Mark Neumann Enters Senate Race
Mark Neumann announced his candidacy for U.S. Senate on Charlie Sykes’ show this morning.
Sorry Mark, but you won’t be getting my vote in the primary or the general if you make it that far. I know that I’m out of sync with some of my fellow conservatives who want to win the Senate at all costs, but the cost is too high for me.
UPDATE: For those of you who don’t remember the primary race last hear, here’s a walk down memory lane.
Neumann fabricates controversy in West Bend.
Neumann lies about being locked out of GOP convention. I was there. Video at the link.
More on that story from Deb Jordahl about Neumann busing in protesters.
Neumann supports squashing free speech, but doesn’t utter a peep about outside groups like Club for Growth running lying attack ads against his likely primary opponent.
So no… I won’t support Mark Neumann. His lying campaign tactics reveal his poor character and he has done more damage to the conservative cause through his recent actions than I can tolerate.
Sorry Mark, but you won’t be getting my vote
Wow! What substantial justification do you have for such a position?
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on August 29, 2011 at 0923 hrs
Ron - I think Owen has the same justification as me.
I hated the mudslinging Newmann did in the primary race for Governor, and it appears he is so inside-the-beltway tone deaf that he’s not heard what us conservatives said about that behavior. As soon as the Club for Growth started up on Tommy my support for Mark started to swirl down the toilet.
Believe me, we don’t need another one of THOSE in D.C. And in the case of Newmann you can add “again” to the end of that last sentence. If Newmann doesn’t get religion and quit the mudslinging it’s hello Tommy Thompson and goodbye Alfred E. “Mark” Neumann!
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on August 29, 2011 at 0931 hrs
Mark was an outright liar in his primary run last year. He lied to my face at the Republican state convention. He lied about being barred at the door at the Washington County Republican Party headquarters. He lied and smeared behind the scenes. He is a man of low character who I can’t support despite his professed conservatism.
Posted by Owen on August 29, 2011 at 0933 hrs
Wow! What substantial justification do you have for such a position?
It is the erratic and bizarre behavior, some of which Owen describes in #3, which Mr. Neumann demonstrated during the governor’s race last year. Additionally, he manufactured a controversy at the RPW convention last year, claiming that his people were barred from entering, when in fact they hadn’t even registered. It was also the middle of the night trip to a GOP office to post his signs (Owen posted a picture of it somewhere on the blog), claiming that the office refused to take his signs, when in fact he had never contacted them to ask them to place his signs.
Owen, you’re not out of sync with this conservative either—I will not vote for him.
Posted by hsgbdmama on August 29, 2011 at 0945 hrs
First, Tommy Thompson, is not conservative. Second, Mark Neumann, when he was the Representative from Wisconsin’s 1st Congressional District was extremely conservative. Third, when he gave up his seat to run against Feingold who he beat in 70 of Wisconsin’s 72 Counties, the 1st District lost the best representation that it has had for a long time including under Paul Ryan, Neumann’s successor.
I too was dismayed at the REPORTED antics of Mark Neumann as hyped in the media, who were shilling for another or two.
The mass media of Wisconsin is no more trustworthy that that of other States or those with national audiences. I do not trust all that I have heard about Neumann in the media, nor should you.
It is un-Christian to be unforgiving. Whose character is in question now?
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on August 29, 2011 at 1014 hrs
Ron,
This isn’t about the media reporting things. I was there. I watched Neumann lie to his manufactured protesters at the convention. I interviewed him afterwards when he lied to me. I spoke with the WCRP Charmian after Neumann’s antics in my county. Follow some of the links above and watch the video that I filmed.
I base my opinion on behavior that I personally observed. And while it is Christian to forgive, that doesn’t mean that forgiveness should extend to electing a politician whom I don’t trust.
Posted by Owen on August 29, 2011 at 1025 hrs
This is the way republicans lose elections. It has been prove time and time again you can not run crappy candidates and expect to win just because the are called republicans.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on August 29, 2011 at 1035 hrs
Great…another year of ads that begin with, “Hi folks”.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on August 29, 2011 at 1049 hrs
It is un-Christian to be unforgiving. Whose character is in question now?
