Recall Petitions Filed
Organizers of the effort to recall Gov. Scott Walker on Tuesday filed more than a million signatures with the GovernmentAccountability Board, nearly twice as many as needed to trigger another election for the embattled leader.
I find it very difficult to believe that 20% of the State’s population and approximately 40% of those of voting age signed recall petitions.
I, for one, am going to check the data base when it goes on line to make sure that my name and other reletives are not listed.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on January 17, 2012 at 1644 hrs
I hope we can count on some conservative postal workers to look at the data base. They know streets and addresses and are in a good position to find some of the fraud.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on January 17, 2012 at 1714 hrs
Hmmm, looks like my source was right with the 1,000,000 number. It was interesting that Gov Walker was on Sykes and Limbaugh today and said they had 720,000…he obviously had bad sources in the Dem party, lol. If they do have a million, Walker is as good as gone and it won’t be that close. That many signatures also guarantees that the top tier guy in Barrett is in and even Kohl will give it more consideration. There’s no denying it, that is a gigantic number and they did something the Republicans would never be able to accomplish.
If they had only gotten around 700,000, I think Walker would have been the favorite and Barrett stays out.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on January 17, 2012 at 1721 hrs
Let’s count em up. The real question is how many are fakes or duplicates.
I’ll say that 60-days from now they have 632,000 valid signatures.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on January 17, 2012 at 1822 hrs
I’m with Steve - they’ll make the threshold but the certified total will be far less than a million.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on January 17, 2012 at 1833 hrs
I like that there are only two “reasons” for a signature being discounted, according to Steve.
In my signature gathering experiences, “fakes or duplicates” are far less likely on a petition. Instead, problems usually arise because a person forgot to sign or the circulator didn’t sign or the address/name/etc… are illegible.
But who am I kidding, every signature that’s discounted will be met with cries of fraud! lies! throw all the signatures out!!!!!!
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on January 17, 2012 at 1849 hrs
Hey VA…the rules are the rules. Unless you’re a liberal jackass, then you can do what you want, right?
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on January 17, 2012 at 1949 hrs
If they had only gotten around 700,000, I think Walker would have been the favorite and Barrett stays out.
Wait until the certified count comes out. it may be less than 7K
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on January 17, 2012 at 1951 hrs
It may be less than 7K:-)
something went wrong with the smileys…
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on January 17, 2012 at 1953 hrs
Sure GMan, that’s right unless you’re a conservative jackass…and they seem to be the ones in power….for now.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on January 17, 2012 at 1954 hrs
GMan, did you read what I posted? There will likely be fakes and duplicates that should be thrown out. More likely, however, is that signatures will be thrown out for the other reasons I stated.
Most likely is that you will complain that every signature that is thrown out, for whatever reason, is the result of fraud or lying or ACORN or Obama or liberal jackasses or something.
Not sure why you’re so angry, but you should probably get over it.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on January 17, 2012 at 2017 hrs
Just heard tonight from the same Dem source that said a million would be the total that Feingold is now reconsidering running vs Walker. I guess 1,000,000 signatures and a near-guaranteed win will do that. If he gets in, there will be no primary…everyone else will go away quietly.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on January 17, 2012 at 2055 hrs
Does anyone know of another instance of a candidate in a major election getting 45% of the signatures disqualified - especially when there are this many signatures? Fraud is a lot easier to perpetrate when the threshold is lower.
Walker would look stronger politically if he just embraced the recall head on. Tilting hopelessly after Mickey Mouse and Adolf Hitler windmills doesn’t portray strength or confidence.
Posted by Recess Supervisor on January 17, 2012 at 2101 hrs
Uhh Greg,
That is still less than Walker received in the election (without throwing out any signatures). So now we have a minority overturning the majorities vote.
Just because it was a lot of signatures does not equate a win in a recall election.
Tad
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on January 17, 2012 at 2110 hrs
Tad is exactly right. The number of recall sigs is less than the number of votes Barrett got in the election against Walker last year. It hardly portends a sure win for the Democrats, and most certainly not for their best effort to date, the loser in November 2010, Tom Barrett.
I just came from the petition review training in West Bend this afternoon, and it appears there are more than enough Republicans available and willing to spend as much of their lives as it takes in five days starting this Sunday to get the job done. Even as we speak (or read in this case), the herculean task of creating a database of all the names, addresses and dates on the scanned petitions is ongoing by a virtual army of people at GOP headquarters. Plan on many challenges to the signatures, thanks to the grass roots efforts of real Americans, who will review each and every name and address on the paper documents, looking for errors that can be challenged. These are our neighbors; these are people who are living the ideals of the Tea Party Movement.
The looters will not win. This is what a Republic looks like!
