Welfare State Crashing
We don’t need a crystal ball to see into the future.
Now the welfare state — cherished by many Europeans as an alternative to what they see as dog-eat-dog American capitalism — is coming under its most serious threat in decades: Europe’s sovereign debt crisis.
Deep budget cuts are under way across Europe. Although the first round is focused mostly on government payrolls — the least politically explosive target — welfare benefits are looking increasingly vulnerable.
“The current welfare state is unaffordable,” said Uri Dadush, director of the Carnegie Endowment’s International Economics Program. “The crisis has made the day of reckoning closer by several years in virtually all the industrial countries.”
Who is John Galt?
Posted by Jay4Liberty on May 23, 2010 at 2300 hrs
I agree Jay, what can be done? The danger of entitlements is plain as day, yet government can never restrain themselves from buying voting blocks with them. It is terrible that we in this country even, are making the choices in elections based on which candidate will give us more stuff, rather than which candidate will do everything in their power to protect and defend the constitution. Down the road when the entitlements become unaffordable the people on the dole riot, picket, and scream and yell.
The same problems are coming to the United States, our debt situation is just as bad or worse than Europe’s. When this country begins to crumble as Europe is now, there will be nothing to do but ask…. Who is John Galt? Because we have gotten so far from the purpose of the institution of government among men, we have so perverted its reason to exist that most of us don’t even know what the purpose of government is.
On the bright side, our government is considering whether or not to ban drop side cribs….. The lefties can and will rip Raynd, but one thing is certain, we are watching as her world comes to life. Merit, honor, hard work, and knowledge are falling by the wayside as we require employers to be “fair”. We have watched as the government consistently oversteps its constitutional boundaries in the interest of equality, and what is “good for us”. Success is regarded as “profiteering” and punitively taxed. Science is whatever the political class feels will positively effect their agenda. Knowledge is taught through polarized glasses, and history is treated as partisan literature. The government class becomes more and more despotic, ruling and creating laws in the name of “our own good”, or “equality”, or “fairness”.... Living wages, lead paint abatement, product prohibition, windfall profits taxes, a “progressive tax code”, union intimidation, gun registration, regulation of minutia….... Oh, who is John Galt?
Watch closely as Europe falls apart. The progressive dream of a “world government” will hopefully die with the EU and the Euro. Maybe, just maybe, we will change course and salvage what was designed to be the last stand of freedom on Earth…. But I wouldn’t hold my breath.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on May 24, 2010 at 0719 hrs
The danger in the predictable collapse of the progressive socialist governments is in what will replace them. Will people blame their own greed and desire to be taken care of by others… or will the propaganda machine lead them to believe that it was the free markets and rich who just won’t pay enough.
Perhaps Europeans will realize that their own individual greed was to blame, and they will adopt some measure of personal responsibility into governance. Perhaps they will topple their governments and adopt a more dictatorial socialism that promises to continue the gravy train… by force if need be. Certainly the Europeans have voted away their own freedoms before. Was that lesson so long ago that they have forgotten the pains and grey lives provided by national socialism and communism? Perhaps…
Certainly our own progressive liberals have learned nothing.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on May 24, 2010 at 0759 hrs
All we have to do to see what happened in Europe is to pay attention to the continuous flow of Industrial jobs out of our State.
The global redistribution of wealth program was accelerated in the ‘80’s and continues today.
Neither the Republicans or Democrats have done anything to stop it. The only thing these political parties are good for is to force the majority to conform to the minority.
The Tea Party group has the right idea because I believe what they want is for the minority to conform to the majority but they need to articulate this better.
I believe the majority of people know we can only have a stable economy if our jobs stay.
It is time we set up a department in government that is dedicated to saving and growing our businesses. Otherwise Europe will look like a picnic compared to whats happening here.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on May 24, 2010 at 0805 hrs
We don’t need a department of government dedicated to saving and growing business. That is precisely the OPPOSITE of what we need…. We need to shrink government, and it’s involvement in our lives. The savings can be used to repay our debts. When our debts are paid, the level of taxation should change to accurately represent the amount of government that we as Americans are willing to tolerate….
1.) A part time legislature.
2.) A President, in whom shall rest the sole power of the executive. (as opposed to the oligarchical committee the Presidency has become)
3.) A judiciary.
