Mmmmmm…. Meat….
Fuzz Martin is off the meat and loving it.
Just a quick update on the “crazy” no meat, no fast food, no coffee diet that I am on. I am down 22 lbs. as of 3 seconds ago, and I feel tremendous. I may never go back to meat, and fast food is the LAST thing on my mind right now. I am so glad that I decided to make this crazy decision. It’s one of the best changes I’ve ever made.
I am happy to report that on Sunday, I ate 5 kinds of animals: cow, pig, deer, chicken, and lamb. As the saying goes… if God didn’t want us to eat animals, He wouldn’t have made them out of meat.
I’m with you on that one! heh heh heh And they wouldn’t taste good either!
Posted by Kate on March 27, 2007 at 1006 hrs
I love meat, too, and eat it regularly. I do wonder a lot about the demonstrated health benefits of vegetarianism, and about the environmental impact of the land use that a meat-heavy diet necessitates.
Oh, and I dig to veg for 3 months once. It wasn’t hard at all, I didn’t lose a pound, but I felt really different. I recall saying “even the very spit in my mouth is different!”
Posted by scott on March 27, 2007 at 1029 hrs
Nothing better then a big, thick, bone-in sirloin on a Weber grill preceeded by a manhatten or two while your cooking it.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on March 27, 2007 at 1034 hrs
I say a rib-eye and a vodka martini.
Posted by scott on March 27, 2007 at 1042 hrs
Porterhouse and a dark beer.
Posted by Owen on March 27, 2007 at 1052 hrs
I still refuse to buy a gas grill, I know they’re quicker but I’m a Weber man. I also cook in volumn for a multi-day period.
My personal “grandslam” is a steak, a lamb chop, and a thick pork chop. Windsor manhatten with just a slight bruise of vermouth and two cherries.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on March 27, 2007 at 1056 hrs
Fuzz is my hero.
Yes Scott, you sure do feel different on a vegetarian/vegan diet.
Now if I could stop eating chocolate for at least a day. It keeps chasing me down and cornering me in dark alleys and stuff though.
Posted by phel on March 27, 2007 at 1108 hrs
Meat! My real reason for blogging.
http://headlessblogger.blogspot.com/2007/03/my-favorite-1.html
Posted by Headless Blogger on March 27, 2007 at 1113 hrs
A gas grill is just a substitute stove. No measly Weber for me. I have the Charbroil barrel with the smokebox on the side.
The one largescale study which has been done determined that feeding young children a meatless diet constitutes neglect, as it reduces brain development.
Posted by triticale on March 27, 2007 at 1126 hrs
You all sound like card-carrying members of PETA! (People Eating Tasty Animals). Go for it!
I gave up my Charcoal Weber for a Gas Weber. I miss the charcoal, but I’m on a windy hill and couldn’t use it most of the time. I get to grill more often now, but I must admit it just isn’t the same.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on March 27, 2007 at 1135 hrs
A meat-free lifestyle is good?
Umm.. no. The best part of being a hunter is actually knowing that you were the one responsible for putting that meal on the table. We’re omnivorous, so in order to complement those veggies from the garden, one needs to add the tasty animals of the world.
To each their own… as long as they don’t try to convince me to give up my carnivorous desires.
Posted by Johnny Ringo on March 27, 2007 at 1147 hrs
feeding young children a meatless diet constitutes neglect, as it reduces brain development.
So is that why our kids isn’t learning???
Posted by phel on March 27, 2007 at 1148 hrs
feeding young children a meatless diet constitutes neglect, as it reduces brain development.
I’ve never heard this before. Consider me skeptical. Link?
And phel, a few ounces of dark chocolate is good for you. So eat up.
Posted by scott on March 27, 2007 at 1151 hrs
As far as I am concerned meat vs. meatless is still highly debatable. Red meat for all its problems still continues to be the most readily available and effective source of b vitamins.