We can forgive, but there are consequences for actions. People who embezzle, for example, are forgiven, but usually are no longer entrusted with handling other peoples’ money—that’s a consequence for the behavior. Elected officials who act inappropriately in office are often removed in one way or another, and usually do not get back in—that’s a consequence for the behavior. Neumann has shown himself—through his own actions—to not be a worthy candidate, and therefore people will not support him. That’s a consequence for his behavior.
Posted by hsgbdmama on August 29, 2011 at 1054 hrs
Election of a Democrat will be a major catastrophe, which will result if Neumann wins the primary and you and others remain firmly opposed.e t
Which will prove the adage, that Republicans are their own worst enemy.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on August 29, 2011 at 1104 hrs
I get it Ron. You would rather elect a liar because he is a Republican than abide by some other ethical standard. I don’t agree, but I get it.
Posted by Owen on August 29, 2011 at 1107 hrs
Third, when he gave up his seat to run against Feingold who he beat in 70 of Wisconsin’s 72 Counties…
What? Are you trying to tell us that Feingold won the election and only won TWO of 72 counties in the state (Milwaukee and Dane I assume)?
I wasn’t living back in WI at the time, but I find that extremely hard to believe.
Neumann doesn’t get my vote either. I’m done with rehashing old candidates by the WI GOP.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on August 29, 2011 at 1108 hrs
I used to like Mark myself, but after last year’s antics - i would be hard pressed to vote for him again. I suppose, if it came right down to it, i would vote for him in a general election - and i would probably prefer his positions to Tommy Thompson, but I would vote for Tommy in a primary.
I don’t trust Mark Neumann, and i doubt that there is much he could do to change that. His opponent would have to be pretty bad for me to vote for Mark.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on August 29, 2011 at 1108 hrs
There is a lot of Mark Neumann bashing here with little substance offered. If speaking telling a lie is enough to be eternally branded a liar, than all of us are. So where is the high ground form which you look down your noses at Mark Neumann.
Anyone preferring Tommy Thompson out of the gates over Mark Neumann, is not a conservative in any valid understanding of the term.
Mark Neuman “antics” of the past governors race are all hearsay. I have not seen the evidence to substantiate any of the derogatory claims.
Sorry, Owen, but I have not yet taken the time to read the links that you offer above. Neumann was my Congressman and he excelled in the Congress above his peers as a conservative and until I learn otherwise, I do not believe that he has fallen from his position of grace.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on August 29, 2011 at 1122 hrs
Ron, not supporting Neumann does not mean we support Thompson.
As Owen says in a couple entries later, we need new blood. That’s what we are looking for. Someone else. We have how many millions in this state, and only have TWO choices for US Senate? Really?
Posted by hsgbdmama on August 29, 2011 at 1127 hrs
There is a lot of Mark Neumann bashing here with little substance offered.
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I have not yet taken the time to read the links that you offer above.
So you opine that there is little substance to my criticisms and then refuse to read the material that supports my opinion. Faith is one thing, Ron. Blind faith is quite another.
Posted by Owen on August 29, 2011 at 1146 hrs
hsgbdmama,
An individual needs to enter the US Senate race in order to have any chance of winning. With Neumann being the only declared candidate, it goes without fear of contradiction that he is the Republican presumptive nominee at this point.
Only another declared candidate can deny Neumann the nomination. While he stands alone for election he is the man.
Owen,
Speaking of ethical standards, above I appealed to the clear teaching of Holy Scriptures regarding the necessity of a forgiving spirit, which forbids holding grudges and judging falsely. This is the Lord’s standard for all his people all the time.Owen, the only ethical standard to which you appeal in condemning Mr. Neumann, seems to be the ‘Offended Opinions of Owen’. Unless you wish to become known as the Wizard of O’s, I suggest that you gain some perspective and charitably reassess, who Mark Neumann is.
I have read the links now that you provided above, and do not find that your positions on Neumann are any different than his positions against various Republican Party of Wisconsin entities. The charge of ‘lying’ to your face and ‘liar’ are NOT substantiated by your video and the accompanying text that you wrote.
Owen, I suggest that you are guilty of the same error of which you charge Neumann, framing an issue to your own liking and advantage, without reference to a balanced view.
The Mark Neumann that I have known is of a similar character to what I have thought you to have, Owen. Now, your righteousness is looking more like that of the Pharisees, I hope better of you, Owen.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on August 29, 2011 at 1210 hrs
So you opine that there is little substance to my criticisms and then refuse to read the material that supports my opinion. Faith is one thing, Ron. Blind faith is quite another.