4.) A military, which will defend our borders and our homeland. (as opposed to the imperial nation building that has been going on for the last 50 years)
We need to eliminate the dozens of bureaucratic agencies which have slowly and consistently usurped power from the executive and legislative branches. We need to remove whatever social welfare policies we are willing to tolerate from our tax code (eg. nobody gets a refund, nobody gets any tax credits, nobody gets paid more than they pay in). The tax code should be simple enough that ANYONE would be able to figure out what they have to pay…. And EVERYONE should pay something. If you earn one dollar, you should be mailing a dime to the treasury to help support this country.
The time of progressivism is over.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on May 24, 2010 at 0830 hrs
It is time we set up a department in government that is dedicated to saving and growing our businesses.
Looking to government to save or grow anything is foolish at best and dangerous at worst, unless it’s just government you’re looking to save and grow. Reduce, abolish and repeal government meddling and “help” and we’d be much better off.
I suppose that won’t happen though. The majority of americans will kick and scream at the thought of their new god not providing everything for them or funding whatever their favorite pet program is.
Posted by Jay4Liberty on May 24, 2010 at 0900 hrs
“We need to shrink government,”
The truth is that as industry has been leaving government has been growing toward socialism. Probably because of benefit cuts and people worried about not having a job.
Goverment was smaller when we had more industry.
” Looking to government to save or grow anything is foolish”
I think the Mercury Marine deal was sloppy but it kept them here.
Business always tries to save there customers because its cheaper then trying to find new ones.
Our government should do the same before it gets any bigger because we are losing to many jobs and benefits.
This costs us all more in higher taxes.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on May 24, 2010 at 0920 hrs
@djmamayek I agree with you on many of your points. We need to return to a smaller Constitutional government. The way to remove the corporate influence that the left wails about ad nauseum is to remove the power that government officials wield in choosing who will reap the benefits of our upside down tax system.
Clearly some federal government is needed… and I’m thinking we may have grown beyond the ability of part time representatives to administer.
I also have no problem with the US involving itself in foreign affairs. The world moves faster now than it did when the nation began. Even back then, we extended the umbrella of our power beyond our borders to secure our national interests. No nation does well when it ignores it’s neighbors. Our narrow and self centered policies of the 1920s and 30s regarding isolationism and our unwillingness to participate in maintaining world peace brought us a tremendously costly war and created the cold war that lasted another 50 years. Peace across the sea brings us peace at home.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on May 24, 2010 at 0946 hrs
Peace across the sea brings us peace at home.
How’s that hopey peacey overseas and at home thing working for you?
The people in the United States need to ask the tough question; Is maintaining the course of our foreign policy worth the next successful attack here within the US. Is the cost to this nation in lives of it’s citizens here at home worth it? Common sense tells us that our current foreign policy has been, and continues, to make us less safe. Being the nanny to the world is not working.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on May 24, 2010 at 1003 hrs
I think the Mercury Marine deal was sloppy but it kept them here.
For how long?
I feel sorry for the taxpayers that are required to kick in to the corporate welfare system so people can feel good about “keeping them here”. The state obviously wants to keep doing business as usual which will eventually force companies like Mercury Marine out. Oh well, who is John Galt?
We have been trying to solve all sorts of issues using government for decades. It is a failure. Creating new government programs and departments to fail on top of the other failures will only compound the problem. Time to eliminate, abolish and repeal.
Posted by Jay4Liberty on May 24, 2010 at 1011 hrs
No nation does well when it ignores it’s neighbors
That depends on what you mean by ignore?
When does involvement in someone else’s self determination and decision making become nannyism and all those other goodies that impose someone’s self interest in a position superior to an other’s?
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on May 24, 2010 at 1020 hrs
How’s that hopey peacey overseas and at home thing working for you?
Far better than when we ignored it and waited for it to come to us. You can either fight your enemies in their own yard when they are small, or wait for them to come to your yard when they are big. Isolationism has been proven, time and time again, to be a road to national failure. If you support that failed policy of the past, then your position amuses me even more.
Being a nanny (as our Barack the Bumbler has chosen to be) also would result in failure… and it is. When your enemies know that you can, and will, come for them where they live, they are less likely to be a problem. If they choose to cause you trouble… then you eliminate them. When we act strongly, we succeed. When we act weakly, we fail. Just ask Hitler, Tojo, Hussein, and the Politburo of the Soviet Union about that.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on May 24, 2010 at 1022 hrs
Jay -
“For how long?”
