Voter Intimidation By Black Panthers In Philadelphia
Sure enough. Here’s the raw video.
That’s funny,
I’ve been watching CNN and they have not mentioned this. Of course they did do a nice piece on Senator Obama invoking Dr. King Jr. Now they were just talking about John and Cindy McCain and then mentioned the KKK.
NicePosted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 04, 2008 at 1309 hrs
I’m glad the poll watchers are out in force - on both sides.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 04, 2008 at 1315 hrs
Also: a nightstick? What a jerk! Not quite sure I believe the bit about “a black man is going to win the election” though - that part sounded a bit off.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 04, 2008 at 1316 hrs
Agreed. My BS meter was going off until they showed the Black Panther guy and he didn’t deny it. If I was falsely being accused of voter intimidation, I’d be vocal in my denial. The fact that the BP guy responded by accusing the news crew of intimidation pretty much confirmed the story for me.
Posted by Owen on November 04, 2008 at 1328 hrs
I’m sure they didn’t scare away any little old ladies.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 04, 2008 at 1431 hrs
Welcome to Obama’s America everyone!
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 04, 2008 at 1519 hrs
Also: a nightstick? What a jerk!
Thats an interesting comment
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 04, 2008 at 1537 hrs
Why do you find it interesting? I think it’s a pretty terrible, jerk-y thing to do. I think it is intimidating, and meant to be so.
On the other hand, there’s nothing to say that anyone didn’t cast a vote because these guys were there, and honestly the woman in the background didn’t seem fazed at all by their presence.
The “Obama’s America” is, I think, unfair and wrong. I don’t believe the nightstick swinger represents Obama any more than a Klansman would represent McCain. Or, for that matter, the cretins hoisting Obama monkeys at the convention. I find them loathsome, but not particularly representative.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 04, 2008 at 1542 hrs
Okay, so if a couple of KKK members showed up in Philly with clubs to balance out the Black Panther presence, you’re okay with that, even though it would appear to be “jerky”.
No, I get it. I’ll shut up now.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 04, 2008 at 1611 hrs
Now that’s just a shame for those two men to show up at the polls one with a night stick. That is not Obama’s america as earlier stated. Obama does not represent black america nor does black america represent him, does it not matter that he has a white mother? I hope this does’nt hurt his chances because people think that all black people are negative.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 04, 2008 at 1614 hrs
Pelican pants, WHERE did I say it was anything like “okay”? I said it was terrible.
But. If the KKK folks showed up I wouldn’t have posted “Welcome to McCain’s America.” I don’t think that would be fair, and I don’t think your comment was fair, either.
Where did you get that I would be “okay”?!?
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 04, 2008 at 1617 hrs
My comments are not meant to be either “fair” or “unfair”. They are my comments and opinions and not open for criticisms about fairness.
And as far as being “okay” with it, look at post #2, where you said, “I’m glad the poll watchers are out in full force - on both sides.”
So not only are you “okay” with it, you’re “glad”.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 04, 2008 at 1633 hrs
Now that’s just a shame
Ah yes… just a shame isn’t it.
Pelican pants, WHERE did I say it was anything like “okay”? I said it was terrible.
On the other hand, there’s nothing to say that anyone didn’t cast a vote because these guys were there, and honestly the woman in the background didn’t seem fazed at all by their presence.
So its just much ado about nothing eh wondkettegirl?
I mean sure, its “jerky” but no harm done right?
Obama does not represent black america nor does black america represent him,
You’re right… he only represents like 90% of black america or something right?
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 04, 2008 at 1633 hrs
Owen and others-
I don’t see voter intimidation in either video. I see Fox News slanting coverage, though. Looking at the report critically, which news consumers should do of ALL media, I don’t see the intimidation. I see one poll watcher claiming intimidation, but even he recognizes the right of these BP guys to be there, at least one of them. I do think the (unsubstantiated) claim of the guy saying something about “not coming back out again because a black man is going to win this election” is not only a stupid thing to have said, if true, and doesn’t really make much sense but also just reported as if it were true. Can’t we get some folks to do some reporting on some of these claims?Posted by Mike on November 04, 2008 at 1639 hrs
Hoo boy. You guys are reaching, now. I wrote that I’m glad the poll watchers are out - nightstick guy is not a legitimate poll watcher. I also said ON BOTH SIDES - that way b.s. gets called out promptly.
