Wednesday, March 19, 2008

Warning: Furious and Vulgar Post Ahead

I’m sorry, but I’ve been looking at this story all day and this picture courtesy of GOP3.com

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All I keep thinking is… “you motherfuckers.” I have friends at war right now.  I have family who fought and died for this country.  I am forever grateful for the freedoms that I have because of the blood that they spilt… for the futures that they sacrificed… and some group of low-life punks choose to shit all over that legacy with spray paint and broken glass… I’m beyond disgust.  I’m infuriated. 

Such disrespect for our nation and its soldiers should be spit upon.  I call on those like Bill Chirstofferson, who served our country, to condemn such contemptible insults to our troops.  I call on those like Bill Lueders, who basks in the first amendment, to stick up for those who defend it.  You can hate the war, but actions like this are a direct assault on our brothers and sisters in arms.  To accept it is contemptible. 

Posted by Owen at 2034 hrs
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  1. Thank You.  My thoughts EXACTLY!

    Ungrateful punks.

    Posted by on March 19, 2008 at 2202 hrs


  2. Bullshit Owen,

    We had an exchange about this when I first started posting here.

    Tonight on McNeil Leherer they posted 12 more dead of our bravest, most in their 20’s and some in their 30’s. As usual I cried for the loss.

    Why are we wasting our finest on Iraq?

    Spare me the newest spin on the Domino effect. It is complete crap. Just like it was in Vietnam and the Cold War.

    If the Iraqis’ value their freedom so much then let them come up to bat.

    We have spent this country into oblivion for these camel jockeys, and as of today have little to show for it.

    I don’t want to finance another South Korea, maybe you do?

    Getting Hussein out of office was a simple Mafia hit. Just like his scheme to whack Bush 41.

    Let the Iraqi’s spill their own blood if they must.

    The Irish did it in Northern Ireland for centuries.

    I spit on your assumption that we should putting up our people’s lives and our tax dollars (and debt) for what will amount to zip.

    If you and the rest of the hawks that comment here want to put your asses on the line then do it.

    And post from the front line, instead of West Bend.

    Posted by on March 19, 2008 at 2214 hrs


  3. pjr,

    Your comments are disgusting. 

    Fine.  You oppose the war.  I get it. 

    Why attack those in uniform?  Why attack an office that recruits those who WANT to serve their country?  What purpose does that serve to oppose the war? 

    Have your parades.  Vote in elections. Write letters to the editor.  Post comments on blogs.  But don’t pretend that shitting on our soldiers is an act of patriotism.  It’s disgusting.  And you should be ashamed of yourself for condoning it.

    Posted by Owen on March 19, 2008 at 2220 hrs


  4. I don’t want to finance another South Korea, maybe you do?

    My mother-in-law and her entire family are happy that we did.  If not for the 8th Army her entire family would have been executed by the North Koreans.  Later she and her sisters emigrated to the US and became citizens.

    I think that whole Korean thing has worked out pretty well.

    Posted by bdunbar on March 19, 2008 at 2229 hrs


  5. Where in my comment did I condone or support this?

    What is disgusting to you ? That I mourn the loss of fine young men who could have...?

    I have been against this war from my first post here because..

    ...it had nothing to do with the security of this country.

    ...it was ill conceived and executed.

    ...I do not give a shit about how the Iraqi’s,or any other country for that matter, decides to govern or slaughter itself.

    I care about America and Americans.

    So Owen, you are of a deployable age, why don’t you sign up?

    Posted by on March 19, 2008 at 2243 hrs


  6. PJR,

    Where can I go to see your posts demanding we pull out of eyrope? That the deaths of 100,000 plus was not worth it because Germany did not bomb us?

    Where can I see your posts about why Bosnia and Kosovo and Somalia and Panama and Grenada and Haiti and the rest that wre ill conceived?

    Where exactly do you utter a single syllable that about all the crap in this world that we in uniform tried to shield you from?

    Screw you you little johnny come lately. You and your bunch of limp wristed liberal pissants can continue to attack our stations in the dead of night. You make a mark on this earth just slightly less important than the mark in the seat of year old underwear.