It would be in the process of leaving right now without it, however, there was a contract.
The simple fact is that the smaller the private sector gets the larger the government gets in both employees and spending.
The only way to reverse that is to grow the private sector and the only entity with the resources to do that is the government.
You can belly ache all you want about smaller government but until you grow the private sector its not going to change. Europe may be a good example of what happens when it goes to far.
We should start to save and grow our businesses now or prepare for the misery to come.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on May 24, 2010 at 1026 hrs
Isolationism has been proven, time and time again, to be a road to national failure.
Really, how about providing some actual examples of “proven, time and time again” you know some actual facts.
If you support that failed policy of the past, then your position amuses me even more.
The US has been an isolationist in the past? When? Historically maybe, kinda sorta, internationally for a time before and between the World Wars and that is stretching the point if you want to forget about the expansion that has occurred since the geography of the original 13 colonies.
I am way more than amused, I am laughing:):):)
Let’s hear it?
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on May 24, 2010 at 1100 hrs
The only way to reverse that is to grow the private sector and the only entity with the resources to do that is the government.
Wrong.
Reduce government not just in it’s spending but in areas where it serves as an obstacle to growth. Let the people who actually do the creating, saving and growing use their own money to do so rather than filtering it through some bloated ineffective government bureaucracy.
The only reason your government has “the resources” is because it loots those very resources to begin with. Then the politicians dole out the favors to the politically connected so they have something to put on those campaign brochures during popularity contest time. How many FDL politicians try to take credit for “saving” Mercury Marine? How many people running for statewide popularity contests will utter something like “Good government policy saved Mercury Marine”? It’s all crap. Government created the problem now it wants the credit.
The private sector will do much better without you government people. Advocating government grow or save the private sector only ensures you will have more government controlling the private sector. The two cannot coexist but it will be fun watching you government people try. If we just put the right people in charge all would fine right? I have hope this will change!
Government….because you simply can’t do it by yourself!
Posted by Jay4Liberty on May 24, 2010 at 1232 hrs
Far better than when we ignored it and waited for it to come to us.
Now you’re the one being very amusing.
Please explain what the United States foreign policy has done to make us safer with all that peace at home stuff you talk about. Obama is doing everything that Bush did, and then some. The Presidents have changed, but the policies haven’t.
Far better than when we ignored it and waited for it to come to us. You can either fight your enemies in their own yard when they are small, or wait for them to come to your yard when they are big.
Even more amusing.
Guess what, it has already come to us, and it will continue to come to us. NOTHING, I repeat, NOTHING, we have been doing, and are currently doing, will stop them from continuing to come to us. Many more Americans will die for a failed foreign policy.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on May 24, 2010 at 1258 hrs
When your enemies know that you can, and will, come for them where they live, they are less likely to be a problem.
And they are coming for us.
How many Americans should die? And for what?? Peace??? Wake up SOL. There has never been peace in the world.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on May 24, 2010 at 1308 hrs
“Reduce government not just in it’s spending but in areas where it serves as an obstacle to growth.”
It appears that you’re a young person trying to understand but this obviously would be part of what a department would do.
The industrial economy was encouraged by our government but discouraged when we started voting for politicians that would sell their soul to the devil.
You apparently never had the responsibility to maintain or grow a market, but anyone that has knows the government does not have the expertise to do it.
PS Always been private sector, never been a public employee.
A successfully economy is highly depended on successful programs. It is obvious that we do not have successful programs when so many companies have exited the State.
This department would bring together all the elements needed to develop successfully programs. I cannot think of any business that would not love to have this type of resource to help them succeed.
This is a method that works in corporation around the world to secure there markets. It’s time that our State secures its economy.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on May 24, 2010 at 1315 hrs
Europe may be a good example of what happens when it goes to far.
May be a good example? Pray tell, what would ACTUALLY be a good example? How can you, with a straight face say that we have not gone too far, but Europe has? How far behind Europe do you think we are? Last time I checked we are 13 Trillion in the hole, and counting, how much farther to the left can we go?