I’m not glad the nightstick guy was out - I think he did a terrible thing, and I said as much. I think he meant to be intimidating.
As to whether he DID intimidate anyone into not voting, well, no one is saying that he did. Doesn’t make it “no harm done,” because I think the fact of his attempt at intimidating IS a harm, but it also doesn’t make it an illegitimate election.
As far as Obama “representing 90% of black America,” I honestly don’t know what to say to that. I feel very confident that 90% of black Americans are NOT represented by nightstick guy.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 04, 2008 at 1642 hrs
I don’t see voter intimidation in either video.
So if a couple “good ol boys” wearing sleeveless confederate flag t-shirts and a night stick were standing there would you see that as intimidation?
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 04, 2008 at 1644 hrs
How do you know he’s not a “legitimate poll watcher”? He’s at the polls and he’s watching…sounds pretty legitimate to me. Do you have any evidence to the contrary that he is not a legitimate poll watcher?
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 04, 2008 at 1648 hrs
I meant an “official poll watcher,” as the GOP operative interviewed by FOX acknowledged the other man to be. FOX also acknowledged that it had no evidence of anyone actually being intimidated or not voting because of this jerk.
So yeah, I can say that it was a stupid, ugly thing to happen. Fortunately, folks objected to it, reported what was happening, the police took the guy away, and it’s over. According to Fox, the guy was there for about an hour.
It was an ugly incident, but to blow this up into some sort of Obama-led mass vote suppression is ridiculous.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 04, 2008 at 1654 hrs
Uhh…when did I say it was a “Obama-led mass vote suppression” effort??
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 04, 2008 at 1700 hrs
It was an ugly incident, but to blow this up into some sort of Obama-led mass vote suppression is ridiculous
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I don’t think anyone is suggesting this is an orchestrated Obama campaign tactic. I interpreted the comment ‘Welcome to Obama’s America’ to mean ... this is now the kind of stuff we can expect. These groups and tactics will be tacitly accepted or at least enabled by the Obama supporters. We have seening the thuggery of the Obama support gradually increasing, and this is the natural extension of it at the polls ... Perhaps these will be the first brigade commanders in Obama’s new ‘Civilian Security Force’ ... after all, all they are doing is ensuring a fair election, ensuring civilian security, right? Frankly, EVERYONE should be outtraged that these tactics are occurring anywhere ... weather it be Blank Panthers or Skinheads. But the implication that it was no more than ‘jerky’ does not portray an attitude of outrage ... it portrays one of enabling. Welcome to Obama’s America.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 04, 2008 at 1703 hrs
To me, “jerk-y” is pretty bad. Then I also said “terrible,” “stupid,” and “ugly.” I’m no apologist for this guy, and I don’t expect McCain supporters would be apologists for klan or skinhead thugs, which I consider the rough equivalent of this jerk.
I know folks will point to my point that no one seemed actually intimidated to make it appear as if I am saying it’s no big deal. That would be to misinterpret my words. It IS a big deal. It’s just not as big a deal as Fox, Drudge, et al, would like it to be.
And I do not, in any way, see it as a portent of things to come under an Obama administration. To point to a single incident of attempted intimidation and say “See! See what you did!” is reaaaaaaalllly stretching it.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 04, 2008 at 1709 hrs
We have seen the thuggery of the Obama support gradually increasing
Reminds me of Michael Barone’s column:
The coming liberal thugocracy
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/13/the-coming-thugocracy/print/
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 04, 2008 at 1711 hrs
Thanks for posting that mht ... I was thinking of that article when I wrote my post buy couldn’t remember who wrote it.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 04, 2008 at 1714 hrs
xxp-
So if a couple “good ol boys” wearing sleeveless confederate flag t-shirts and a night stick were standing there would you see that as intimidation?
No. But I’d object to the night stick.