    Posted by David on March 19, 2008 at 2300 hrs


  7. David,

    you obviously are shooting from the hip so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt.

    I enlisted in June, 1968 one week after graduating from high school.

    I served this country for a little more than a decade.

    My brother served in three of the six places you listed in paragraph two of your rant.

    Go fuck yourself.

    Posted by on March 19, 2008 at 2315 hrs


  8. Wow that got heated fast…

    My thoughts…

    Oppose the war by not vandalizing recruiting stations.  Vote, write, protest peacefully, picket, but don’t hassle our troops, or recruiters.

    Peace activists always pull the line “I support the troops, so bring them back.” Hmmm...sometimes I wonder how that fits into the stuff like in Berkeley, or the other violence against the Army, Marines, etc. that has happened in Milwaukee and elsewhere.

    I saw a man who was threatened with his life because he was writing for a “right-wing conspiracy magazine” and requesting comments from some “peace” activists.  I saw the video.  A man came up to him and said, ad libbing here, that if he didn’t get out of there now, the peace activists would probably kill him for promoting the Bush administration.  Haha...that was probably just the quote he was looking for.  Also, remember: “PEACE” activists. 

    Not saying all are like that by any means, but this is not the first time nor the second, and probably not even the 30th time I’ve heard of similar encounters.

    Finally, pjr, thank you for your service, and that of your brother’s.  This country including myself are indebted to you.  And to all who serve.

    Posted by Brandon on March 20, 2008 at 0053 hrs


  9. pjr,

    way to show what soldiers were made of in the 60, when it time to stand up for something, they scream fuck you and run away.

    Soldier the FUCK up.

    I could go on a rant here for the next 5000 words, but that would be a waste of my time.  You wont listen.

    Posted by on March 20, 2008 at 0359 hrs


  10. Why are we wasting our finest on Iraq?

    It is called freedom.

    Do you remember the movie “A Few Good Men”??  At the end after the two soldiers were convicted, the white soldier asks the black soldier why they were convicted,

    Downey: What did we do wrong? We did nothing wrong.

    Dawson: Yeah, we did. We were supposed to fight for the people who couldn’t fight for themselves. We were supposed to fight for Willie.

    PJR maybe you have forgotten that in your 40 years of dope smoking, hallucinatory experimenting, stuck in the 60’s liberalism life since you became an adult.

    Posted by Clint on March 20, 2008 at 0813 hrs


  11. I’ll gladly take the time in jail to smack the snot out of any one of those bastards

    IIRC, a properly-executed blanket party makes ID of the perps impossible.

    Posted by dad29 on March 20, 2008 at 0832 hrs


  12. Owen,

    Why is language like that allowed here?

    And PJR is a classless punk and should be banned.

    Posted by on March 20, 2008 at 0832 hrs


  13. I have three kids that have been involved in the conflict in Afghanistan and iraq.  David was in the Sunni triangle with the recon Marines and in Fallujah.  Brett was 82nd Airborne Rangers in Afghanistan and Iraq both for year.  Kevin was firing missles at Osama bin Laden from the decks of the USS Cowpens.
    I firmly believe that our actions kept us from getting into a much bigger war, stabilized the world economy till we get off of our need for oil and saved millions of lives.
    The radical Muslims were close to taking over large areas of Pakistan, they had Afghanistan, the Wahhabis in Saudi Arabia were pushing to revolt, Iraq was harboring and fomenting terrorists and Iran is on the edge of getting a nuclear bomb.  What a cauldron of potential trouble.
    If we would have done the same thing when Hitler marched into the Rhineland we could have stood off WWII.
    Reagan defeated the Russians with power, Bush has defeated the radical Muslims with the same.

    Posted by on March 20, 2008 at 0846 hrs


  14. Why are we wasting our finest on Iraq?
    WASTED?!?!
    That is beyond disgusting. No soldier’s death has ever been wasted.
    Sad? - yes.
    heartbreaking? - definately
    wasted? - never.