Again, the era of progressivism is coming to an end. I will kick back, pick some tomatoes, onions and basil from my garden, make pizza, and watch the whole thing go the way of the dodo.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on May 24, 2010 at 1319 hrs
A successfully economy is highly depended on successful programs. It is obvious that we do not have successful programs when so many companies have exited the State.
So, there has never been a successful economy in the absence of government programs? Interesting.
Now, please go ahead and tell me, what you, Mr. Mouch, propose to keep the American private sector in business…......
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on May 24, 2010 at 1322 hrs
The truth is that as industry has been leaving government has been growing toward socialism. Probably because of benefit cuts and people worried about not having a job.
Goverment was smaller when we had more industry.
Based on this statement, it logically follows that if we shrink government industry will grow…. Yet you argue against your own logic? Why?
You wish to grow government in order to expand something that thrives under small government? That sounds impossible to me, but hey, I never said I lived in a progressive wonderland, did I.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on May 24, 2010 at 1329 hrs
Obama is doing everything that Bush did, and then some.
Laughable. If you want to begin an argument with such a foolish position, I’m afraid there’s no room for discussion. Our foreign policy has changed 180 degrees in the last year. The situation in Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Korea, China, and Eastern Europe/Russia are all decaying… some quite dramatically. The kinder gentler touch has resulted in America losing any position of strength that it had. Our enemies treat us now with the taste of power on their lips.
If you think that xenophobic non-interaction with the outside world will serve us well, then you have but to look back at other nations that have tried it. Some were invaded and conquered. Some rotted from within. When the US tried it, we wound up going into a war that we could have prevented just a few short years earlier.
Guess what, it has already come to us, and it will continue to come to us.
Seems like trouble arrived after we ignored it for years. After 9-11, we took a strong stance and there was not another attack on our soil for years. In just the last year we have seen what happens when we play nice. Feel free to cling to your xenophobic beliefs. Pull the shades. Lock the doors. Maybe the bad man will go away. Maybe the Germans, or the French will come to the rescue. Not really something I can stomach though. If that is what conservatism means to you, then I suspect you don’t go to the same meetings I do.
There has never been peace in the world.
Exactly why we should remain strong and vigilant.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on May 24, 2010 at 1336 hrs
A successfully economy is highly depended on successful programs.
As long as you have government choosing the winners and losers, it will be a drag on growth. As long as bureaucrats have the power to make you succeed or fail, there will be corruption and petty bureaucrats making life difficult for everyone.
Government needs to step aside and let the jobs grow.
May be a good example? Pray tell, what would ACTUALLY be a good example? How can you, with a straight face say that we have not gone too far, but Europe has?
Did I say that? Hm, I read back and couldn’t find it. If you are going to make up my commentary for me, then you’ll have to answer your own questions about it.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on May 24, 2010 at 1350 hrs
djmamayek said - “Based on this statement, it logically follows that if we shrink government industry will grow…. Yet you argue against your own logic? Why?”
but left out my statement prior to it -
(You can belly ache all you want about smaller government but until you grow the private sector its not going to change.)
My impression is that you are a dishonest person that will say anything to discredit someone that you disagree with.
Obviously, you are still wet behind the ears and don’t know what a conservative is.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on May 24, 2010 at 1422 hrs
“Government needs to step aside and let the jobs grow.”
Exactly, but it’s not magic and does not happen by itself. We need to make it happen with the right programs.Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on May 24, 2010 at 1430 hrs
24.djmamayek asked -
“So, there has never been a successful economy in the absence of government programs?”
It’s always been true. Goverment programs provide the incentive to come or go via taxes, regulations and other programs and incentives.
The problem is that our goverment no longer knows what they’re doing to create the right enviroment for business. I think that to many lawyers have been voted into office.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on May 24, 2010 at 1502 hrs
“The only way to reverse that is to grow the private sector and the only entity with the resources to do that is the government.”
My god, that is among the dumbest things ever uttered anywhere. Government has NO resources of it’s own. The “resoureces” that government brings to bear were ours to begin with, and are portioned back in teaspoons after they filter it through unnecessary and corrupt layers. In the case of mercury marine, for example….the resources that were brought to bear would have been FAR better off if they had stayed with Mercury Marine in the fist place.
Govenment growth is a big component of the shrinking private sector and not the answer to it.
