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Obama’s Pastor

Is this a big deal?

On the one hand, I don’t think it’s fair to hold any man accountable for another man’s words.  After all, Obama has not been recorded spewing such virulent hate about whites, black Republicans, and America.  Obama can’t be blamed for this moron’s filth. 

On the other hand, Obama has not disavowed or criticized his pastor’s hate.  And, it’s not just that this was one pastor at his church.  This was the pastor who married him and baptized his kids.  That’s a bit of a closer relationship.

In the end, perhaps Rachel Lucas had the best take, as usual:

But whatever. When a racemonger is on a roll, it’s best to just sit back and enjoy. Because I think the real point of this is that Obama’s mentor, the pastor who married him and baptized his children, is a flaming dickhead. Which should and does reflect extremely poorly upon Obama.

Posted by Owen at 2026 hrs
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1. What was telling to me was the comment by the woman at the end of the clip, “This is being black in America.”

   These are the same people who think McGee is denied bail for being black. They are the most racist people on the planet.

   Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on March 14, 2008 at 0630 hrs
   
   
   

2. It is a big deal because when Obama was running for State Senate in Illinois, he probably needed people like this in order to be accepted by the African-American community he was seeking to represent.  But now that he is on the national stage and trying to appeal to all races, creeds, and colors, he needs to distance himself from such people. 

   The problem, though, is the Reverend and his loyal followers probably won’t let him off so easy and will be a constant reminder of where he came from and who got him there in the first place.

   Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on March 14, 2008 at 0909 hrs
   
   
   

3. Excellent question. Is this a big deal?

   http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/29/john-hagees-mccain-endor_n_89189.html

   Hagee has called the Catholic Church the “great whore” and has made many other hate-filled comments. Will Senator McCain denounce him?

   Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on March 14, 2008 at 1503 hrs
   
   
   

4. apc:

   I think the two are different, first of all this was Obama’s minister, he spend many a Sunday listening to this man, was married by this man, etc.  John McCain only is being endorsed by Hagee.  Yes, McCain should state that he does not agree with his views.  But I do not think the two are the same.

   Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on March 14, 2008 at 1511 hrs
   
   
   

5. Rod Parsley, a man who McCain has called a “spiritual guide,” has said and written somethings that I find more offensive than what Wright has said.  He called Islam a “false religion” and has advocated war against it.

   McCain’s problem with these “agents of intolerance” (McCain’s phrase from 2000) I see as far more troublesome than Obama’s.  McCain sought out the support of Hagee and Parsley and enthusiastically embraced them.  Obama has done a good job of distancing himself from the parts of his spiritual advisor that he objects to, but McCain had no reason to seek out these nutcases other than to gain their favor.

   There is no reason to believe that Obama agrees with any of the ridiculous things Wright has said, but McCain is now politically indebted to the same “agents of intolerance” that he railed against when he was campaigning against GWB.

   Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on March 14, 2008 at 1542 hrs
   
   
   

6. John, with all due respect, that’s a mighty fine hair you’re splitting (and why does everybody always bring up the wedding? You use the pastor at your church); it simply comes down to a matter of proximity. 3rd Way makes a great point about McCain seeking out Hagee’s support. Hagee’s views have been out there for quite some time. It seems like McCain, or at least someone on his staff, would have known about this and done something to distance him from these hate-mongering views.

   What I find equally disturbing is that the so-called liberal media have been trumpeting this thing from Reverend Wright for some time now, but there’s been practically nothing about Hagee. When I Googled “hagee mccain,” I got nothing but page after page of blog entries, and nothing from the mainstream media.

   There’s a lot of talk about how Obama is being handled with kid gloves by the media, but it’s absolutely nothing compared to the constant stroking and coddling that McCain’s getting.

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7. This is yet another piece of useless information being thrown at us that takes our minds off of Iraq, the economy, competitiveness and dozens of other more important issues.

   I’m not talking about Rev. Wright or “Rev.” Hagee.

   Religion is a personal thing and should be kept this way. All it does is set people and provides no enlightenment. We should really give a crap about where a candidate at all levels goes to doesn’t go to church.

   It’s a dumb, needless distraction and points up the inability and gultlessness of the media to present meaningful issues.

   Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on March 14, 2008 at 2244 hrs
   
   
   

8. Religion is a personal thing and should be kept this way. All it does is set people and provides no enlightenment. We should really give a crap about where a candidate at all levels goes to doesn’t go to church.

   I strongly disagree, religion is not irrelevant, it can provide a window into who a person is and what they believe.  This is not a man that Obama just passed in the night, he was the pastor of his church, baptized his children, married him and preached this hate from the pulpit on Sunday. 

   I also believe that this puts some perspective on Michelle Obama’s comment that she was never proud of her country until her husband was seeking the nomination.  You do not sit in the pews on Sunday, listen to this for years and not be effected by it, or even deep down believe it.

   Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on March 15, 2008 at 0637 hrs
   
   
   

9. It can provide a window into what someone believe and in Jon McCain’s case it’s rather smeary.

   First he panders to the fundamentalists fanatics this year by claiming he’s a Baptist, while all along he has been an Episcopalian. And now he courts flim flam preachers such as Hagee who say things that are just as objectionable as Wright if not more so. Worse, Hagee has been invited to high level GOP congressional affairs. I’ll see your 9/11 attack and raise you “the whore of Babylon.”

   That said, relations with our clergy are rather complex and we’ve seen about ten minutes of Wright’s sermons, And some of the things that he has been quoted as saying have a ring of truth to them.

   A religious test in my mind has been largely for prejudiced and lazy voters.

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10. These are the same people who think McGee is denied bail for being black. They are the most racist people on the planet.

    And the same people who think the government blew up the levees in New Orleans to save the white neighborhoods. 

    There is no reason to believe that Obama agrees with any of the ridiculous things Wright has said,

    Perhaps… Perhaps not… Considering that Michelle Obama was “proud of America for the first time in her Adult life” a few weeks ago I don’t think its a giant leap of the logical though process to suspect she harbors many of the same feelings as this guy.  But surely Mr. Obama and his wife don’t share the same feelings… I’m sure… 

    The same Mr. Obama who stopped wearing a flag lapel pin.

    No… No reason to believe he would share any of these views.

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11. These are the same people who think McGee is denied bail for being black. They are the most racist people on the planet.

    Oh, and I forgot to add… The same people who as a percentage overwhelmingly believe OJ is innocent….

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