    Where in my comment did I condone or support this?
    You also have not condemned it either.

    Posted by on March 20, 2008 at 0907 hrs


  15. dean,

    You are right. Wasted was a poor choice of words.

    Clint,

    I am not a compassionate conservative, in that I believe in two principle ideas. #1 If you made your bed lie in it. #2 Pull your self up by the bootstraps.

    Sound familiar?

    #1 is exactly what I about the Iraqi’s putting up with Hussein.

    #2 is exactly what I think the Iraqi’s should be doing right now.

    Posted by on March 20, 2008 at 0933 hrs


  16. Your anger is not directed in the right place.

    You should be angry that the policy of lies from the Bush White House led to the murder of nearly 4,000 soldiers.  A NEEDLESS WAR is what you should be angry about.  When you stand up and promote the Bush policy then it is you who smears the soldiers that fight.

    And that makes me angry.

    Posted by Gregory on March 20, 2008 at 0944 hrs


  17. Iraqi’s putting up with Hussein.

    Yeah all those people in the mass graves were the complacent ones....

    Posted by Clint on March 20, 2008 at 0948 hrs


  18. Owen,

    Not surprising, but you are not getting a lot of cooperation on the left of the cheddarsphere…

    http://punditnation.blogspot.com/2008/03/army-recruitin g-office-was-vandalized.html

    Yet, to all who served, even those who oppose those who are now fighting the terrorists over there so there is an actual front on the war on terrorism, thank you for your service.

    You have our word we won’t vandalize your homes or businesses. If only those who support this military action could receive the same assurances about the military offices.

    Posted by Fraley on March 20, 2008 at 1002 hrs


  19. pjr, the thing that suprises me most about your post is how it completely misses the point.

    Your disdain for this war (and probably every war) is so irrelevant to the conversation.

    This post is about a bunch of punks vandalizing.  And choosing to do so in the manner they do.

    Your post comes of defending them?  Is that how you feel?  I think it is. I’m curious if you are afraid to say it.

    Does anything justify this kind of punk-ass behavior?

    I don’t believe so.

    Just my 2 cents:

    I love to observe things… and if there is one thing that never fails to be clearly evident as I watch people who engage in this kind of vandalism its 2 things: (and I’m not talking about people who are against the war here, I’m talking about people who engage in this kind of juvenille senseless vandalism)

    First they are hypocrites of the worst kind, they are rarely deeply informed on an issue, they are just lost souls filled with rage and they think they have found an outlet to express that rage that justifies it. 

    Their actions are a contradiction in and of themselves.  They would suggest that war is offensive and that we are breaking some moral code while they engage in behavior and disrespect that is offensive.

    Lets be real here… The kind of people who spray paint and vandalize an army recuitment office, or BOMB an army recruitment office (as in times square) they have no moral ground to call war offensive!

    They are as I said… Lost souls full of rage who found something to be outraged about.  Thats how they cope with their rage.  They look for justification for it, and attach their rage to a cause where they can feel their rage is justified.  But the reality is, it has nothing to do with being against war.  This is about misguided punks full of rage who rather than deal with their own issues would put them off on other people.

    But you’re going to come on here and justify what they did?

    Because thats EXACTLY what you did.

    Posted by on March 20, 2008 at 1004 hrs


  20. Do you remember the movie “A Few Good Men”??  At the end after the two soldiers were convicted, the white soldier asks the black soldier why they were convicted,

    Downey: What did we do wrong? We did nothing wrong.

    Dawson: Yeah, we did. We were supposed to fight for the people who couldn’t fight for themselves. We were supposed to fight for Willie.

    Great movie. The ending brings tears to the eyes.

    But I’m sorry Clint. We did a code red leading to the deaths of tens of thousands of Iraqis and the displacement of 20% of the population.

    And you all go ballistic over some graffiti, regrettable though it is. Again you folks display a wonderful lack of perspective and scale. Especially charming is that psycho-gal Michelle Malkin gave us a shout-out.

