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Posted by Jed on July 11, 2007 at 1444 hrs
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Posted by Jed on July 11, 2007 at 1445 hrs
Is this where we start discussing the Illuminati, Tri-Lateral Commission, and Freemasons?
Posted by David on July 11, 2007 at 1445 hrs
Or what about the discovery of the Ark of the Covenant at Area-51…ooops….that was a spoiler
Posted by Pete Fanning on July 11, 2007 at 1449 hrs
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Posted by Lisa on July 11, 2007 at 1453 hrs
I actually like the open thread concept. Not for crazy stuff like what I wrote above, but in the event Owen, Jed, or Wendy don’t get around to a certain topic.
Here is mine: Jr. McGee being held in jail until trial.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=631336I think it’s a good idea. This guy has shown a propensity toward violence, witness intimidation, and rank disrespect for authority. The community will be safer with him behind bars until trial. It protects him as well. Less chance of even more screw-ups while he is out; this way he gets a fair trial.
Posted by David on July 11, 2007 at 1502 hrs
David, you can start all the open threads you want in the Forum.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on July 11, 2007 at 1538 hrs
I actually like the open thread concept. Not for crazy stuff like what I wrote above, but in the event Owen, Jed, or Wendy don’t get around to a certain topic.
We have the forums for that very reason. Hint hint.
Posted by Jed on July 11, 2007 at 1544 hrs
Lets talk about the new television commercials about SPEEDING the state troopers and DOT are running…
“Over the Limit Under Arrest”
First…
I love it how the government spends our tax dollars to run commercials telling us they are going to be spending even MORE of our tax dollars with blanket speeding enforcement where they will proceed to take MORE of our money from us in the form of arbitrary revenue generation via speeding tickets.
Don’t get me wrong… I’m ALL for ticketing dangerous driving. (at any speed) cutting someone off, no signal, innatentive driving… weaving in and out of traffic in a dangerous manner… Hell yeah.. write a ticket…
Sitting on I-94 near Johnson Creek with officers on overtime paid by grant monies from the state ticketing everyone over 13 mph over the limit is rediculous.
And Second…
Since when did speeding become an “Arrestable Offense”??
Listen to the commercial “Over the limit Under Arrest”
I guess its true… All my police friends tell me the State Troopers have an inferiority complex cause they have little authority over “real” crime… So they have further criminalize speeding to feel important…
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on July 11, 2007 at 1544 hrs
It is consider an arrest when an officer give you a ticket of any kind.
I have been following the story about the cop (SMPD) who shot a family dog in it’s yard as a three year old was playing nearby.
I am surprised this story hasn’t gotten more attention. It seems outrageous to me.
I’d be curious to know what others think.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on July 11, 2007 at 1603 hrs
It is consider an arrest when an officer give you a ticket of any kind.
Well, I wouldn’t bet my lunch money on it, but I’m almost positive that a speeding ticket is not an arrest.
An arrest they have to read you your rights, etc. etc. A speeding violation is not that.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on July 11, 2007 at 1634 hrs
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It was working great until I restarted Firefox…
Posted by Lisa on July 11, 2007 at 1640 hrs
I’m testing too. Ignore us.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on July 11, 2007 at 1834 hrs
I think it’s the Jefferson County Sheriff’s deputies who most often monitor the speeders on that stretch of I-94. A deputy friend says they can sit there all day and ticket 13-over speeders, one after another. It doesn’t sound like it’s entertaining work. It no doubt has its adrenaline moments and considerable personal risk.
About ten years ago, I was pulled over there for doing 67 in a 65 zone. I kid you not. He gave me a warning.
So what’s the point of a speed limit, if you don’t want it enforced? Any other laws you’d like to decriminalize?
Posted by John Foust on July 11, 2007 at 1842 hrs
Speeding in this state and most others is a Civil Infraction and is not a criminal offense. However if you fail to pay the ticket or show up for your court date you will be issued a bench warrant for contempt which is a criminal offense… And as far as enforcement, the cops have other things that need their attention, however you will find that they will step up speed enforcement when there is a bunch of complaints of speeders in a certain area, IE I94 between Jefferson and Waukesha Counties, another is the stretch of highway between Jackson and West bend a to the south of Jackson)
Posted by TomInGrMi on July 11, 2007 at 2220 hrs
So what’s the point of a speed limit, if you don’t want it enforced?