“Government, if you think the problems we cause are bad, just wait until you see our solutions…”
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on May 24, 2010 at 1627 hrs
It appears that you’re a young person trying to understand but this obviously would be part of what a department would do.
For crying out loud a government department only increases in expense and size, it NEVER reduces anything. Why is that so hard for brainwashed government zombies to understand? Is it not possible to do anything without government? Apparently older people believe it’s not. Government through it’s mismanagement and gross negligence created the mess, looking to create even more government to fix the problem is stupidity boarding on lunacy.
Go ahead though. Create your little departments to oversee this and that. It too will fail and will have the opposite effect. Then the rest of us will be stuck with the bill since government doesn’t have money of it’s own, only that which it confiscates.
Perhaps many of you government people should read something other than the pro-government propaganda shoveled at you in publik skool and through the MSM. There’s an entire world out there that doesn’t need nor want government “help” and it does quite fine until you government people move in to manage and regulate things.
Posted by Jay4Liberty on May 24, 2010 at 1826 hrs
It’s always been true. Goverment programs provide the incentive to come or go via taxes, regulations and other programs and incentives
No it hasn’t.
There weren’t the taxes, regulations, programs and other bloated ineffective government boondoggles for most of the history of this country.
However I can see it’s pointless to question your government god.
Posted by Jay4Liberty on May 24, 2010 at 1829 hrs
Now, please go ahead and tell me, what you, Mr. Mouch, propose to keep the American private sector in business…......
Ohhhh good one. I didn’t think of that. Perhaps he’d introduce directive 10-289. More magic words scribbled on pieces of paper will surely save us!
Posted by Jay4Liberty on May 24, 2010 at 1907 hrs
Obviously, you are still wet behind the ears and don’t know what a conservative is.
Well it’s definitely not someone who argues for more government in order to reduce government.
If you think anything you’ve said is “conservative”......wow.
If there are any other Tea Party people who think that way then the movement is doomed. Oh well, at least it’s a new republican campaign tool!
Posted by Jay4Liberty on May 24, 2010 at 1912 hrs
My impression is that you are a dishonest person that will say anything to discredit someone that you disagree with.
Obviously, you are still wet behind the ears and don’t know what a conservative is.
What did I say that was dishonest? Please, go ahead.
You have been arguing against yourself throughout this thread, it is not my fault you cannot see the fatal flaw in your own logic.
As far as wet behind the ears, and not a “real conservative”.... I am young, but you are confusing conservatives with republicans…. I am a conservative (although much more libertarian), NOT A REPUBLICAN. Everything you have said here is progressive republican rehash, you sound like Tommy Thompson, Mark Neumann, GWB or Ronald Reagan, espousing the value of small government while at the same time suggesting we expand it.
It’s always been true. Goverment programs provide the incentive to come or go via taxes, regulations and other programs and incentives.
Wrong again. Profit provides the incentive for business to flourish. I wouldn’t expect a progressive statist to understand capitalism though….
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on May 24, 2010 at 2026 hrs
Did I say that? Hm, I read back and couldn’t find it. If you are going to make up my commentary for me, then you’ll have to answer your own questions about it
My response was to a direct quote, in my post, from something that OFR said earlier. I was in NO way addressing you. Check post #13 for my reference.
Hope that clears things up.Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on May 24, 2010 at 2030 hrs
I am very amused by who claim they are republicans. No wonder people are leaving the party in disgust.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on May 25, 2010 at 0741 hrs
If that is what conservatism means to you, then I suspect you don’t go to the same meetings I do.
Meetings? What happened to the tabla rasa everyman that perceives the true path from his own observations and reflection?
I started with that one because it was one of the most the funniest.
Our foreign policy has changed 180 degrees in the last year. The situation in Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Korea, China, and Eastern Europe/Russia are all decaying… some quite dramatically.
Want to explain that? I am particularly interested in how/where China fits into that assertion and context.
Our enemies treat us now with the taste of power on their lips.
I apologize for my comment about the meetings. I didn’t realize they were for staff writers at the Onion.
Does it taste like chicken?
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on May 25, 2010 at 0812 hrs
I am very amused by who claim they are republicans. No wonder people are leaving the party in disgust.
I was never in the “party”, never will be. The reality is that young conservatives like me don’t join, precisely because of people with beliefs like yours. It makes my skin crawl to be lumped in with “Republicans” like you or GWB.
