You Stay Classy, New York Democrats

1. Cute how you were able to intersperse the “Stay Classy” post with the “Monkey Pee” post.

   Posted by (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on July 01, 2009 at 2144 hrs




2. Yeah, I liked that too

   Posted by Owen on July 01, 2009 at 2145 hrs




3. In their defense, the Pledge of Allegiance is complete and utter bullshit.  Between i’s socialist history, its violation of the first amendment, its similar hand motion to the Nazi salute, and its general mindlessness and roteness, I don’t get why you guys like it at all.  It’s not patriotic to stand for that Hitlerian garbage IMHO.

   Posted by (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on July 02, 2009 at 0855 hrs




4. WTF?  Really man you’ve spent to much time watching the Matrix or something.  Unplug

   Posted by (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on July 02, 2009 at 1431 hrs




5. What is untrue about my statement?  Or are you just in favor of Socialism, religion, Naziism and roteness?

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6. A hand over the heart is similar to a Nazi salute?  Wow, they have some good drugs in your neck of the woods.

   Posted by (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on July 02, 2009 at 1953 hrs




7. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

   Begins with symbolic loyalty, which should appeal to you, JJ. And if Jesus is alright, then God must be fine.

   The nation is described by its key qualities, one of which I think you’re ironically arguing against (I think - maybe you don’t believe in liberty, just liberty from saying pledges you don’t like).

   So I’m wondering what problem you have with making a statement of support for a country - not just a government, but its people - that’s given you the right to say what you want, wear what you want, and fly your own flag under a moniker that would have you arrested, flogged or worse in many other countries.

   Posted by (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on July 03, 2009 at 1009 hrs




8. elovrich,
   When it was first used, the salute that went with the pledge was IDENTICAL to the Nazi salute.  It was changed to hand over heart later.

   Jane,
   I don’t like symbols of liberty, I like liberty.  I don’t think I really focused on the silly god bit they added either.  That’s a problem, but not the biggest problem.  My problem with pledging support for your country is that it shouldn’t be a matter of saying a silly poem, and it shouldn’t be absolute.  You should support your country when it does good.  You should challenge it to do better when it does bad.  You shouldn’t just blidly follow and say poems in unison.  Plus it’s just creepy.  Not church-creepy, but still pretty creepy.

   Posted by (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on July 09, 2009 at 0905 hrs




9. jijawm;

   Actually, when it was first used, the Bellamy salute (named for the author of the pledge) was done THIS way:

   gives the flag the military salute—right hand lifted, palm downward, to a line with the forehead and close to it. Standing thus, all repeat together, slowly, “I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands; one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all.” At the words, “to my Flag,” the right hand is extended gracefully, palm upward, toward the Flag, and remains in this gesture till the end of the affirmation; whereupon all hands immediately drop to the side.

   
   While it is true it evolved into a palm down gesture over time, the ONLY proper salute officially recognized is the hand-over-heart gesture as was prescribed in the Flag Code, June 22, 1942.

   Posted by (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on July 09, 2009 at 0922 hrs




10. Maybe we should just teach kids (and adults) the American’s Creed instead

    I believe in the United States of America, as a government of the people, by the people, for the people; whose just powers are derived from the consent of the governed; a democracy in a republic; a sovereign Nation of many sovereign States; a perfect union, one and inseparable; established upon those principles of freedom, equality, justice, and humanity for which American patriots sacrificed their lives and fortunes.
    I therefore believe it is my duty to my country to love it, to support its Constitution, to obey its laws, to respect its flag, and to defend it against all enemies.

    It actually had recognition as a national emblem some 34 years before teh pledge did.

    Posted by (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on July 09, 2009 at 0939 hrs




11. Or maybe we should teach them that America IS a government of the people, by the people, for the people and that its powers are derived from the consent of the governed and that it is a democracy in a republic, and established upon those principles of freedom, equality, justice, and humanity for which American patriots sacrificed their lives and fortunes, etc.  And also tell them about its faults.  And then let them figure out what their duty is.  There’s no point to this chanting, brave-new-world crap.  Free thinking is good.  I like my symbols of freedom to come with fewer restrictions.

    Posted by (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on July 09, 2009 at 1330 hrs