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on January 17, 2012 at 2139 hrs
Nice job Duke, you turned reviewing sheets of paper into a counter-revolutionary task. Oh, and nice dig at people who sign the petitions as not being “real Americans.”
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on January 17, 2012 at 2143 hrs
I just hope that the WI GOP now tries a recall in any election they lose. When it comes down to it, this is just being a sore loser and wanting a do-over. But I’m doubtful the Republicans have enough of a spine to fight fire with fire. Walker has been wasting tons of money trying to build up his positives and the numbers have not moved a single point. If he wants any chance at all to win, he has to go hard negative on the Dems and just flat out make them more unpopular than he is. But he doesn’t have the stomach for a fight. At the end of the day, he’s too nice and decent of a man to get down and dirty.
BTW, from what I was told, Barrett is in. He’ll only back out if Kohl or Feingold pull the trigger. And if the election was held today, Barrett wins by about 2-3%.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on January 17, 2012 at 2216 hrs
“Barrett wins by about 2-3%.”
Same thing I heard in 2010.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on January 17, 2012 at 2232 hrs
Look, Walker can be beaten in an election. But again let’s not get too worked up about a bunch of petitions.
Again, a ton of these signatures are going to get tossed.
Then you’ve got a bunch of people who probably signed but aren’t going to vote or vote against Walker. Let me explain a situation in my own family. I’ve got a relative up north who is a young public school teacher. She’s on her Facebook every day this past year bemoaning her life under Hitler Walker. I know a bunch of people in the extended family who signed her petition simply because they didn’t want to offend her and cause a family spat.
But in the privacy of the voting booth, these folks are going to vote their self interest as taxpayers, just as my relative is going to vote her self interest as a State employee.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on January 17, 2012 at 2248 hrs
There is an old saying that goes ‘if you want 100 people at your party, invite 200’. The dems know this. My guess is that they lose 20% of the signatures.
The unions have gone all in on this. There is no plan B. There isn’t even a complete plan A. As a union member I find this appalling. As a former union leader I have to say this is equivalent to a death sentence.
As a private citizen, and an independent voter for years, nothing has changed my opinion more than the behaviour of the dems since, well since the doyle administration. Particularly their blatant disregard of the political process, which, if you remember, is debate and compromise.
No matter how this recall stuff works out, I think the democrats have a self inflicted wound that they won’t recover from.Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on January 18, 2012 at 0642 hrs
All I can speak for is myself and most of the people I know. I RECALL how I voted in the general election and will vote the same way in this next one. What a waste of taxpayer dollars. The recall process should be about real reasons such as malfeasance or crime, not about political disagreement. I lived 8 years with Doyle sticking it up my patootie and never once considered recall. I just voted my conscience in the next election. I wasn’t happy when my side lost, but I didn’t toot horns, bang drums and play games with elections. Make no mistake, a recall, while perfectly legal, isn’t the right course of action in my opinion. Wait until the next general election like the rest of us have been doing for years. I think folks on the other side might be a little surprised at the number of people who feel like I do.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on January 18, 2012 at 0716 hrs
I’m going to preface this by saying that I have no doubt there are enough valid signatures to force a recall.
However, this idea that Republicans are tilting at windmills looking for Mickey Mouses and Adolf Hitler signatures is silly. The verification process, whatever it turns up, is an important task. We all saw the websites that encouraged people to sign more than once. We saw the initial GAB ruling that they would not be throwing out the Mickey and Adolf signatures. There is very real concern that the GAB is in the Dems pockets, and may not put their heart into the court ordered verification they are now required to do. Doesn’t someoe need to ensure the process is clean? The side collecting signatures has to be held to account for their signatures. Otherwise, every recall petition process from now to the end of time in this state will be polluted with phony signatures because they know no one is going to thoroughly examine them. Regardless of the people involved I want a clean process, and I think the vast majority of people in this State do to. What the Republicans are doing, at their own expense I might add, adds a level of verification that helps ensure the process is legit.
I also find it very interesting that Mike Tate is out there saying that they have so many signatures, that the Republicans ought to not even check. That sends up a red flag for me. What is he not wanting them to find? If 200K+ signatures get thrown out because they are invalid, that in and of itself is a story. I truly believe that the average Wisconsinite is getting really tired of the antics of the left. If there are enough disqualifications, it will only add to the narative thhat they are willing to do anything to win, include submit 100’s of thousands of phoney signatures, and those people already weary of their tactics may decide that ultimately they are not going to give power back to them.
I for one am going to be very curious to see exactly how many of these signatures are valid. I tend to believe we are going to find out the number is 250k or more that are thrown out.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on January 18, 2012 at 0750 hrs
As a former union leader I have to say this is equivalent to a death sentence.