Posted by Mike on November 04, 2008 at 1714 hrs
To everyone using the term “Thug”, you’re racist.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 04, 2008 at 1720 hrs
TD - you pretty much nailed it.
My comment about “Welcome to Obama’s America” should not be read to mean that under the Administration of President Obama, these types of activities and individuals will be funded and/or condoned.
But rather, with Obama in the White House, these individuals and organizations will feel more empowered and more brazen in their efforts and ability to intimidate people into their way of thinking. Whether Obama knows it or not, a victory will only bring more of these types of people to the forefront of our current state of affairs.
I mean, seriously, when the last time anyone saw a full-fledged member of the Black Panthers out in public view like this? Anyone?? In my opinion, this is only the tip of the iceberg in Obama’s America…so welcome to it.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 04, 2008 at 1725 hrs
I mean, seriously, when the last time anyone saw a full-fledged member of the Black Panthers out in public view like this? Anyone??
Last month on Milwaukee County buses. That was cool.
Posted by Mike on November 04, 2008 at 1729 hrs
And yet another reason to stay away from Milwaukee.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 04, 2008 at 1736 hrs
Why? Because there are people who care enough to act on a concern over rising levels of violence on their own, without asking government to step up and take care of the problem for them? Hmmmmm seems like a good conservative value to me.
Posted by Mike on November 04, 2008 at 1740 hrs
Oh cool. So then you support allowing citizens the right to conceal and carry a firearm in Wisconsin. Welcome to the club! No pun intended.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 04, 2008 at 1751 hrs
Were we talking about conceal and carry? You trying to catch me on something? OK lets say you and I were the deciders. I’ll indicate a willingness to talk on concealed carry. What would you bring to the table?
Posted by Mike on November 04, 2008 at 1808 hrs
Stop freakin’ out.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1108/Panther_vs_Obama.html?showall
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 04, 2008 at 1908 hrs
What I find interesting is the constant use of the word ‘orchestrated’. What we have here is a loosely held together set of circumstances that could never be traced back to ‘the one’ but are all done in his name. We see no fraud in WI but our own Lena Taylor is asked to visit the DA to discuss her electioneering, we have these dirt bags standing in front of the doors to a polling place not intimidating but just standing there. We have the wrong ballots sent to a tosa polling place. There are thousands of fake voter registrations and hundreds of thousands of people registered in multiple places or dead. Obama’s Grandmother vote countd and she died 3 days before the election. This is called a grass roots movement. They are not connected to each other when observed at a granular level but if you look at them from a high level they are all doing what they are doing to forward a single thing. This is not coincidence nor is it going to end.
Posted by fishaddict on November 05, 2008 at 0015 hrs
This kind of thuggery is clearly voter intimidation and there is nothing racist in calling a spade a spade. Why would anyone stand there smacking a nightstick in his hand unless he was TRYING to be intimidating? “intimidating thug” seems perfectly appropriet to me whether anyone was actually intimidated or not….... I don’t care! It’s inapropriet to the extreme!
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 05, 2008 at 0039 hrs
Ahh ha ha ha. That’s Minister King Samir Shabazz. I’ve met that dude a couple times when I’ve visited people in North Philly. I’m white, so he hated me with a passion. I found him pretty amusing. He’s an absolute nutjob, kind of like one the quasi-homeless State Street characters and street preachers in Madison, except he scares the bejeebus out of white folks with his choice of rhetoric.
It seems appropriate though. I’ve always thought it would be funny to turn the tables on the voter ID crowd by putting registration locations in the hood. Not someplace dangerous, just someplace where white people tend to get a little twitchy and paranoid, like a lot of black folks feel at the courthouse or city hall.
You’d just have to go to the liquor store, next to the gun shop, and show Big Tig your ID to register. Might be a little intimidating for my grandma who’s always lived in a very rural, very white area, but if she hasn’t pissed off the 77th street crips, then she doesn’t have any realistic worries and she needs to get over it.
Irrational intimidation is a two-way street. Places where you’re perfectly comfortable are intimidating to other people based on their circumstances and experiences, and vice versa.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 05, 2008 at 1626 hrs
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