    That was thanks to our leaders, such as Dick Cheney who could give a damn about what the American people think, these things have been done in your name.

    Posted by on March 20, 2008 at 1013 hrs


  21. Damn - someone in the office just reminded me that all those mass graves were filled not the bodies of Iraqis that opposed Saddam - they were really Dick Cheney’s hunting buddies that Halliburton buried there after they were smuggled into Iraq by Exxon Mobile.  And it was Karl Rove who was the project manager…

    Posted by Clint on March 20, 2008 at 1014 hrs


  22. Oh, I see Keith. The recruiting station was vandalized and it’s Bush/Cheney’s fault?

    Posted by Fraley on March 20, 2008 at 1030 hrs


  23. Hey Fraley - at least he didn’t blame Scott Walker for this…

    Posted by Clint on March 20, 2008 at 1031 hrs


  24. Nobody likes war. You don’t like the war? Fine. There are many ways to protest, but degrading the people who do the very hard and brave job of defending that very right to protest are not the ones that deserve your anger.

    Nobody likes war, but unfortunately, it is sometimes necessary. Bush and his advisors made that decision based on the information they had at the time. Was it the right decision? History will tell. I tend to think that it was. Should we have gone after Saddam when we did? I think we should have focused more on Bin Laden first. But what would have been the response if we had waited and Saddam gassed or nuked a few hundred thousand people (and he had done it before - the man was a RUTHLESS butcher.)

    So - hate the war - fine. I don’t like war either. But find the right place to direct your protests. The armed forces don’t decide to go to war - the president does.

    Posted by on March 20, 2008 at 1043 hrs


  25. Yeah but going in and kicking off the collapse of a government which leads to thousands of more deaths is Bush’s responsibility, not Hussein’s.

    As far as the US going to war based on what we know is total BS. Cheney wanted this thing and no matter what we knew or didn’t know, the invasion and the waste of our money was going to happen regardless. For all we knew, Cheney knew the weapons didn’t exist. At the least we should be demanding Bush and Cheney step down for this rank incompetence and corruption and for making us less safe.

    What Hussein did 12 years before we went in did not justify the thousands of deaths Bush caused after we went in.

    Posted by on March 20, 2008 at 1122 hrs


  26. Thanks for proving my point Keith - If the coalition of 1990 had the balls to do what Bush is doing today, Bush wouldn’t have had to do it today.

    Posted by Clint on March 20, 2008 at 1130 hrs


  27. Um, Rebecca?  Owen’s post contains the word “motherfucker.” Where is your request for HIS ban? 
    On the subject:  grafitti is stupid.  And classless.  End of story.  But do the words here warrant such a response?  “5 years too many” and “war is offensive” is hardly an “attack” on the soldiers.  Calling soldiers “babykillers” or “mercenaries” would be an attack on the soldiers, but I see this as a protest on the war itself.  And yes, there are many, many reasons to resent and resist this war. 

    But graffiti?  Classless and juvenile.

    Posted by on March 20, 2008 at 1138 hrs


  28. If Schmitz and these guys were in the US in the 1700s they would have been the loyalists opposing Washington.  In the civil war they would have been the “Copperheads”, before WWII the “America Firsters” and on.
    Tthis country was founded by people wanting to get away from the Napoleonic wars and endless wars in Europe.  That worked for awhile but in the end we cannot retreat in back of the oceans anymore.
    Churchill said it best: “the innate nature of humans is to wage war, history shows that, excpet for short periods of peace”.  You retreat gou die. 
    Reagan showed the way to the “peaceful coexistence gand and the “detenters’ headed up by Kissinger and others.  You only survive by protecting yourself.
    If we would have done that with Hitler we could have avoided WWII.  Keep the wars small.  There are lots of people out there that want power, money and the control over men’s minds.

    Posted by on March 20, 2008 at 1147 hrs


  29. If the coalition of 1990 had the balls to do what Bush is doing today, Bush wouldn’t have had to do it today.

    If it could have been done in 1991, that is.  I am not sure that is the case.