Certainly in residential areas there is a significant safety component to speed limits. Cars parked in close proximity to the lane of travel from which doors might open, people could step into the street, pets, etc. Speed limits in those areas ought to be enforced much differently. I still believe an officer should use their discretion. 35 in a 25 at midnight in a neighborhood with wide streets and no obstructions is not the same as doing 35 in a 25 in a city neighborhood at 5 pm with narrow streets, kids playing in front yards etc. In those circumstances an officer should use their discretion. I see it every day in my neighborhood, the 18 year old down the street who whips by my house with his fart-can exhaust on his tricked out honda civic cutting the air like a chainsaw on steroids. Kids around… He doesn’t care…
He deserves a ticket…
Driving down the interstate doing 14 over on i-94, a divided highway which prohibits pedestrian traffic and has minimum speed requirements is not in and of itself ANY danger. Weaving thru traffic at 14 over on I-94 IS a danger… But cops sitting under overpasses arbitrarily writing everyone who does more than 13 over is a joke. Its PURELY revenue generation. I have dozens of cop friends. They are all Milwaukee Police Officers and they don’t even have radar units in their cars, they have REAL crime to deal with, but THEY tell me how they can drive 90 in a 65 ALL DAY LONG and when they get pulled, they flash the badge and away they go. (although they do tell me the state patrol (aka AAA with a badge) does LOVE to write cops tickets.
But anyone else… Sherrifs, local PD’s… You don’t write cops tickets. EVERYONE in uniform knows it (except the state troopers (AAA with a badge))
I got written on my motorcycle for doing 79 in a 55 a few months back in the MIDDLE of nowhere in Jefferson County. In my younger days when I use to be stupid and speed in town, I got pulled over one day and warned about my speed in town and the cop even TOLD ME to restrict speeding to country roads where noone was around.
It was 8 oclock at night on a sunday night, not a car, driveway or horse in sight… But JeffCo’s FINEST was sitting on a gravel apron running a speed trap.
THAT is rediculous. Its a misuse of public funds if you ask me. We hear about not enough police on the streets. Well we’ve got plenty of time to run speed traps on empty country roads and interstates… So lets divert some of THOSE resources away so this ‘demand for more cops on the street’ can be filled.
And like I said… reckless driving… weaving in and out of traffic, cutting people off. That’s dangrous to others… write those tickets ALL day long.
Any other laws you’d like to decriminalize?
Absolutely… How long do you have?
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on July 12, 2007 at 0940 hrs
XXXpilot, you’ve got no love for the State Troopers, I see. They are the same as any other cop in the state, with the same authority except in limited instances (they don’t investigate some crimes, those belong the DCI if the state does them).
They are certainly not AAA with a badge.
And doing 14 over is certainly more dangerous no matter what the limit happens to be, whatever the highway is. At 14 over, the car has a lot more energy if it should be involved in a crash, and it also reduces reaction time for the driver. So that is more dangerous.
The point is, there’s a line in the sand, and it has to be stuck to. The Speed Limit is not a suggestion. Just like any other law, at some point you have to draw the line and leave it at that.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on July 12, 2007 at 0947 hrs
The point is, there’s a line in the sand, and it has to be stuck to. The Speed Limit is not a suggestion. Just like any other law, at some point you have to draw the line and leave it at that.
Then write a ticker for EVERY person who goes over the speed limit no matter how much over. Write a ticket for 66 mph. Anything else is arbitrary and inherently unfairly enforced.
I like state troopers for the part of their job I can respect… Helping people on the highway etc. I’m merely repeating what my friends in the MPD have referred to State Troopers as (AAA with a badge)
I don’t respect seeing a State Trooper running laser on an overpass when I drive 2 miles up the road and someone is broken down in the emergency lane with no assistance. State Troopers should be patrolling, not running speed traps.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on July 12, 2007 at 1016 hrs
How quickly “There wasn’t a car or pedestrian in sight” becomes “He came out of nowhere, I’m so sorry.” Are you incapable of error?
