Walker Goes Negative
On Tuesday, Walker began running ads that blast Neumann for voting for a transportation bill in 1998 that Pelosi, a California Democrat, also voted for. Walker said the ad was larded with $9 billion in pork spending.
The first thing to note is that Walker wouldn’t have run a negative ad against Neumann if the race wasn’t getting tight. Neumann has been blitzing the radio and television with ads and it’s bound to have an impact. I was up in the Shawano area this weekend and chatted with two guys who are true conservatives but not political junkees. Both said they were voting for Walker, but also had very favorable opinions of Neumann. At this point, I think there’s a chance that Neumann may win the primary, but I admit that it’s a small chance.
Next we get to the content of the charge. It’s true. Neumann voted for the bill and so did Pelosi. The juxtaposition may be uncomfortable for Neumann, but it’s a truthful representation of his record that is certainly worthy of consideration. The fact that Barrett voted against the bill is almost more damning to Neumann. It’s also a legitimate issue considering that Neumann has been touting his record in Congress as a reason to vote for him. If he’s proud of that record, then he should be willing to stand by it and not whimper when people actually reference it.
I will tell you this… I won’t vote for Mark Neumann. I think he’s a conservative, but I also think he’s dishonest. I’d almost rather have Tom Barrett in office than Neumann. At least Barrett is honest and utterly ineffective.
By “blitzing the radio,” surely you’re talking about the commercial where Neumann spends the entire time blasting Walker and Barrett for talking about each other instead of the issues. His hypocrisy is so blatant that he almost gets away with it.
I would have pinched my nose and supported Neumann had he ran for Senate, but up against Walker, he definitely does not get my vote.
Posted by Fuzz on September 07, 2010 at 1802 hrs
I think the ads juxtaposing Neumann with Pelosi are despicable—certainly far more vicious than anything Neumann has run regarding Walker. Now, I’m voting for Neumann.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on September 07, 2010 at 1956 hrs
Newman must not have kissed the right behinds because his resume screams qualified while Walker is a young guy on his way to being an old party hack.
I thought the tea party prized achievement , and encouraged do-er’s like Ron Johnson
But its’ Johnson good, Newman bad.
Insider smoke (free) politics at its worst.
if scott walker has been in politics lo these many years, it’s possible that he may have lied about something.Heck, I bet even a few of the walker supporters have lied-maybe even recently.
We’re voting for Governor of a state in trouble, not for the pope.
So, I’m throwing out “the son of God ” comparison and voting for Newman
(in a parallel universe-)
but it is fun to watch you “principled conservatives” just read the talking points from your betters and vote for the Boy King.against a guy who has achieved meaningfully in the real world you’re such experts in
Honest yet ineffective Tom “The Hero “Barrett 52-Jesus H Walker 48
If newman wins the primary ,He and only he beats Barrett
Go forth and do your masters bidding -and may the establishment be with you
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on September 07, 2010 at 2013 hrs
Belling talked about this a few weeks back, his thought was Neumann for lack of funds was backed into a corner with only one game plan, that being hold off to the end and throw everything including the kitchen sink at it.
Walker is stating facts he is not twisting it in any way,if Neumann dont like it tough beans, cry me a river.Owen I hope your wrong about Neumann having a slight chance, think about it the man voted with Pelosi…PELOSI…. of all people, to think at some point in time Neumanns mind and Pelosis were in synch like a vulcan brain scan, man thats nasty stuff.
I had no idea of Neumanns voting record until I saw this commercial, keep up the good work Scott.Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on September 07, 2010 at 2023 hrs
Mr Maley, your new hero spells his name N E U M A N N, not N E W M A N.
It’s funny to watch the anti-Walker cabal try to swing votes to Neumann. They are hoping they can get a candidate that Timid Tom the Taxer actually has a hope of beating. Mark Neumann is that candidate.
The tea party movement does encourage doers… and Scot Walker has definitely been a do-er. He talks the talk… but we can also see his footprints all over the county budget, where he has walked the walk.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on September 07, 2010 at 2024 hrs
If these are examples of Neumann supporters, I am glad I have made up my mind on Walker. You people sound as bitter as a lot of the libs who post here.
I would have voted for Neumann, if it were not for the shenanigans he pulled earlier this year. Example- lying that his people were not allowed into the convention.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on September 07, 2010 at 2025 hrs
I’m fine with it. If you don’t like negative ads in politics, then you need to study up on their use in American politics over the last 200 years, or so.
Neumann has been running ads about Walker being a “career politician”, and how that’s a bad thing, but it seems to me that Neumann’s goal is to become a career politician.
I, too, believe Neumann is a conservative; but I also believe he can not be trusted.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on September 07, 2010 at 2036 hrs
If you’re concerned about honesty, you wouldn’t be supporting Walker. Which is it. Owen? Honesty or party lines.