    The Coalition’s purpose was to eject Iraq from Kuwait - that’s the condition that many of the members signed on for.  A coalition with broader aims might not have enjoyed the support that it did.  Absent that support the job would have been much harder.

    The force that took down Iraq in 2003 was not the force that we had in 1991.  There was more than just a decade in time, there were advances in technology, in war fighting that made the 2003 force much more effective than the one we fielded in 1991.

    Posted by bdunbar on March 20, 2008 at 1235 hrs


  30. yes bd I believe that you are correct in stating your last paragraph.  I believe the march to Baghdad would have been more difficult in ‘91, but I believe that the stabilization would have been less deadly in ‘91.

    Posted by Clint on March 20, 2008 at 1239 hrs


  31. Keith - how do you know what Cheney wants or doesn’t want? Have you spoken to him recently? And the last time I looked - the vice president doesn’t decide if we go to war.

    Also - the number of people dying in Iraq (military and civilians) is a lot less than it was under Saddam’s watch. Have you bothered to read the accounts of what Saddam and his cronies (who frankly were worse than he was) were doing over there? Saddam killed millions of people. People tend to forget what a ruthless butcher he was, and his sons did even worse things.

    Posted by on March 20, 2008 at 1308 hrs


  32. Let’s not forget about what they did to the soccer team

    Controlled by Hussein’s sadistic elder son, Odai, the squad lived in constant fear of losing a match because failure on the field could result in public humiliation, imprisonment, punishment and even torture.

    After losing an important match, he said, the entire team was once taken directly from the soccer stadium to jail in a bus with blacked-out windows. They were crammed into a single cell and beaten with sticks.

    Sometimes players were forced to play “matches” in which they would kick concrete balls around the prison yard in 130-degree heat.

    There have also been reports of severe beatings and torture. Saad Keis Naoman, a former player, was whipped until his back was bloody and then jailed,

    Another player, Sharar Haddar, has said that Odai dragged him and his teammates over concrete, pulling skin off their backs, then yanked them through a pit so that sand stuck to their raw skin and made them jump in a vat of sewage.

    OVER SOCCER....SOCCER

    If that is what they did to soccer players, imagine what they did to anyone who tried standing up for freedom....

    Posted by Clint on March 20, 2008 at 1315 hrs


  33. To those liberals who are posting, can you at least agree that vandalism is wrong?  I mean, if you’re my neighbor and I don’t like your Obama or Clinton sign in the yard, that doesn’t entitle me to express my opinions of you by spray painting them on the front of your house, does it?

    I get that many of you think there are far greater injustices occurring in Iraq.  I’m not even going to try and persuade you otherwise.  It’s not even relevant.  For some of you, you seem to want to overlook the little sin (vandalism) because you believe the tenant is a perpetrator of a greater sin (war).

    There are plenty of ways to exercise First Amendment rights that don’t involve the willful destruction of property.  The overwhelming majority of people who oppose the war have figured out how to use them.  And that’s great.  But when those of you who are responsible look the other way on stuff like this, it makes people question your judgment.

    Posted by Recess Supervisor on March 20, 2008 at 1425 hrs


  34. RS, yes I will condemn vandalism.  It is destructive, juvenile, and just plain wrong.  Even if I agree with the sentiment expressed, it is still wrong. 

    But to get one’s panties in a wad because painting “war is offensive” on a recruiting building is somehow the equivalent of pooping on a soldier seems silly to me. 

    If the words had been more vicious, then yes, I can see how this would be “an attack on the troops.” Babykillers.  Mercenaries.  Blood-thirsty oil whores.  That sort of thing that is, sadly, not unheard of in anti-war protests.  THOSE are attacks on the troops. 

    “Expect resistance”?  “5 years too many”?  Not so much.

    Posted by on March 20, 2008 at 1438 hrs


  35. I’d concur with that.  I don’t think there’s anything particularly offensive or hate-filled about the message.  I think the manner of delivery is offensive.