As for highways, I think there’s plenty of danger posed because vehicles can be travelling at widely varying speeds. People riding my tail who want to do 90 while I’m at 72 in the left lane pose just as much a danger as someone doing 43 in the right lane, which is why there’s a minimum speed, too. As someone else pointed out, there’s the kinetic energy argument, too, as well as the reaction time, braking time and distance arguments. Weren’t you paying attention in driver’s ed?
Slow down and enjoy the view in our scenic, mostly-undeveloped Jefferson County. Stop in Jefferson this week and enjoy our County Fair, where I dare say the cream puffs are better and cheaper than those at the State Fair, and there’s a bottomless glass of milk (chocolated or regular) for less than a buck. And I know my pâte à choux.
Posted by John Foust on July 12, 2007 at 1021 hrs
If you saw a broken down car did you call it in to 911 to see if that officer could go and assist? Your MPD friends most likely haven’t dealt with a lot of the state troopers due to the fact they were BANNED from working within the county until very recently…. Look at it this way, the State HIGHWAY Patrol’s job is to keep YOUR highways safe, but it takes you and everyone else to help them do their job. If you see a motorist in need call it in. If you see someone weaving in and out of traffic like a madman/woman then call it in.
I worked as a Sheriff’s Deputy in Michigan for 2 years, I wrote a number of tickets to fellow Deputies and Police Officers within my district. And I even received a moving violation from one of my duty officers! (Rolling stop) So please spare me that cops won’t write cops up. I’ve seen it done and I had it done to me.
As far as speed traps go, you have to judge the car and how it is traveling in respect to the other traffic around it, that’s what they teach you in Traffic school 101. If you are exceeding the speed of the traffic around you, you will most likely get tagged by the State, Sheriff Dept, or local PD because you stood out. Trust me on this, we don’t laser every single freaking car traveling on the highway/interstate.
Posted by TomInGrMi on July 12, 2007 at 1027 hrs
If you saw a broken down car did you call it in to 911 to see if that officer could go and assist?
No… When I see someone on the side of the road that looks like they need help I STOP to help. Sometimes when I’m on a deadline I can’t, and I feel HORRIBLE for driving past, and in those cases I assume that nearly everyone has a cell phone and they have called for help already.
So please spare me that cops won’t write cops up. I’ve seen it done and I had it done to me.
I didn’t say it never happens. But you’re going to sit here and tell me that cops don’t get away with speeding almost all the time?
I’ve been in the car with them when they do it, they tell me ALL about how often they do it. Hands on the wheel. 10 and 2, cop comes up, they tell them they are an officer, show the tin, and off they go… And sure, they share the occasional story about the S.O.B. cop that wrote them, but you know as well as I do cops don’t get held to the same standard when they get pulled over.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on July 12, 2007 at 1233 hrs
Then I don’t understand your lack of respect for the SHP when they don’t even know there is a stranded motorist if you aren’t willing to call it in or make ASSumptions that they have a cell phone.
They tell you things huh? MPD cops huh? Interesting, maybe we need to get some records pulled about how many warnings officers give to other LEO’s and how many tickets are issued.Even up here in Kewaskum’s we have an officer who gave HIMSELF a ticket…
Intresting conduct that is going on in Milwaukee…
If I were to have done that as SD I would have been reprimanded for derelict of duty FYI…
Posted by TomInGrMi on July 12, 2007 at 1247 hrs
Then I don’t understand your lack of respect for the SHP when they don’t even know there is a stranded motorist if you aren’t willing to call it in or make ASSumptions that they have a cell phone.
Sorry… you’re lack of understanding doesn’t make sense to me…
Because if they were patrolling instead of running arbitrary speed traps, they wouldn’t need citizens to call in.
The fact that a citizen DOES, or DOES NOT call in doesn’t change my feeling that the highway patrol should PATROL, not sit and run lidar on overpasses.
It really isn’t that hard… you know… put the car in gear… enter the freeway… drive 10 miles up, turn around, drive 10 miles back they might actually come upon someone who needs help.
Or maybe they should just sit and wait for the radio to go off…
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