Posted by capper on September 07, 2010 at 2037 hrs
I think the Pelosi thing is excellent. It reminds people that non “career politician” Mark Neumann spent time in Congress with Pelosi among others and also has run for other offices.
For a “businessman”, Neumann sure spends a lot of time either running for public office or participating in businesses that have fed off public funds (charter schools) or tax incentives (weatherization/home building).
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on September 07, 2010 at 2055 hrs
Great. Spammers support Mark Neumann.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on September 07, 2010 at 2136 hrs
Ya gotta admit this is pretty funny.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on September 07, 2010 at 2149 hrs
Even though Ray Ban Sunglasses support Neumann, I can’t stomach the man. I like to think i’m a staunch conservative, but i think i actually vote Barrett over Neumann. i just don’t want to be associated with or represented by Neumann. Walker has walked the walk ever since he was first elected, truly someone we can trust. I think Neumann is a conservative, but I wouldn’t trust him…but I KNOW Walker is a conservative. Even after Walkrer wins, I hope everyone remembers who Neumann showed himself to be. I for one would never do business with the man. Character does matter.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on September 07, 2010 at 2226 hrs
If you want honesty out of any of the three you may just as well stay home. It’s very difficult to find one, but give me someone who dosen’t turn a blind eye to the law when it stands in the way of what they want. Those who follow anyone blindly because of what they profess to be. Will find themselves in a situation like many people who wanted change in the last presidential election.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on September 07, 2010 at 2345 hrs
Neumann is duplicitous. First his stunt at the Washington County GOP headquarters where he showed up with a reporter to deliver literature. Only to find “horrors” nobody there. He could not wait a few minutes for someone to come, hey he got his picture and left. Then his stunt at the GOP Convention with his demonstration about his supporters not being let in to vote. Forgetting some of them had their credentials on. Then, a few weeks ago, he comes to FDL and never bothers to tell the local party about it. We read it in the paper the night before. His “outsider” image is his own. I wonder who will vote for him if he wins the primary? Capper?
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on September 08, 2010 at 0009 hrs
Why would he have to check in with the GOP when they had already anointed Scott “Because it’s my turn” Walker?
Why is it bad for Neumann to go negative when Walker has been going negative the whole campaign?
Posted by capper on September 08, 2010 at 0014 hrs
Spotter,
I could not disagree more, about not hearing truth from any of the three. I don’t usually believe anything i hear from any politician, but in Walker’s case, he has actually governed exactly as he campaigned. Actually can’t think of another politician who has come close to him in staying true to his promises. And while I think Barrett is a useless idiot, he seems to be a decent enough guy. All politicians play some games, but Neuman is by far the sleeziest in this field.
This may be the first vote, i’ve cast since Reagan(my first vote ever) that I voted for someone and not against someone. (i.e. i couldn’t stand bush, but he got my vote over Gore (at least he was sane, and not a complete crook) I’ve never missed a vote in my life, but I’m darn tired of voting for the better of two idiots. Will be nice to vote for someone.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on September 08, 2010 at 0145 hrs
I do not think this is worse then Walker increasing Milwaukee County spending more then Doyle increased State spending.
Actually, I think that Walker is more like Tommy Thompson then he is like Doyle.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on September 08, 2010 at 0516 hrs
I do not think this is worse then Walker increasing Milwaukee County spending more then Doyle increased State spending.
Just because Neumann says it doesn’t make it true. Figures lie and liars figure.
That was one of the things that turned me against Neumann. Spinning the numbers to make a crazy and desperate claim like that tells me that Mark Neumann is more interested in winning that in being true to his professed beliefs. I simply don’t trust the man anymore.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on September 08, 2010 at 0654 hrs
...and if you need a better reason to vote for Walker, here it is
Anyone with progressive support is usually a bad choice. Progressive seems to be the polar opposite of low taxes, sane fiscal policy, realistic social policy, and personal liberty.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on September 08, 2010 at 0705 hrs
I meant that Walkers allegation is no worse then Neumann’s allegation about Walker increasing Milwaukee Counties spending more then Doyle increased State spending.
Neumann inferred that Walker is no different or is worse then Doyle while Walker said Neuman is the same as Pelosi.
While I do not believe anyone will buy that Neumann is like Pelosi or that Walker is like Doyle, I gave my impression that I think Walker is more like Tommy Thompson.
I do not think I can make that analogy with Neuman. I think he is very independent and very conservative with areas of weakness. Do I want this or another Thompson type is the choice I see we have because I rule out Barrett completely.