    Posted by Recess Supervisor on March 20, 2008 at 1714 hrs


  36. And I agree with that RC. We on the left condemn the graffiti at the recruiting station and the unnecessary invasion of Iraq. We are capable of two things at once.

    Posted by on March 21, 2008 at 0725 hrs


  37. We on the left condemn the graffiti at the recruiting station and the unnecessary invasion of Iraq. We are capable of two things at once.

    Sure, but I just think its funny that the moment it was posted, PJR rebutted with criticism of the war.

    It was instant justification of the vandalism.

    How would you libs react if someone posted outrage at Tim McVeigh’s bombing of the Federal Building and someone responded with nothing but point by point reasons why the federal government is out of line.

    You guys would need a valium…

    PJR didn’t even toss in a nugget of criticism of the actions.  NOT even a trite disclaimer that “while I don’t support the vandalism”..

    Just jumped in to instand criticism of the war, and all the other anti-war posters jumped on board. 

    That’s disgusting.

    And now that its been pointed out several times we have a few who are going to sit here and say:

    And you all go ballistic over some graffiti, regrettable though it is.

    Yes… “regrettable”

    Interesting choice of words.

    And it took 36… THIRTY SIX posts before one of you lefties came out and actually condemned it.

    Shocking…

    As far as this being a recruiting office… Just how exactly do you think soldiers would interpret people going and vandalising the place where they enlisted for service for???  Just how do you think “war is offensive” is interpreted by the troops on the ground who think they are fighting a noble cause.  And I know many of them do, and I know many of them believe in it.

    We are capable of two things at once.

    Really?  Cause it seems more to me that you aren’t capable of supporting the troops without a disclaimer. It seems to me that you arent capable of criticizing criminals and vandals without a disclaimer.

    Lastly… What YOU think is supporting the troops may not be what the troops think is supporting the troops.  Just food for though.  “saying” you are supporting the troops doesn’t mean you are.

    Posted by on March 21, 2008 at 0933 hrs


  38. I have an idea for these punk vandalizers.

    How about you go find your precious liberal senators offices and spray paint there… You know… Those guys who voted for the war!

    How about you go find your precious liberal representatives who voted for the war and vandalize their offices?

    Try someone who actually pulls strings in Washington instead of an Army recruitment station which so many have been targeted lately.

    (and before you get your panties in a further wad, I’m not serious, I merely pointing out the hypocrisy)

    Posted by on March 21, 2008 at 0948 hrs


  39. Nice XX, especially #37.

    Posted by on March 21, 2008 at 1131 hrs


  40. Your disdain for this war (and probably every war) is so irrelevant to the conversation.

    Yet you dwell on it? Almost 36 hours later.

    Sure, but I just think its funny that the moment it was posted, PJR rebutted with criticism of the war.

    It was instant justification of the vandalism.

    My my xxp, assuming quite a bit in all of this aren’t we.

    In fact in every mention of my comment you have assumed a lot.

    I disdain war?

    I justify vandalism?

    All I did was state my reasons for being against the war in Iraq and why.

    You fantasized the rest.

    It’s not about what I said it’s about you wanting to interpret everything through your own narrow perception of things.

    Let the Iraqi’s spend their time, people and money on this.

    Maybe you should add reading comprehension to you long list of accomplishments.

    Can’t wait till you make a case for driving as a constitutional right or whining about how your mommy won’t let you carry a gun.

    Posted by on March 21, 2008 at 1203 hrs


  41. All I did was state my reasons for being against the war in Iraq and why.

    In a post not about the war - but about graffiti to an Army facility.  So yes it was your way of justifying the vandals.

    I think that it just plain hurts you that xx hit the nail on the head for a lot less money than you are [probably] spending on a shrink

    Posted by Clint on March 21, 2008 at 1238 hrs


  42. PJR,

    I don’t think the issue here is your beef with the war.  You have every right to think and say what you like about the subject.  I happen to have my own complaints about it, so that much I can understand.  Problem is, you picked the wrong forum to express that view. 

