From the “there’s nothing new under the sun” category.
The electoral implications were significant because the Irish Catholics gravitated toward a welcoming Democratic Party that organized them into voting blocs rather than trying to reform them with temperance lectures. In the three weeks before the election of 1844, as many as five thousand immigrants in New York City alone were naturalized so they could vote. Whigs, with their reform policies and reliance on a strong Protestant base, found it all but impossible to attract these new arrivals, and complaints that many immigrants were hastily naturalized or were allowed to vote even when not citizens further cemented their bond with Democrats. Clay consequently approached the issue of immigration and naturalization gingerly. Neither he nor the Whig Party opposed immigration and naturalization, he insisted, especially that of Irish Catholics. He pointed to his long record of supporting Spanish American independence and voting for land grants to French and Polish immigrants. Yet he also insisted that the government should enforce naturalization. Otherwise voter fraud would make elections meaningless and destroy the people’s faith in democracy. There was a reason, after all, that felons who were citizens were not allowed to vote. Like felons, residents who were not citizens were more likely to sell their votes to the highest bidder, polluting the franchise and soiling the very concept of civic virtue. “I am in favor of American industry, American institutions, American order, American liberty,” Clay proclaimed, but he added, “I wish our Country, forever, to remain a sacred asylum for all unfortunate and oppressed men whether from religious or political causes.”
- Henry Clay by David S. Heidler and Jeanne T. Heidler
And the relevancy of this to 2012 is…?
And your evidence of voter fraud in 2012 is…?
Or is it that you just don’t like brown-skinned voters and how they vote wrong, like Clay and the Protestant’s attitudes toward the Irish-Catholics?
My goodness, you’re an idiot. I was merely pointing out that these debates have been raging for centuries in this country.
My goodness, Owen, I was merely agreeing with you that there is nothing new under the sun; this country has a long and rich tradition of the white establishment disenfranchising minorities and recent immigrants.
Irony: not part of The Conservative’s Vocabulary.
According to True the Vote:
To date, 46 states have prosecuted or convicted cases of voter fraud.
More than 24 million voter registrations are invalid, yet remain on the rolls nation-wide.
There are over 1.8 million dead voters still eligible on the rolls across the country.
More than 2.75 million Americans are registered to vote in more than one state.
True The Vote recently found 99 cases of potential felony interstate voter fraud.
Maryland affiliates of True The Vote uncovered cases of people registering and voting after their respective deaths.
This year, True The Vote uncovered more than 348,000 dead people on the rolls in 27 states.
12 Indiana counties have more registered voters than residents.
The Ohio Secretary of State admitted that multiple Ohio counties have more registered voters than residents.
Federal records showed 160 counties in 19 states have over 100 percent voter registration.
The Florida New Majority Education Fund, Democratic Party of Florida and the National Council of La Raza are currently under investigation for alleged voter registration fraud.
If all of this is
the white establishment disenfranchising minorities and recent immigrants
then I maybe will start believing Bill Clinton did not have sex with ‘that woman.’
True the Vote?
Let me know when you have a credible organization to cite, not some teabagger-frenzied group. Dead people on the rolls? Who said they voted?
Let me see if I understand Bob. If I support changes in election laws that increase the integrity of the process I’m RAAAYYYCCCIIISSSTTTT!!!!!
True the Vote has no credibility when they quote Attorney Generals.
True the Vote has no credibility when they uncover public records of felony voter fraud.
Dead people on the rolls? Who says they didn’t vote?
I can travel into 5 different countries in two weeks and thirty days later my credit card company bills me for the exact amount I spent, and converts the currency to the exact date the charge was posted. But for some fucking unknown reason the government can’t accurately count the votes and the voters. They ought to be in charge of healthcare too…
Jeeze, Terry, did I strike a nerve?
Yes, if you support changes to election law that disproportionately affect minorities, the elderly and college students while doing little to protect the integrity of the vote (as you put it), you could be racist and a whole lot more. What you definitely are is a naked partisan who will disenfranchise Democratic voters, but won’t just come right out and say it. Much like Clay and the Protestants did toward Irish Catholics, to get back to my original point.
In support of your “integrity,” which Attorneys General do you wish to quote, the hard right hacks of Michigan, Ohio, or Florida? Or our own inadequate version?
I’m glad to hear you have such admiration of the efficiency of your credit card company. When it’s staffed by little old ladies who volunteer for a 16 hour day on Election Day, get back to me. Although to be honest, I would rather see them in charge of healthcare, instead of the for-profit private health insurance companies.
Dead people being registered to vote has been a problem for too long now. We should require folks to notify their county clerk 2-4 weeks before they die so they can be removed from the election rolls in a timely manner.
Sorry, I have always known I was a racist because I do not think dead people should vote especially not twice.
You showed stats saying dead people are on the rolls. You showed nothing that those dead people are voting. Where’s the fraud exactly, other than you just saying “I do not think dead people should vote”?
See the right to vote is so sacred that it should be open to all without a single restriction…yet another right is severely restricted, documented, and monitored. I am thinking that more people died at the hands of bad govt. than will ever die at the hands of semi auto, pistol gripped, bayonet lugged, muzzle shrouded, .223’s with 30 round magazines(it is a magazine not a clip for all of the misinformed). Why is it that one right can require background checks, mandated training, waiting periods, lifetime record keeping, regular audits, and required payment to excersize and another can be done willie nilly? I say that the same requirements and restrictions on one right be applied to the other.
Why is it that one right can require background checks, mandated training, waiting periods, lifetime record keeping, regular audits, and required payment to excersize and another can be done willie nilly?
Because it’s not about keeping rights. It is about taking them away by any means necessary.
Because one right just killed 27 innocents in CT. The other right, people have died to get.
What is wrong with you people?
You have no constitutional right to vote, dipshit.
One right did NOT kill anybody in CT. One person did. Once the selective rights crowd realizes this maybe we can solve the real problem.
Once the selective rights crowd realizes this maybe we can solve the real problem.
And what would that problem be?
The common law obligation to maintain the highest possible standards in compulsory pilotage areas. This obligation was confirmed and acknowledged by Lord Bingham the Lord Chief Justice in the Court of Criminal Appeal in April 2000 when allowing a reduction in penalty to Milford Haven port authority following its admission of guilt in the SEA EMPRESS incident of 1996. Lord Bingham noted with approval that efforts had been made to improve standards.