Presently, I think Neuman will do what he says regardless of what the parties demand. I don’t think Walker will have that liberty.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on September 08, 2010 at 0754 hrs
OFR, I think that is interesting because, when Walker was in rhe legislature, he made some enemies because of his independence. Now, people suggest that he will be owned by the party. A guy can’t win.
Back to Owen’s original point. I am concerned. I also was north this weekend. I saw far more Neumann signs. I also spoke to a number of people who bought into the Neumann “independent businessman”/“not acareer politician” approach. They didn’t trust Walker (he’s from Milwaukee). They didn’t cae about the inside baseball (conventions and haedquarters) stuff. They thought the brown bag was too gimmicky.
I support Walker. I will, however, support the Republican nominee. I am concerned that, despite current polls, only Walker can beat Barrett. Neumann will be unable to poll in the Milwaukee area. Walker has proven he can win here. I fear Republicans will make the same mistake they made four years ago.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on September 08, 2010 at 0855 hrs
No contest.
Walker’s said what he’d do and then did just that. Walker’s word has been exactly how he’s acted. For example, you can bet that the train will stop with Walker as the next governer.
While Neuman was a reasonably good congressman he has shown a very unseemly side with his antics as stated here.
For a long time now this state has drifted backwards. Companies, jobs and college graduates have left the state in droves. We need a dramatic change statewide to turn this thing around.
Walkers the only guy you can trust that what he says will get done.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on September 08, 2010 at 1035 hrs
John -
I never heard Walker had enemies because of his Independence. I also want to make clear that I’m not anti-Walker but right now I think Neuman can and will do what needs to be done.
I’m not sure why you think Walker has a lock on the Milwaukee area but I do think Neuman will get the baby boomer vote.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on September 08, 2010 at 1038 hrs
OFR:
The math is simple. If I understand correctly, no Republican has ever won the governorship without over 40% of the Milwaukee vote. Few Republicans are able to get that. You might have noticed that, except for Walker, the Dems pretty much have Milwaukee tied up. Walker has proven, in his County Executive races, that he can turn out voters in Milwaukee. Contrary to what capper and others might think, there are a lot of Independents and Democrats in Milwaukee who trust Walker.
Tommy Thompson understood the necessity of Milwaukee. He knew he could do well in the outstate areas, but to win he needed a strong Milwaukee base. That is why, when his first primary opponents were duking it out in the Valley and the burbs, he went to John McIver and Mike Grebe and built an early power base in Milwaukee. Otherwise, it is likely that George Watt or Jonathan Barry probably would have been the nominee. No Republican (for Governor or Senate) has been able to dent this market since.
Barrett also is popular in Milwaukee. Shouldn’t the GOP have a nominee who is best equipped to battle Barrett on his own turf? Otherwise, it will be the same old story.
There is a reason Gard and others supported Mark Green four years ago. Walker was not part of the legislative country club.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on September 08, 2010 at 1108 hrs
I will vote for Neumann in the general election should he take the primary. He is conservative, despite his stances on the “green” stuff. I just think that Walker is the better candidate, and would be able to make the unbelievably tough decisions that are going to be needed to get this state back on track. I think Maley has got this thing completely backward, I have no doubt that Neumann is more like Thompson that Walker is… But we all know that the entrenched liberal perspective is that Barrett can beat Neumann, and that he will be slaughtered by Walker.
But.
I think Walker is going to win the primary. Barrett cannot and will not beat either candidate. It is going to be very easy to take potshots at Milwaukee under Barrett, and they will be effective. All that said, I like Tom Barrett, the person, not the politician, however…. He just has no chance, not following Jim Doyle.It is pretty clear that having a (D) after your name this year is toxic, just as the opposite was true a in the last two elections.
Lets face facts. The base is charged about Walker, people are excited that we might actually have a reform minded candidate on the ballot for once. Wisconsin Republicans have been to Conservatism what ethanol has been to gasoline, and I for one am excited that we finally have a candidate who has the stones to stand up to the Mouchesque-progressivist boloney that this state has wallowed in for generations.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on September 08, 2010 at 1253 hrs
Up in the southern part of the Fox Valley, I see little support for Neumann anywhere. He comes and goes without notifying the local GOP. I am uncertain how he expects, if he wins the primary, to win the election without help of the grassroots GOP members.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on September 08, 2010 at 1819 hrs
While I’m glad that Neumann has pulled back on the negative ads, I find it hypocritical—at best; more like disingenous—for him to stand there in his current series of commercials criticizing Walker and Barrett for being negative.
I also will be supporting Walker, as there are too many erratic and flaky actions taken by Neumann to raise concerns about how he would act as governor.
Posted by hsgbdmama on September 08, 2010 at 1914 hrs
So now that it has come out that Walker also supported the bill and was glad it passed, does that make him a Pelosi lover as well?
Owen, I think I can still get you a Barrett yard sign…
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