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0637, 25 Apr 18

Californians Move Ahead With Secession Movement


Advocates who want California to secede from the rest of the United States were given the green light Monday to begin collecting signatures for their initiative.

California’s Secretary of State Alex Padilla announced the ballot proposal had been cleared.

The latest measure would ask voters in 2020 to decide whether to open up a secession discussion. If passed, a second election would be held a year later asking voters to affirm the decision and become an independent country.

Advocates have until mid-October to gather 365,880 signatures of registered voters to get it on the ballot.

I seem to remember from my history books that we fought a bloody war that decided that states can’t secede. The United States is like the mafia. Once you’re in, you can never get out.

But in this case, the rest of the nation might not fight too hard. True, California is an agricultural and economic power that the nation needs, but even an independent California would need a robust trade with the U.S. And given that a full third of the U.S.’s welfare recipients are in California, we could have the benefits of trading with California without the burden of supporting their welfare state.


0637, 25 April 2018


  1. Jason

    And when they have to jack up prices on Avacados and Wine and Cheese to support their welfare and other bleeding heart liberal feelings, states in the USA will reap the benefits with increased demand for lower priced domestic goods vs expensive Cali exports!


    I wonder if we could convince them to take Seattle with?

  2. Kevin Scheunemann

    I’m torn also on this.    I’d have no problem evicting California from the union, kicking all their SS recipients, and welfare recipients off the dole.

    However, if WI wanted to leave the union during the oppressive Obama administration, liberals would be crying foul.

    It is a bad idea no matter which ideological force is driving it.

    I’m a little shocked leftists are advocating this….California stands to lose a lot of that big government gravey it gets.

    If, by some miracle they do this, I support a 1000% tarriff on anything that comes out of Hollywood.

  3. MjM

    Well, I’m hoping the San Andreas, Hayward, and Calaveras faults will take care of it.

    At least the Northern part.

  4. Kevin Scheunemann

    I would not say it is a drag, but I would call CA unwanted liberal cancer.   Getting rid of CA from the union will still mean the cancerous mass is still hanging out there influencing the other 49 healthy states.

    Even I don’t think succession would solve that issue, even though I foster an overwhelming urge to cut the liberal cancer out.

  5. jjf

    Wow. It’s like you’re suggesting we should send the liberals into their own separate camps or something.

  6. Kevin Scheunemann

    My only problem with liberals herding themselves into a camp that may be called independent California…it will result in having a Venezuela type debacle on out doorstep.    It will be like having barbarians on our doorstep when the liberalism fails badly enough.   They are eating cats, rats, and dogs in liberal Venezuela now just to stay alive….they use to be the capitalist powerhouse of South America.

    I don’t like putting idiotic thought into one central location through the idea of a “camp”.   That is dangerous.   We need to step up capitalist education and knock off the liberal idiocy in the school system.

  7. Le Roi du Nord

    You want to step up “capitalist education” (whatever that is) yet you are all in on picking the winners and losers via Foxconn?   More than a little cognitive dissonance going on there….

  8. Kevin Scheunemann


    Foxconn is not an ideal situation, but the economic reality is: we are competing with other cities, towns, and states for the investment and jobs. Tax credits and tax deference is part of the capitalist system.

    In your ideal world, like Venezuela, there is no prosperity, only suffering and death from anti-capitalist liberal policy idiots that gain actual power.

  9. Le Roi du Nord

    With our unemployment rate in the low single digits we are competing for employees not jobs.  If what out governor tells us is true about the number of jobs he has created then we don’t need to spend billions to chase after a few available workers.

  10. Kevin Scheunemann

    Why would government spend billions chasing after workers?

    That is the job of the company.

    I’d be more worried about Democrats importing illegals and driving wages down for the workers here that can demand a premium in this vibrant job market.

  11. jjf

    If Foxconn was such a sure bet, why didn’t the private capital step up to fund their expansion here?

  12. billphoto

    There is a strategy at work here some apparently are missing.  Competing for employees is a good point and the most competitive area is for skilled workers.  In light of the failure of our liberal education system, alternate sources like the educated masses desiring to flee the toilet called California, will draw many to our State.  Problems abound with how our State will deal with this influx but my opinion is this is a much better problem to address than an influx of societal leeches living off the system.

    Adding the “missing workers,” those people not actively looking for a job, increases the true unemployment rate +1 to +1.5% so there is a large untapped pool available to fill openings but how to employ those on the low end of the education scale is the real problem.  Considering Gov. Walker’s welfare and job training reforms, the expansion of good paying jobs and given rising waters (an increase of good paying skilled jobs) lift all boats, one can assume jobs will be found for the illiterate masses graduated from failed educational systems like MPS.

    Recognizing all this and finding a solution that benefits Wisconsin is genius.  We should thank California and Gov. Walker.

  13. Le Roi du Nord

    “Why would government spend billions chasing after workers?”

    Exactly, but that is what walker is doing via Foxconn.  Where do you stand, k?

  14. jjf

    Now it’s government’s job to “compete for workers” against other states?

  15. Kevin Scheunemann


    Where is Walker spending “billions” to chase workers?

  16. Le Roi du Nord


    Well, there are the billions spent to attract Foxconn, the millions to run ads to attract folks from other states to work at Foxconn for starters. And all in a climate of record low unemployment in WI.   Or at least that is what walker is telling us..

  17. Kevin Scheunemann


    The “Billions”  are tax credits and tax breaks to locate the investment, that is not worker recruitment.

    Try again.

    Where are the billions Walker is spending recruiting workers for Foxconn?


  18. Le Roi du Nord

    The state  and locals are paying millions in infrastructure already. And those billions in tax credits and tax breaks are at the expense of others, like my kids and grand kids.  For every dollar Foxconn doesn’t pay in taxes, somebody else has to make up the difference.

  19. billphoto

    For every dollar Foxconn doesn’t pay in taxes, somebody else has to make up the difference.

    Must be that new math.

  20. Kevin Scheunemann

    Oh Nord,

    I see you cannot back up your claim…that figures.

    Walker is not spending billions to recruit workers for Foxconn.

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