While you were busy bolstering your own ego with the snarky rhetoric which you wrote out of ignorance of your target, I was busy reading your earlier posts and responding based upon your so-called evidence.
Your charge of being lied to your face does not hold water by your own substantive writing and video.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on August 29, 2011 at 1231 hrs
Repentance and forgiveness go hand in hand… Neumann repents and I will forgive. But I am not holding my breathe.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on August 29, 2011 at 1351 hrs
Ron, we get it. You like Neumann. But just because you don’t like the facts doesn’t mean you get to call the person who proves them a liar.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on August 29, 2011 at 1418 hrs
Ron, Tommy! is about to announce as well.
What we are frustrated with is the lack of anyone else who has thrown their hat into the ring yet (Fitzgerald, Kanavas).
7.This is the way republicans lose elections. It has been prove time and time again you can not run crappy candidates and expect to win just because the are called republicans.
This.
Posted by hsgbdmama on August 29, 2011 at 1428 hrs
These are the choices? Newmann or Tommy? Jeez. COme on, we can do better? Who can be drafted from a list of Congressmen? County Execs / Mayors / State Senator / Entrepreneurial Business Leaders? What about the State AG? Uninspired choices like Newmann or Tommy, will lesson conservative turnout.
Posted by Purpleslog on August 29, 2011 at 1517 hrs
Ron is free to believe whatever he wants about Neumann (the Kool-Aid seems strong at his house), but certainly what Owen and others are saying about Neumann is well-established in GOP circles. Neumann went kamikaze at the end of his gubernatorial campaign and many people haven’t forgiven him for it. Regardless of a candidate’s political beliefs, lots of people are uncomfortable voting for a jackass. That’s Neumann’s problem.
Nobody’s afraid of Mark Neumann. His presence won’t deter another entry or two in this race from people who want to cater to those who wrap themselves in the conservative label.
The bigger deterrent will be the potential presence and viability of Tommy Thompson. Tommy comes into the race with a giant machine and lots of name ID, the vast majority of which is positive. Not saying some of the claims about his fiscal tendencies aren’t without merit, but he also presided during a period of record peacetime economic expansion, cut taxes, and got to mail out sales tax rebate checks to millions of people. He’s got a lot of goodwill to tap into.
No candidate gains from being a sacrificial lamb. If the general read in the next month or two is that Tommy’s got too much on his side, people are going to be awfully reluctant to get in. Like it or not, Tommy is still King. And if you’re going to take on the King, you damn well better be sure you can beat him, or your political career is shot.
Posted by Recess Supervisor on August 29, 2011 at 1541 hrs
I like Neumann’s politics a lot better than Tommy’s.
But ask yourself this question. Does Tommy Thompson lose the race next year to Tammy Baldwin? I say there is about a .005% chance he blows it. And a 99.995 chance he wins.
I’m not sure I feel that way about anyone else, including Neumann, Fitz, Kanavas, etc. All of those guys have the potential to lose to Tammy Baldwin.
So as long as Tommy publicly pledges to adopt the Tea Party platform, I’m on board.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on August 29, 2011 at 1649 hrs
Recess Supervisor,
No kool-aid in the house. Do you no the meaning of the concept of projection? I assume you do.
Sending Tommy Thompson to Washington as Wisconsin replacement for Kohl, while being an improvement, would be a lost opportunity.
We need another Ron Johnson. I am available. I am the same poster, Ron.
Posted by Iron Brigade Warrior on August 29, 2011 at 1733 hrs
Third, when he gave up his seat to run against Feingold who he beat in 70 of Wisconsin’s 72 Counties…
The 1999-2000 Wisconsin Blue Book has Feingold beating Neumann in Adams, Ashland, Bayfield, Buffalo, Columbia, Crawford, Dane, Douglas, Dunn, Eau Claire, Forest, Green, Iowa, Iron, Jackson, Kenosha, La Crosse, Lincoln, Menominee, Milwaukee, Pierce, Portage, Price, Rock, Sauk, Trempeleau, and Vernon Counties. Last time I counted, that was 27 of 72 counties.
Ronnie boy, you might want to brush up on your facts before spewing your faxed talking points.
Posted by steveegg on August 29, 2011 at 1737 hrs
RS, the end of the campaign was merely the fireball. Neumann started on the kamikaze trajectory.