This links discusses it. http://www.beefnutrition.org/uDocs/ACF3D4.pdf
It also mentions that kids given strict vegetarian diets for the first 6 years of their life had exhibited lower than normal cognitive development due to a lack of vitamin B-12.
But notice that this link talks about 3 ozs of beef - not 20 oz steaks.
Any way. Going all veggie can be very dangerous - just like excluding all veggies. So be careful with it. (hey look at me a moderate on something).
Also, if you are vegan and have switched to soymilk remember to take calcium supplements. Soymilk not only does not contain calcium it also contains acids that inhibit the bodies ability to absorb calcium. Because of this you need to do more than simply replace the calcium your not getting from dairy products. You need to add additional calcium to your diet. Calcium is one of those basic necessities. Studies have found that people with enough calcium in their diet can actually regenerate failing organs (livers for sure) and that having enough calcium greatly lowers the chance that any of your arteries will harden and crack. This is what causes your body to send cholesterol (which is your body’s spackle) into the arteries. This stuff is fundamental make sure you get enough.
Okay. I’m off my soap box.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on March 27, 2007 at 1236 hrs
Oh, come on. I eat meat, I enjoy meat, I have no ideological ax to grind here, no dog in this fight. But “going all veggie can be very dangerous”?? Please. Go back to Vegetarianism For Dummies. Maybe there are some things to watch out for if you go vegan, but regular old octo-lacto vegetarianism is perfectly safe and in fact is positively correlated with a number of health benefits.
And I also notice that the link is going to a beef industry web site. Not to say that they’re lying, but you can be sure they’re giving you the most slanted view they can. You should know better.
Posted by scott on March 27, 2007 at 1308 hrs
The only thing I ever had issues with were iron and wanting to eat all the damn time. Oh wait, that’s every day….
I had been vegan for most of the winter due to a health issue. I was “outed” on my blog for being vegan and conservative at the same time as though ne’er the two shall meet. But to my surprise, there were so many good side effects to going vegan. For one, my spectrum of eats increased by leaps and bounds. Secondly, I found myself more clear-headed. There are other benefits that I won’t bore y’all with. Didn’t lose a lot of weight like Fuzz did though, as predictably I eat a lot more when I’m not eating meat.
At first I found myself thinking about it all the time i.e. “wtf am I going to eat today. Oh “how do I explain this when I go to so-n-so’s for dinner”. While I lost the taste for meat, I never lost the smell… it smells good.
Posted by phel on March 27, 2007 at 1330 hrs
Scott,
Several years ago there were two kids on the special olympics swim team that I coached that suffered brain damage due to malnutrition. Their mother was trying to raise them on a vegan diet. She even went to court when child services took them away saying she had a right to feed them how she saw fit. Now their mother was a wack-job with problems above and beyond being vegan, and I’m sure that it is possible to raise a healthy child on a vegan diet, but it’s really hard. You basically need supplements to do it, and a lot of vegans (these kids’ mother for one) are anti-supplement too. I realize that’s not a stat, just an anecdote from my life, so take it for what it’s worth. Kids need fat for brain development. Additionally, it’s almost impossible to get B-12 from a vegan diet. It’s extremely difficult to get enough D or Calcium too. Kids certainly don’t need a lot of meat, but it’s so much safer to give them some meat, and a lot of milk too. Do a google search and you’ll find plenty of articles saying as much. Here’s one:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4282257.stm
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on March 27, 2007 at 1335 hrs
Fine. That’s not a lot different than what I said above: “Maybe there are some things to watch out for if you go vegan..” But I stand by the rest of it: “regular old octo-lacto vegetarianism is perfectly safe and in fact is positively correlated with a number of health benefits.”
Insinuating that being a vegetarian is dangerous is bullshit. On balance, I believe non-vegetarians are in the worse danger. (Including myself.)