Well said, Chuck. To top it off, when Gov. Walker wins the recall election he will effectively be a Presidential candidate, since he will have won a national election right here in Wisconsin. The Obamunists - OFA, ACORN (no matter what they call themselves this week), SEIU, and all the other alphabet soup gangs - are all in with money, people (from as far away as California) and top-level consulting. Everything Obama’s got is now here in Wisconsin. To top it off, once Gov. Walker wins he will have four years (the rest of this term, and the first year of his next term) before the looters can mount another effort against him. By that time we can finish off what’s left of the looters and Obama as well.
For those who think America is divided now, I predict you ain’t seen nothin’ yet!
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on January 18, 2012 at 0754 hrs
In Ohio’s recall just a few months ago when the petitions were reviewed they determined that 27% of the signatures were invalid.
My guess is that we’ll see 30-35% signatures thrown out due to duplicates, dead people, felons, underage, non residents, etc. Still likely to exceed the threshold to force the recall but not by much.
Any other guesses as to how many are thrown out?
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on January 18, 2012 at 0905 hrs
I absolutely LOVE this. I am not a Walker supporter in general, yet I DID vote for him because I thought he was the best option at the time. I would NOT have voted for him if Feingold would have run against him. I know, kinda crazy, but whatever. I will vote for Walker again over Falk or Barrett though. Barrett is made for Milwaukee and should stay here.
1. There WILL be enough signatures. That is all that really matters, not how many are bad and get thrown out. They got their media time yesterday and that is what they wanted.
2. I hope that the Republicans DO try and recall everyone in the future. Nothing makes you look like a bigger baby than, “Well, we can do that TOO!” And if you can do it, more power to you.
3. I just wish my kid was old enough so I can show him that this is how democracy works. Regardless of who wins the recall, this is kinda historic.
4. Walker will win a recall election unless Feingold gets in. Then he is probably toast. Otherwise I think he is safe.
5. I am sick of hearing, “This is such a waste of money! Blah Blah Blah”. This is democracy at it’s best. If there is SOMETHING worth the money, it is THIS.Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on January 18, 2012 at 0932 hrs
Is hard to fathom this group had no end game. Who will you put on the podium, has nobody thought that far ahead ? Sure we went to the moon, but did we just launch people into space and hope they landed right side up an a hard object ? Its always good to have a plan an end game a goal to reach. Regardless who takes center stage what type of platform will they use?
“I promise to raise taxes and drive the state in debt in order to pay public employees more money”.”
“I promise to take more of your money and give it to other people so they can retire at 55 while you slave away until your 70”.We all know these falsified signatures will never translate into actual votes in the event of an election. My guess…. The Fed (Holder) steps in and blocks voter id . The Fed has this habit of butting into state business to promote the union agenda. The only possible chance they have is if fraud is rampant at voting time.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on January 18, 2012 at 0953 hrs
Jonny V? This is NOT ‘how democracy works’.
Democracy works by holding elections and if you lose you try to run a better campaign in the next election.You do NOT have your party members leave the state to stop legislation. You do NOT start recalls over political positions. You do NOT, in essence, deny you lost the election and try to attempt a ‘do over’ time and again until you get your way.
Hopefully, your child will grow up more informed than you.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on January 18, 2012 at 1116 hrs
@Mark the only thing I agree with you on is the losing party leaving the state. I was critical of them then and now.
But, there is a reason we have an option for recall. If the “necessary” majority (actual minority) agrees that a recall is in order, then we have the means and ability to do so. THAT is democracy. We don’t have to sit and “just take it”. We can do something about it.
So are you saying that Sheboygan should NOT have the option to recall their mayor? They should just wait until his time is up? The two have done COMPLETELY different things, but the recall analogy is the same.
We have recalls for a reason, and it is up to the people of WI to determine when to use them. And apparently enough of them feel that THIS is a legit reason.
I am PROUD that we have the option to recall. If the republicans want to recall a democrat, I will support their option too.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on January 18, 2012 at 1128 hrs
30 days - 500,000 signatures
60 days - 1,000,000 signaturesAre you telling me that 1/2 of all the recall supporters would wait 30 days to sign? No way, the 1 mil signatures was a quota before the recall even started—- get it no matter what it takes.
I’m guessing over 40% are invalid
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on January 18, 2012 at 1909 hrs
“30 days - 500,000 signatures
60 days - 1,000,000 signaturesAre you telling me that 1/2 of all the recall supporters would wait 30 days to sign? No way, the 1 mil signatures was a quota before the recall even started—- get it no matter what it takes.”
From what I was told, they lowballed that initial number. They had a ton more by the 30 day mark.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on January 18, 2012 at 1927 hrs
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