    What happened at the recruiting station was despicable, and your inflammatory comments in response to a brave soldier’s (Owen) understandable outraged served no purpose other than fanning the flames of his anger toward the vandals. 

    If you wanted to have a civil discussion about the War in Iraq, you wouldn’t have chosen this post to make your opinion known.  Your decision to use this horrible situation as a sounding board against the war is ill-conceived, and shows your true nature and sentiments towards our brave men and women in uniform.

    Posted by Joey on March 21, 2008 at 1242 hrs


  43. pjr…

    your response in this thread is indicative of your mindset.

    You can spin that all you want… Everyone here can look at what owen posted, look at the angle you took in your response, and make a judgement of just where your mind is at.

    Can’t wait till you make a case for driving as a constitutional right or whining about how your mommy won’t let you carry a gun.

    Oh gosh… I’m destroyed… You’ve savaged my internet persona to pieces.  Well done!!!

    Posted by on March 21, 2008 at 1243 hrs


  44. Seems like you and Clint et al are spinning what I posted to fit your mindset.

    I said what I said period.

    You can extrapolate the rest as you please.

    Posted by on March 21, 2008 at 1259 hrs


  45. Tonight on McNeil Leherer they posted 12 more dead of our bravest, most in their 20’s and some in their 30’s. As usual I cried for the loss.

    Why are we wasting our finest on Iraq?

    That is my mindset.

    And I already admitted that “wasting” was a very poor choice of words.

    Posted by on March 21, 2008 at 1308 hrs


  46. pjr,
    The post was on vandalism as a means of protesting the war.  That context (you used the term assumption) is gratis on our part.  If you think that vandalism is not an acceptable form of protest, it is incumbent upon you to make that clear in your comments.  It is our responsibility to add the context of the post to your statement.  Your ‘mindset’ then seems to be lashing out against the war when it is brought up in any context… that means you are indeed for vandalism as a means to protest the war.  Just admit it.

    Posted by on March 24, 2008 at 0749 hrs


  47. It is our responsibility to add the context of the post to your statement.

    Obviously a responsibility you take very seriously.

    Your ‘mindset’ then seems to be lashing out against the war when it is brought up in any context

    How perceptive.

    that means you are indeed for vandalism as a means to protest the war.

    That’s the assumption part.

    While you were pondering these weighty issues over the weekend how many more were killed in Iraq?

    Posted by on March 24, 2008 at 1121 hrs


  48. Obviously a responsibility you take very seriously.

    I usually try and it is people who don’t use the context of the post in their comments that start these sometimes interesting, sometimes lame discussions. 

    I see the distinction you are making, but really, your argument is that our assumptions were false and we were wrong because we did not see immediately that you were blindly lashing out against the war in general?  Huh… Doesn’t say much for you that way either.

    Posted by on March 24, 2008 at 1203 hrs


  49. your argument is that our assumptions were ....

    Unfounded by my comments.

    Posted by on March 24, 2008 at 1220 hrs


  50. A difference that is no difference. You might as well have written your comment on one of the “Name this geographical location” posts last week.  According to you the original subject matter would have been equally as irrelevant especially if the location had been in Iraq or a recruiting office, or an army base, etc. Anything that reminds you of ‘the war’.  Actually it would have been better on one of those posts because it would not have had the poor interpretation on other reader’s part.

    Posted by on March 24, 2008 at 1532 hrs


  51. If you feel such a need to dictate how, what, when and where someone should speak, please confine it to your home.

    Posted by on March 24, 2008 at 1649 hrs


  52. No, no, ramble on about anything you want, I gave you no dictates before and none now.  Here are some associative words to help you out:  unpatriotic, Iraq war, universal health care, Obama, racism, condoms, BUSH… Now lash away and I will remember to not bother with any more comments on this thread. 

    (I do love people who can’t quit when they are behind.)

    Posted by on March 25, 2008 at 0754 hrs


  53. A little update on how well things are going in Iraq.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/articl e3631718.ece

    Why the hell are we keeping our people in the middle of this?

    Posted by on March 28, 2008 at 0228 hrs


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