Posted by scott on March 27, 2007 at 1343 hrs
I truly believe it has to do with genes and hereditary. My dad grew up on the south side, they used lard for butter since they couldn’t afford it. He worked in the stockyards and lived on sausage and all kinds of meat with bad things in it. We always ate the fat. My dad is 85 and has low cholesteral. On the other hand I have a friend who is a veg and eats very good, his cholesteral is horrible and he’s on meds. His family history is very bad in this area.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on March 27, 2007 at 1351 hrs
Of course it has a lot to do with heredity. But we don’t have to guess at the relationship between vegetarianism and health. The studies have been done already. Vegetarians have less heart disease, hypertension, obesity, diabetes, cancer, bowel disorders, gall stones, kidney stones, and osteoporosis. (Dwyer, J T. (1988) Health aspects of vegetarian diets. Am Jnl Clinical Nutrition v.48 p.712-38.)
Posted by scott on March 27, 2007 at 1357 hrs
Scott, you stated: “But ‘going all veggie can be dangerous’?? Please.” I took that to mean that you found the idea that going all veggie being dangerous was ridiculous. Did you assume that “going all veggie” meant octo-lacto vegitarianism? Even though the comment you were responding to referred to strict vegetarianism? That doesn’t sound very believable to me. It seems that one commentor said that a strict vegetarian diet can be dangerous. The you said that such a belief was ridiculous. Than I provided a link and told you a story about some kids that got brain damage from a strict vegetarian diet (vegan = strict vegetarian, no?). And then you backpedaled and said, “wait, I was talking about octo-lacto vegetarianism.” Can you ever just admit when you’re wrong Scott? It’s weak to tweak your argument after the fact when it starts to fail.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on March 27, 2007 at 1359 hrs
Sure, i admit that all the time. But only when i really am wrong. I think the best you’re going to get out of me here today is that there may have been a miscommunication hinging on “going all veg.” I think many people might have taken that to mean ‘being a vegetarian,” as opposed to ‘being vegan.’
Posted by scott on March 27, 2007 at 1412 hrs
Vegan is very different.
Vegan is no animal products. It does restrict the diet considerably.
Posted by phel on March 27, 2007 at 1415 hrs
no animal products = all veggie products. At least if you’re applying the plain meaning rule.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on March 27, 2007 at 1428 hrs
the phrase used was “all veg.” I’m not going to nit pick it further. You want to be right, fine. Be right. I stick by everything I wrote above.
Posted by scott on March 27, 2007 at 1430 hrs
Wow! First, thanks for the link, Owen. Second, I wish I could get this many comments on my site.
Here are my gory details (and a few disclaimers):
1. I still eat fish. All kinds of fish. So much fish (and other seafood) that i am really hoping i don’t get mercury poisoning. Tuna and Salmon steaks are the best, though I’ve been venturing into Tilapia and some of the other fishes that i wouldn’t normally eat.
2. I work out every single day. That could account for some of the weight loss. Of course, when I started this (as a Lenten sacrifice that I am planning to continue now well past Easter) I seldom had time to go to they gym. I still lost weight when I wasn’t working out, but I’m loosing more now.
3. I also gave up fast food. I’m sure a bunch of the weight loss has come from that alone.
4. I refuse to eat soy protein. I only eat whey protein, and I only eat whey protein that is free of artificial sweeteners. It’s delicious. (acquired taste). Two scoops a day for me.
5. I gave up coffee, too, so I’m guessing that the headaches were from the caffeine, but my little experiment is definitely not scientific.
6. I feel better than I ever have in my life. Seriously. When i work out, I don’t get winded. When I wake up the day after a hard workout, I am never sore (and I bust my ass). When I get up at 3 in the morning to do my show, I am never tired. This from a 6’0” - (now 255 lb.) guy who was a lineman in football.
