Stancl Gets 15 Years in Prison
This seems like a fair sentence to me.
Anthony Stancl, who used the Facebook social networking site to deceive and coerce fellow New Berlin Eisenhower High School students into sexual acts with him in 2008, was sentenced to 15 years in prison and another 13 years of extended supervision Wednesday.
Waukesha County Circuit Judge J. Mac Davis imposed the sentence because he said Stancl had proven he was manipulative, excessively self-centered and could still be dangerous.
“I am afraid of what he can and might do,” Davis said.
High school kid does something stupid. Get’s caught. Now 15 years in prison. His life is effectively over.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on February 24, 2010 at 2143 hrs
This wasn’t just “stupid”. This was sociopathic. The kid is not just a “menace”. His life deserves to be, “effectively over”.
Posted by Steve on February 24, 2010 at 2159 hrs
Yeah, 15 years in prison is just the medicine for a teenage sociopath. Go with that, Steve.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on February 24, 2010 at 2206 hrs
And you would do what? Let him go free to do it again? Or wait until it’s even MORE serious. Or maybe he molests your child? Hell, I don’t know, but I’m not waiting to find out. He knew what he did was not just wrong, but evil. Yeah. I’ll go with that.
Posted by Steve on February 24, 2010 at 2220 hrs
And you would do what? Let him go free to do it again?
Appeal to the absurd, a classic counter-argument strategy.
If you take the time to actually process my comments, you’ll notice I’ve merely noted that his sentence is going to have a negative impact on this young man’s life, and that spending 15 years in prison isn’t a very good prospect for a young sociopath.
I’ve made no indication - nor will I - about whether anything else could or should have been done.
But thanks for jumping down my throat. Such lovely discourse this website fosters. Yeah internet!
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on February 24, 2010 at 2238 hrs
Yeah, like what he did to his victims isn’t going to have negative effect on “their lives. Just like a Liberal to have more concern for the perpetrator than the victims. Stancl is a sick deviant who will come out of jail no better or worse than when he went in, but society will not have to worry about him harming anyone while he’s gone.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on February 24, 2010 at 2301 hrs
“Just like a Liberal…” Again, more ad hominem attacks. Where have I suggested that I have “more concern for the perpetrator than the victims”. This post is about his sentence, which is what I commented on. Christ, people.
And, FWIW, you’re deluding yourself to think that he’ll leave prison “no better or worse than he went in”. Can you honestly think prison will be a positive influence in his life trajectory? (And, before yet another person jumps all over this, such a question isn’t suggesting that he shouldn’t be in prison, etc. It is merely an observation about what the impact will be).
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on February 24, 2010 at 2327 hrs
I’m one of the 7 known liberals in washington County but in this case- I agree with the sentence.
This sends a strong message to adults and teenagers that new technology doesn"t change the need for basic human decency.
15 years makes the next blackmailer think twice -or should.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on February 25, 2010 at 0005 hrs
I agree that if this sentence becomes the norm, it certainly would act as a deterrent to your would-be teenage social networking blackmail artist.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on February 25, 2010 at 0010 hrs
Is everyone fine with knowing that the taxpayer will probably pay for this kid the rest of his life?
After 15 years in prison it’s unlikely he’ll ever be able to support himself nor will he probably want too. I’m sure there will some sort of public assistance that he’ll get. Heck in 15 years he’ll be able to get his free healthcare from Badger Care and take the high speed rail from Milwaukee to Madison to apply for his welfare and other public assistance. He’ll live in public housing and get a fully subsidized train riders pass to allow him to travel between Milwaukee and Madison.
I just don’t understand this rationale. First he victimizes people by being a sick creep, so we further victimize the victims by forcing them to pay for him the rest of his life?
I know I know “Well what would you do?” I have no idea since anything less than locking him in a cage and throwing the key away will anger the majority of people.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on February 25, 2010 at 0028 hrs
Blue ribbon goes to Jay4Liberty to find a way to reference multiple, unrelated, anti-liberal rants into a comment about this sentencing case. Beck would be proud.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on February 25, 2010 at 0030 hrs
What was “anti-liberal”? Stating the truth? In 15 years there will be high speed rail here. There will be a larger public health system that will be part of Badger Care. Wisconsin already has a very generous welfare system. How is it “anti-liberal” to state that? For crying out loud I’ll ask it again.