Let me sum up your course of logic through this thread:
When government is small business flourishes.
Right now government is big, and business is faltering.
Therefore, we need to increase the size of government to grow business.
That may be a solvable logic puzzle in your world, but in the real world it makes NO sense whatsoever.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on May 25, 2010 at 1530 hrs
dimamayek -
Please do not associate yourself with the tea party, your twisted mind with zero logic is meant to be a democrat. Perhaps you should apply to be a joker in their court.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on May 25, 2010 at 1636 hrs
Dimamayek,
Old people like me have never joined the republican party either, for the same reason. I don’t want to belong to a party that lets GWB or even worse McCain in it. That being said, people should come with warning lights. Ofr thinks he is a conservative, yet is on here arguing for more government. You’ve shown incredible patience and I like how you summed up his argument. Yet we hear that same argument all of the time. I’m all for a big tent conservative party. (meaning we can all disagree on the social items) Libertarians and social conservatives can certainly agree on small government….but can we please kick ofr our of the tent.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on May 25, 2010 at 1723 hrs
Curt and your silly friends -
Let’s see, your proposal is let’s do nothing, complain about big government and attack anyone that offers a solution that you cannot argue with.
Be honest, are you even out of grade school? Your writing skills are at about the seventh or eighth grade level but that may be stretching the maturity level coming through from you.
I usually don’t get personal but you all seem to have some inmaturity issues that don’t come through from adults.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on May 25, 2010 at 1736 hrs
We have been trolled! LOL
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Posted by Jay4Liberty on May 25, 2010 at 1831 hrs
Jay,
The rabbit with the pancake would make more sense than ofr. And yes oft, I probably only have an 8th grade education…since I’m an MPS grad
But I’m not the one with the odd “conservative” argument that runs…..
The private sector is shriking because government is growing, so lets ad some more government programs, and somehow that will grow the private sector. Even my MPS teachers would be banging their heads on their desks.
I’m not sure what age has to do with it. I’ve never had the opportunity like you to grow an entire “market” like you have
(I wish I was all powerful like you) But I do have over 25 years experience at various levels in corporate America. Like any actual conservative, I’d certainly argue against adding yet another agency to our bloated government. I’m fairly libertarian, so I’d argue that 80 percent of our current government is unnecessary and should be dismantled, nort grown. It isn’t that people on this blog, myself included don’t have solutions, I just don’t have any solutions that involve adding government. Nor would any conservative.
I’m not all that proud of my writing skills, and they can probably be justifyably made fun of. (thank god my math skills are better, or I wouldn’t be able to put food on the table), but after rereading your posts, I’m not sure you should be casting the first stone. I’m certainly no Owen, or A Son of Liberty (man he writes well), but after rereading your meandering, gramatically, and spelling challenged assault on logic, my MPS education is looking pretty good.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on May 26, 2010 at 0124 hrs
I usually don’t get personal but you all seem to have some inmaturity issues that don’t come through from adults.
I have learned, in the course of my short life, that the first one to “get personal” is the one who is insecure in his argument. Even if I were in 8th grade, I would be happy with the way I have argued my points….
Keep right on trollin’ though buddy. That is truly a pastime of adults who have a life, family, job, or anything important going on.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on May 26, 2010 at 0847 hrs
Curt, dimamayek, Jay,
I want to thank you for making me aware that you should not be taken seriously.
There was an old saying that children should be seen and not heard and you are very good examples of why.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on May 26, 2010 at 1044 hrs
You’re very welcome. Hopefully when Obama’s death panels kick in you’ll be first in line.
Posted by Jay4Liberty on May 26, 2010 at 1809 hrs
Jay,
That was WAY over the line. As dimamayek and I were pointing out, OFR has no clue what a conservative is, and it truly irks me, to hear him/her refer to him/herself as one, when he wants to implement new departments to oversee the other government departments that got us into this mess. We’ve heard that song so many times, but usually from our admittedly liberal friends. Somehow OFR thinks the tea partiers are clamering for yet more government.
However, while I don’t understand his logic, I don’t wish him ill in any way. I hope he lives happily to a ripe old age. Although since he thinks this almost 50 year old is a youngster, perhaps he is there already.
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