7. I am not a Vegan, I don’t hate people who eat meat, and my goal is not PETA oriented - it’s Fuzz oriented.
I love a good steak just as much as the next guy, but i love myself a little more than a juicy medium-rare t-bone. I’m telling you, if you want to feel better about your health, I suggest you give it a shot. I have more confidence and drive. It is definitely a great time to be a 28-year-old bachelor.
Posted by Fuzz on March 27, 2007 at 1509 hrs
Owen, if you gave up meat, you would starve.
Fuzz, I think you rock. Does the little one still eat meat? Or did she embrace freedom from meat, too?
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on March 27, 2007 at 1528 hrs
Thanks, Wendy! Yes, I still feed the little one meat - mostly chicken. I thought it would be hard to cook her meat and eat non-meat myself, but it’s not at all. I don’t think it would be good to make her meat-free. Of course, I don’t know if loading her up with nitrates is good for her, either.
Posted by Fuzz on March 27, 2007 at 1535 hrs
“Freedom from meat?” Why!?!? Wouldn’t you be completely under the power of Big Leaf then? I believe in a diversified diet.
I ate 5 kinds of animals: cow, pig, deer, chicken, and lamb.
Posted by Owen on March 27, 2007 at 1535 hrs
Fuzz - being a 38 year old bachelor is pretty damned good, too!
Posted by scott on March 27, 2007 at 1537 hrs
I’ll skip the deer. The rest sounds good. Also love seafood: fish and shellfish.
Posted by pdigaudio on March 27, 2007 at 1546 hrs
Don’t forget about all of the kids dying of obesity, fed on a meat diet. It goes both ways. As for me, I never could understand how someone ELSE’S diet could offend a person. If that’s not the height of mental illness!
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on March 27, 2007 at 1627 hrs
I don’t see anyone here offended by anyone else’s diet.
Posted by scott on March 27, 2007 at 1659 hrs
when people hear about others going ‘veggie’ it brings out the “animal” (no pun intended) in them. It’s an odd thing to witness, and it’s a stupid thing for someone to get upset over.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on March 27, 2007 at 1810 hrs
I feel sorry for Scott! I’ve been married as long as he’s been living. How much he has missed! Hell, I am married to a lady who really knows how to shoot a gun!( really changes the way you communicate with the little “lady”). We both love a good steak, stir fry, fish, vegies,and we hunt, fish,and and garden. Just do a little bit of it all folks!
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on March 27, 2007 at 1918 hrs
Ron said it in a nutshell. I am suspect of most veggies as well as meat. That is why the pig comes from Sam, the cow from Dan, I shoot the deer, turkey, goose, squirrel, duck, and pheasant, and I catch the fish. Then the garden supplies the veggies for canning and fresh eats. I have to say that I can’t think of anything better than a 15-20yr scotch while slow bbqing a venison tenderloin with a side of self picked morels. Add to that some sliced green pepper, tomato, and cucumbers that the child just picked from the garden and I call that heaven. The only thing that would make that better is then sitting around the fire with the neighbors or family on a warm summer night watching the deer walking through wisps of fog under a full moon out back in knee high hay in the field. Peace at it’s best.
Posted by fishaddict on March 28, 2007 at 1125 hrs
Meat’s meat and a mans got to eat.
Pork the meat of peace!!
Posted by mickey on March 28, 2007 at 1143 hrs
Hey “fishaddict”! You forgot radishes, peppers, and celery with the salad of cucumber. I would have to substitute Canadian Windsor for the Scotch, though. Have spent many a night up north around a bon fire- even when it is darned cold out- the friends keep you warm! A good fire warms all but one with a cold heart! I do wish you well.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on March 28, 2007 at 1917 hrs
Does anyone know if Deer meat is high in cholesteral? My son thinks it is much less in deer meat then beef soooooo he is not eating beef, just deer meat. Thanks
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on April 13, 2007 at 1954 hrs
Generally speaking I would think venison is much lower in fat.
Posted by scott on April 13, 2007 at 1959 hrs
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