “thou shalt embrace every sexual immorality in your religion”. That is the church of liberalism command. A Christian does that in the church, they risk their soul being out side the grace of Christ.

  21. Le Roi du Nord


    You are assuming that the christian will do the right thing.  What if the choice were the christian that does the wrong thing, and a non-christian doing the right thing?

    “Given a choice between a Christian that does the right thing, and a non-Christian embracing all sorts of secular evil….of course, I will choose the Christian”.

  22. MHMaley

    Homosexuals and their parents have EXACTLY the same rights as any other Americans no matter what a 2,000 year old book says .

    Discrimination against them is no different than ANY discrimination and a Judge who has experessed perfectly his agreement with that discrimination is not fit for the job .

    Hard to see how that can be defended .

  23. Kevin Scheunemann


    There is substantial likelihood the Christian will do the right thing.

    Besides you do not judge good and evil, there is only tolerance for you….no matter how evil the evil may get.    You tolerate.

    Leave the good and evil discernment to Christians, you will be better off.


  24. Kevin Scheunemann


    We were not talking about that.

    We were talking about your statement that a Christian church cannot adhere to the Ten commandments in practice, especially when it comes to adultery and sexual relations outside a marriage of God’s design….you said that is “disqualifying”.

    So not only do we Christians have to adhere to the gosless immorality of the church of liberalism in public, we also have to adhere to the immorality in our churches?    or be disqualified?

    What happened to free execise of religion?

    I’d like you to go into any Mosque and demand the same thing.   Why are you not denouncing your latest Congreswoman from MN, she supports Muslim execution of homosexxuals….Christians are agaisnt that.

    Seems your church of liberalism needs to get its house in order.


  25. dad29

    Maley makes assertions that his bank account can’t cash, as usual.  Not surprising that he also ignores the real argument:  the distinction between “moral” and “legal” that any thinking adult can make.

    Maley can’t pass that test.

    And Kevin’s right:  Maley is the bigot here.  He can prattle all day long about “rights” but can’t spell “responsibilities.”  One NEVER has a right to do what is wrong, and any thinking Christian knows that–which is why the Christian is a better bet as a judge.  But that’s beside the point.


  26. Le Roi du Nord


    There is no more likelihood a christian will do the right thing any more than they won’t.  See: Crusades, Inquisition, Northern Ireland, etc….

    I don’t tolerate self-serving dishonesty, nor your contention that only you are able to discern good from evil, right from wrong.  That’s why I call you out for it.

  27. dad29

    Nothing like the old 6th-grade list of “Catholic Eeeeeeeeeeeevils” that’s been proven wrong for around 20 years, eh, Leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeroy?  You are THE example of a mind-numbed robot on this board, and are living proof of my contention that the (D) Party attracts people incapable of thought.  Like Occasional Cortex, e.g.

  28. jjf

    Step right up, place your bets!  Who’s going to win this election?

  29. Le Roi du Nord


    What exactly has been proven wrong?

  30. Kevin Scheunemann


    Hard to bet on this election because godless liberals play rough and dirty.

    Hagedorn is a nice a guy and will counter the liberal evil with grace to win this election.

    This will come down to voters embracing grace or embracing the liberal evil tactics.

  31. jjf

    Le Roi, if we just held down our ‘e’ key more often, we’d be as smart as Dad29!

    Kevin, are there godless liberal Realtors?  Because that retraction’s going to sting.

  32. Kevin Scheunemann


    Realtors are victims of the godless liberals.

  33. Le Roi du Nord

    Once again, k gets to decide victimhood.

  34. MHMaley

    Kev , I prefer the term “Magicless Liberal” if you please .

  35. Kevin Scheunemann


    Of course I do! You think liberals should have a monopoly on that?

    Drives you crazy that I have taken that monopoly away from the church of liberalism, doesn’t it?

  36. Kevin Scheunemann


    If you want to be known as the “magicless liberal”, I am more than willing to accommodate.

    Curious. Does “godless” bother your conscience? ( like you know you are doing something wrong, but don’t want to admit it?)

    Does “magicless” make you feel better when it comes to your unbelief?

  37. jjf

    Kevin, he’s also probably leprechaun-less and Thor-less and Zeus-less.  Me too!

    Dad29, as for the moral authority of the Catholic Church, let’s listen to an archbishop.  What’s your personal experience?  Any anecdotes?  Abstinence makes the church grow fondlers?

  38. Kevin Scheunemann


    Then “godless” would be more accurate and truthful for Mark to use. Glad you agree.

  39. Le Roi du Nord


    You play your personal victim card pretty regularly, so it would be easy to prove that there never was a monopoly by liberals.

    FYI:  There is no church of liberalism.

  40. jjf

    Come on, Le Roi.  For those who feel compelled on Sunday mornings, there’s always Unitarianism, and there aren’t many conservatives there.  The other days of the week, there’s WPR.

  41. MHMaley

    Kev, I have no issue with your belief in magic .