Posted by steveegg on August 29, 2011 at 1741 hrs
And no, the name change won’t work either, Ron.
Posted by steveegg on August 29, 2011 at 1743 hrs
Will both of Ron’s sock puppets get to vote in the primary?
@steveegg: Giving Ron the benefit of the doubt, I think he might mean that if you took out Dane and Milwaukee counties, Neumann would have won.
Of course, one can run Ron’s distorted logic the other way. If it weren’t for Ozaukee, Washington, and Waukesha counties, Tom Barrett would be governor. Although I don’t think that means Tom Barrett won in 69 of Wisconsin’s 72 counties…
Posted by Recess Supervisor on August 29, 2011 at 1753 hrs
From my recollection of the 2010 Republican Primary, Mark Neumann did not run a single negative radio or television ad (I do remember some web ads).
Scott Walker did run a negative TV ad, saying Mark Neumann was just like Nancy Pelosi!!!
Does this make Scott Walker poor in character? The obvious answer is no, but one shouldn’t conveniently forget this fact. Nor should one hold campaigning against Neumann.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on August 29, 2011 at 1753 hrs
To the small minded detractors above whose identities I will not pinpoint:
When I began posting as a member, instead of as a guest, I did not need to divulge the connection between the two identities. So what part of being open and honest rates your abuse? I think that several somebodies flunked out of Kindergarten and Sunday School.
If this is a blogging site for swine I will take my pearls elsewhere.
I apologize for the error regarding the 1998 US Senate race. Obviously I did not check my memory against a voting record, before posting.
Further, I posted as a guest because it was easier than going through the process of logging in since I had forgotten my password. This site does nothing for enhancing the standing of the GOP. No wonder lefties call conservatives hateful people.
Posted by Iron Brigade Warrior on August 29, 2011 at 1944 hrs
Neumann and Thompson will provide a valid excuse when the GOP fails to pick up an unexpected Senate seat next fall. It’s exactly the cover you’ve been looking for.
“Well, if we’d only had a viable candidate blah blah blah…”
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on August 29, 2011 at 2022 hrs
Ron/Iron Brigade Warrior/whatever: I won’t speak for our hosts, but as I recall, they’ve made it quite clear in the past that they’re not big on people wandering around their blog with multiple identities. Nobody cares what you call yourself. Just pick one and stick with it.
And “small-minded” detractors? What, just because we’re pointing out you don’t have your facts straight? Steveegg and I don’t see eye to eye on everything, but I’d like to think we both have a certain respect for the fact that those who BS their own reality make it awfully hard for people to have reasonable discussions.
Posted by Recess Supervisor on August 29, 2011 at 2230 hrs
Without opining on any of the particular candidates, I won’t be voting for an ethically challenged candidate, nor will I be voting based on electability. The candidate will have to be right. The candidate will not have to be perfect, nor do I expect to agree with them on everyting. They will, however, have to be right on the issues I believe important. I see no point in electing someone who is wrong over someone else who is wrong.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on August 30, 2011 at 1020 hrs
I doubt if the choice will come down to Neuman vs. Baldwin but if it does who do you think will win?
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on August 30, 2011 at 1211 hrs
I don’t believe Baldwincan be elected to the US Senate and I think the Democrats would view her nomination as a chance to lose a House seat.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on August 30, 2011 at 1323 hrs
No way a Republican can win in the 2nd district, even after redistricting. The only way to make that district more competitive is to give Paul Ryan more Democrats, and a gentleman’s agreement after the 2000 census took care of that, when Tammy Baldwin took the city of Beloit and the western half of Rock County from Ryan’s 1st district in a trade that benefitted both.
The only way the GOP would have even the slightest chance is if they found someone like Scott Klug - a moderate, pro-choice Republican who stays away from social issues. And even he’d have a problem on the current and new maps as opposed to the one on which he got elected.
The price you pay to keep Paul Ryan safe, I guess.
Posted by Recess Supervisor on August 30, 2011 at 1409 hrs
I don’t think the Democrats would lose her seat, but the odds of that are better than the odds of her winning a statewide Senate election.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on August 30, 2011 at 1427 hrs
Don’t forget: Hello Neumann = Hello ethanol.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on September 07, 2011 at 0912 hrs
Also don’t forget: Hello Neumann = Hello support for green/environmental requirements
Posted by hsgbdmama on September 07, 2011 at 1402 hrs
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