Is everyone OK with knowing they will be paying taxes in order to support this kid (and many others) including knowing they probably will be paying much more in 15 years?
Also, what sense does it make to punish the victims a second time by forcing them to pay for this guy for what probably will be the rest of his life?
Just mentioning what will probably be a fact in 15 years is not “anti-liberal”.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on February 25, 2010 at 0052 hrs
No George. Not “would-be teenage social networking blackmail artist”. More like “sexual predator blackmail artist”. But if you are ok with letting a sociopathic 15-year-old sexual predator morph into an sociopathic adult sexual predator or worse, let him live in your neighborhood and/or be “Facebook Friends” with your kids.
Still waiting to hear what an appropriate sentence is.
Not jumping down your throat, George. Just wondering WWGD? Defend your position.
Posted by Steve on February 25, 2010 at 0602 hrs
I think the sentence was appropriate.
@GEORGE: Of course 15 years in prison will have a negative impact on his life, that is what prison is for. It is an extreme measure for people who have taken extreme measures to cause detriment to other people. This 19 year old molested several children (people who have not attained the age of majority) he is not a “blackmailer” he is a sexual predator. If he had used the photographs to get money out of these kids it would be ok to call him a “blackmailer”, but he used these pictures to coerce these kids into satisfying him sexually, like a 50 year old creep at the playground with a handful of candy.
@JAY4LIBERTY: Unfortunately, we are no longer allowed to take our deviants out back and put them where they belong. Hell, I don’t even advocate that. The prison system, and its costs, have a benefit to society… It removes people who would cause more harm, psychologically and in dollars to society than their cost to incarcerate. Would you advocate that this kid be remanded to the care of his parents, and banned from the internet (as if that is possible) so that he can go out and find other methods of satisfying his perversion? I have to agree with George a bit (horror), you did just put out a “Glen Beck” like rant that offered absolutely no alternatives or solutions.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on February 25, 2010 at 0709 hrs
Just for the sake of discussion, would you feel any differently if he had committed his crimes at age 17 rather than 19?
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on February 25, 2010 at 0748 hrs
I love topics like this if for no other reason than how it exposes the hypocrisy of Liberals.
George:“Where have I suggested that I have “more concern for the perpetrator than the victims”.
By “not” mentioning the victims at all.George:“I agree that if this sentence becomes the norm, it certainly would act as a deterrent.”
Then why wouldn’t the death penalty have the same effect? You can’t have it both way George.
It matters little if anything to me how Stancl’s time in prison is as long as he figures out right from wrong, which I highly doubt he will, but more importantly I hope his parents realize what total pathetic failures they are.They too should bear the shame of raising such a sick piece of garbage.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on February 25, 2010 at 0930 hrs
@djmamayek If you think that was a Glenn Beck rant you’d be wrong. I simply stated what would most likely be the truth. I know people in this state are in denial over the fact that they will be paying for this guy much more than just his prison costs. There’s also 13 years of supervision….where ya think that’s going to happen in the house of his choice? Given how people react to just released criminals moving in to their neighborhood that’s unlikely. So it’ll be some state owned housing facility, which in all likelyhood will cost 10x what a regular house costs because everything government does is grossly overpriced.
You think the high speed rail thing isn’t true? Well it is. There are a lot of people here in Madison that are already wondering how the new line will help the poor. Any doubts this guy will be one of the poor when he gets out? Any doubts that some goof will talk about helping him get back on his feet and the least we can do is let him use the train for free to expand his job prospects?
How’s he going to support himself? Most people recoil in horror at the thought of hiring an ex-con, especially someone like this guy. Well we can’t just let him rot on the street can we? Welfare to the rescue! We also can’t deny him basic health coverage. Badger Care to the rescue!
If you think that any of this is not going to happen and is just a “Glenn Beck Rant” (who I despise btw) you’re delusional.
It’s not a rant, it’s the truth. What’s my solution? Since I already said I don’t know but you apparently didn’t read or comprehend that here’s what I’d do. No welfare, no assistance, nothing. Do your 15 years and then try to make the best of your life when you get out. Sound harsh? Then move, go to California or Arizona or Florida where living on the street won’t be so bad or perhaps you’d be able to start over.