    Man has created over 10,000 Gods to explain the unexplainable . None of them can provide any evidence for their belief and when their God doesn’t produce the results they want/ pray for , they tell themselves that it ,he ,she is mysterious .
    It’s all so convenient .

    Most folks are atheists about all of those 10,000+ Gods but their own .

    It’s a unique kind of arrogance if you think about
    it .

    As a wise man once posted on his refrigerator :
    “Beware the man who knows what God thinks “

  42. Kevin Scheunemann


    Matthew 22:29 says it all.

    Jesus replied, “You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God”.

    However, I am still partial to Romans 1:28 in your case,

    “Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.”



  43. jjf

    So you’re saying your book itself says it’s true, therefore it is true?

  44. Kevin Scheunemann


    Nobody is “eating their own”.

    That is a ridiculous overstatement.

    No surprise the liberal rag found the only 2 godless conservatives in WI who suspiciously sound like liberals when they fail to defend the Christian Faith.

  45. MHMaley

    Kev, thanks for the quotes .

    Getting put down by a Bronze Age prophet Of whom there is scant evidence he even existed and none that he was the SOG is not as hard hitting as you may have believed it would be when you typed it .

  46. Kevin Scheunemann


    Your refrigerator magnet has all the authority then?

    Would it help if I had these bible quotes on my refrigerator then, in magnet form?

    How would we settle the authority issue at that point?

  47. jjf

    Kevin, I bet you do have some Bible quotes up around your home and maybe even your business.  Are they on magnets?  Or just taped-up?

  48. Kevin Scheunemann


    A little of both. Is that OK?

  49. jjf

    How do you know those two conservatives are godless?

    Can’t a person be Christian and disagree with you on how to implement their beliefs in person and in the civil sphere?

  50. Kevin Scheunemann

    Any critics that call out a Christian for belonging to a bible believing church that enforces the standards of biblical marriage and sexual relations in the church is seriously corrupt in their Christianity, if they are even Christian.

  51. jjf

    So you’re saying there are Christians who think other Christians aren’t Christians, but Hagedorn is a Christian because you think he believes what you do?

  52. Le Roi du Nord


    Do you dispute the accuracy of the quotes from Johnson and Jordahl ?  Or the text of the release from the WRA ?  If so, please provide the correct quotes.

    If the quotes are correct it makes no difference which paper publishes them.  Just more lying for jesus from k.


  53. Kevin Scheunemann


    I’m saying if the criticism is of him, and his church, teaching sexual relations are reserved for marriage under God’s design, if those doing criticism are Christian, they are demonic and rejecting the Bible.

  54. Kevin Scheunemann


    They should not have been published at all.

    It is a “hitjob” by the godless.

    Where are these godless on the Muslim MN Congresswoman, she believes in killing Jews and homosexuals! No peep from liberal media there.

    Christians only ask repentance to be part of the church in unity.

  55. Le Roi du Nord


    So censorship is the way to go, eh?  Once again, you condemn anything or anyone with a differing opinion.  How Marxist of you….

  56. Kevin Scheunemann


    Choosing not to cover comments of 2 ridiculous people in newspaper is not censorship, they can spout on social media.

    jSOnline reporting their comments as news is the rankest of liberal bias. It is disgusting.

  57. Le Roi du Nord

    I would bet that Johnson and Jordahl would have the same opinion of you.  And the JS  is smart enough not to cover every ridiculous quote spewing from your mouth.

    How do you feel about the WRA?

  58. Kevin Scheunemann


    Godless not caring about their unbelief in biblical teaching and sin is fairly common. I would not be surprised if they reject any Evangelism in their direction. Still means Christians will try.

    WRA is pathetic. Reversing course because of a little godless pressure says how weak the leadership and Spirit of the WRA really is.

  59. Le Roi du Nord


    Once again you exhibit your pathological need to denigrate those with opinions differing from your own.  Do you honestly believe that you are always correct?  Or are you imitating Sheldon Lee Cooper?

  60. Kevin Scheunemann


    Don’t ask, if you don’t want an honest, truthful answer.

    I love how the godless, like yourself, get on a high moral horse, implying that you don’t always think you are right in lecturing about your godless mindset.

    You have been painfully arrogant in your secular unbelief, constantly ridiculing me for my faith in Creationisn even when subject at hand is not even close to that.

    Your arrogance is unlimited.

  61. jjf

    Unlimited arrogance, you know, like running straight for the “evil” and “demonic” labels when someone has any disagreement with you.

  62. Kevin Scheunemann


    Our society has a problem defining good and evil these days. I cut through the mustard.

    If a Christian criticizes the long practiced biblical conviction and instruction that sexual relations are reserved for a man and woman in a marriage of God’s design, their criticism is demonic and not of the Holy Spirit.

    Such criticism violates several of 10 commandments, it abuses grace and destroys the truth and purity when it comes to the gospel. The Gospel calls upon Christians to openly reject sin and evil in our lives, not embrace it!

    If we mask the truth, we lead people astray, to their eternal destruction.

    You want me to water that down with your lack of discernment between good and evil in your godlessness?

    Never considered that. You are not very convincing on this front.