Of course, there is the question of the victims choosing to perform gay sex acts rather than have pictures of their weiners spread around school which makes very little sense. There’s probably a lot more to it, but since the 15 years in a cage satisfies everyones primal need for revenge I guess we can stop talking about it now.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on February 25, 2010 at 0934 hrs
“Stancl is a sick deviant who will come out of jail no better or worse than when he went in”
Stancl will probably not come out of jail. He will actually be lucky to last more than a year. Considering what he is going in for, he will immediately be a sex toy for whoever gets to him first. This in addition to the fact that men who do this sort of thing to kids are despised, even in prison.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on February 25, 2010 at 1000 hrs
Flute’s comment hit the nail on the head, it’s very unlikely that this kid will survive prison. Highly publicized homosexual child sexual assaults? I’ve worked in prisons. He’s a dead man. Might not be a big enough story to make the news when he’s murdered, but if you follow him closely I’d be willing to bet that he doesn’t make it to year two.
I think the important thing to take away from this insane case is reinforcement of just how vulnerable young people continue to be. It’s easy to lose sight of that as they start to more and more resemble little adults, but teenagers are still dumb as hell and still incredibly easy to manipulate. If anything, they’ve become even more vulnerable as our entire culture devolves into a trivial, childish mess. So even if you’re very impressed with your own exceptional, mature, responsible kid, don’t forget that he or she is still a kid, and still needs a lot of protection and guidance.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on February 25, 2010 at 1106 hrs
This sends a strong message to adults and teenagers that new technology doesn"t change the need for basic human decency.
and
So even if you’re very impressed with your own exceptional, mature, responsible kid, don’t forget that he or she is still a kid, and still needs a lot of protection and guidance.
Two exceptional statements.
Griping about taxpayer cost for the prison sentence is like asking a bouncer to stand at the door of your bar for free.
Actions = consequences. He knew it was wrong, he knew the punishment, he did it anyway.
Ted: Would I agree with a prison sentence if he was 17? Heck, yes. This wasn’t playful Facebook rhetoric. This went beyond the internet into the physical. Do I feel sorry for him? Yes, I am not without compassion. Who knows his background, his baggage, or his mental health? I hope he is able to overcome, survive, and be productive. Moving on, though, to the victims, which there has been little mention of. The actions of one has forever negative impacted the lives of many. Just compensation is appropriate and, when you get right down to it, fair, though “fair” is a pretty bittersweet word choice…...
Posted by GAMazy on February 25, 2010 at 1216 hrs
Still waiting to hear what an appropriate sentence is.
I never said the sentence was inappropriate. I just alluded to the fact that it is unfortunate (for him). I’ve made no opinion about whether he deserved it, whether it is long enough or too short. Only that it will effectively end his life.
Why must you try to read more into my comments? Looking for a fight?
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on February 25, 2010 at 1233 hrs
I never said the sentence was inappropriate. I just alluded to the fact that it is unfortunate (for him).
C’mon.
Yeah, 15 years in prison is just the medicine for a teenage sociopath. Go with that, Steve.
How else is anyone supposed to interpret this?
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on February 25, 2010 at 1633 hrs
Without excusing Stancl’s behavior (it’s hardly decent), what does it say about these kids and how they were raised that they would rather perform sex acts with this guy than be embarrassed? Because that’s what it amounts to.
As best we know, Stancl didn’t threaten to hurt them, damage their property, boil their rabbits, kill their parents. He threatened to embarrass them. That’s it. And these kids folded like tents and capitulated to his whims?
Stancl’s a perv, but these kids are idiots. Are kids really so spineless today that they won’t stand up for themselves?
Posted by Recess Supervisor on February 25, 2010 at 1733 hrs
RS,
Agreed.
Moreover, let’s not forget that they were also attempting to obtain naked pictures of girls they thought were under 18.
In my opinion they should be prosecuted for attemting to obtain child porn.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on February 25, 2010 at 1841 hrs
RS, we have our (somewhat) rare agreement. If there were a prison for morons, I’d want them there. They just learned a really difficult lesson
Posted by Steve on February 25, 2010 at 2126 hrs
A narcissistic manipulative child? Sounds like our President; can he get 15 years, too?
/snark
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