  63. jjf

    ‘Round here, there are more people who claim they are Christian than claim they don’t believe, so it sounds like you should be expending your energy on fighting with other Christians, apparently as God intends and desires.

  64. Kevin Scheunemann


    I don’t “fight” with other Christians.

    I may correct, rebuke, and encourage if I see other Christians openly advocating sin, but I don’t “fight”.

    I may verbally joust with unbelievers, but “fight” would be too harsh a word.

  65. jjf

    I dunno, Kevin, those are some pretty weak words to use when it comes to opposing the evil demonic nature of other Christians.  Why don’t they believe exactly as you do?  You have the divine insight, they don’t?

  66. Kevin Scheunemann


    The process of correcting a Christian in open error, sin, unbelief, is found in Matthew Chapter 18: 15-19.   It starts out gentle and then gets progressively more stern as the process goes on.    Eventually it warns the Christian in error that they have placed themselves outside the Kingdom of Christ’s grace and that warning is formally served by excommunication from church in hopes Christian will see their error and unrepentance, and repent.

    So on one hand, you must sternly articulate the demonic, but on other hand warn gently, but be more firm toward the evil as the correction and rebuking process progresses.

    Hope that answers your question.


  67. Jason

    Your error Kevin is that you think jjf has a question.  He doesn’t.  He thinks he does, but he doesn’t.  He feels better about himself when he’s on here baiting people with what he thinks is witty banter.  But really he’s just coming off as an idiot.

  68. Kevin Scheunemann


    Probably right.  I was assuming the best with his comment.

  69. jjf

    Jason, I look forward to your informative comments.  When will you make some?

  70. jjf

    Kevin, so how does that work across sect borders?  You’ve successfully corrected Christians who don’t go to your church?

  71. Jason

    jjf, I’m waiting for some to reply to.


    It’s quite obvious you have a thing against conservative mentality.  The fact that you come back here hour after hour, banging away on your keyboard of justice, tells us a LOT about you.  But keep it up, you’re really starting to sway us all – what with your dribble and all.

  72. Kevin Scheunemann


    I will correct Christians across sect boundaries if the Christian exhibits an open disdain for the Gospel on any front, including embracing open sin.

    It is tough to excommunicate someone from another church body, so, at best, I can correct and rebuke openly.

    One hopes the correction takes root.

    The point is: to stand for the truth of the Gospel, no matter how much the world may be against it.

  73. jjf

    Jason, I don’t hang out at any liberal blog.  Are there any?  I wish there was a good place for regional conversation.

  74. Le Roi du Nord

    In 2008, Rick Esenberg, head of the conservative Wisconsin Institute for Law & Liberty, endorsed Neubauer, with whom he had previously worked at the Foley & Lardner law firm.
    “Lisa is a Democrat, but she is not a rabidly political person,” Esenberg wrote. “Back in the day, when a group of us wanted to discuss politics, she would generally beg off or change the subject.”
    He added: “Her politics may be moderately liberal, but she is not a bomb thrower. Quite frankly, no one who is could stay at Foley & Lardner for 19 years representing business.”

  75. Kevin Scheunemann

    The circle is complete.

    Paint Hagedorn as a radical Christian with your awful jsonline link, and soft pedal Lisa as a “moderate”.

    Have you no shame?

    I checked into the Hagedorn campaign yesterday to siign up to help and contribute thanks to you hateful liberls here.

    I am totally disgusted by the left’s hateful war on Hagedorn.   I have not been this disgusted by the left since Hillary Clinton.

  76. Le Roi du Nord


    Do you dispute the accuracy of the Esenberg quote?  If so take it up with the JS, or with Esenberg.  I didn’t call her a moderate, Esenberg did.

    It is no wonder that you struggled in school with such poor comprehension skills.  It isn’t too late, I’m sure there is a public school in your area with a remedial reading class that you would find beneficial.

  77. Kevin Scheunemann


    You lost credibility when you dragged out the jsonline liberal gossip pretending to be news.

  78. Le Roi du Nord


    OK, I’ll ask again, do you dispute the accuracy of the Esenberg quote?  It is a simple question with a one word answer.  Or is it too tough for you?

    Or is your problem that the JS had the courage to accurately quote him? Again, a simple question with a simple answer.

    My credibility isn’t at issue here, but rather your inability to comprehend the written word.

  79. Le Roi du Nord

    And here is a quote attributed to a blog by Hagedorn:

    “Christianity is the correct religion, and that insofar as others contradict it, they are wrong.”

    Doesn’t seem like an impartial or independent sort of guy at all..

  80. Kevin Scheunemann


    You think same thing about the secular humanist religion, with a much bigger arrogance.

    Hagedorn is right.

    His boldness to openly admit it makes him very qualified.

  81. Le Roi du Nord

    Sorry to disappoint you, but I don’t.  I don’t think any religion is correct, or incorrect, but am rather put off by the arrogance of those who claim to “correct” at the expense of all others.  But keep on deceiving yourself.

  82. Kevin Scheunemann


    That is so sad.

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