Late Obama
Hat tip Prosqtor’s Progress.
Hey cut the guy a break. He was probably outside having a smoke.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on October 29, 2008 at 2235 hrs
Really? So the fact that he’s polite and apologizes for being late, or that he had to step out, as is the case with about all congressional or legislative committee members at any hearing at the state or federal level, including the chair themselves at times, is an issue? Is this an honest criticism?
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on October 30, 2008 at 0037 hrs
It’s an honest criticism. Since Day 1 of arriving in the Senate, Obama began running for President. Which makes me wonder how much he really cared about being a Senator, as his eye was always on the White House. Add this to his votes of “present” 130 times in the Illinois State Senate, and you see a pattern.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on October 30, 2008 at 0857 hrs
as is the case with about all congressional or legislative committee members at any hearing at the state or federal level
all committee members at any hearing are late? hyperbole much?
I agree with Mr.PP. Obama is just like Hillary. He’s trying to manager his own political career first, and legislate second.
Legislation is just a tool that people like Obama and Hillary use to advance themselves in the political arena. I’m sure that every candidate has their self-interest in mind when they make decisions, but as a matter of priority and importance, I don’t know if I’ve ever seen 2 people more focused on their advancement than their job before.
I know this doesn’t matter to anyone voting for Obama. His color alone has earned him the vote and motivation to vote of millions. Others have a savior that has used the promise of legislation (as their usual tool) to “bribe” their way to votes and they believe he’s going to make life better or easier for them. And for the rest they’d vote for any democrat and Obama is just the current avenue to take them to the ends that they wish for (more socialism). They could care less about who he is, who is friends were, what he believed before he was annointed and became mainstream in 2004 when he came to the senate and got to speak at the DNC.
Thats why nothing sticks to guys like Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. Because liberals are ALL about the ends justifying the means. As such they’ll cut their candidate miles of slack because at the end of the day, they will move us fastest towards socialism. When a liberal politician compromises themselves, conservatives go up in arms and liberals look the other way. Its not like that for a conservative.
Things stick to conservatives because conservative voters care about character. They care about principle. So when a conservative politician compromises themselves, liberals are up in arms, but SO are conservatives and thats why things stick to conservatives and not to liberals.
If McCain had toasted a man associated with the PLO he’d be run off the continent.
If McCain had the associations with the shady characters B.O. has he’d be out the door long ago.
But nothings sticks to liberals when it comes right down to it because at the end of a day, its an ends justifies the means situation. They’ll let anything slide if necessary to get to their desired result.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on October 30, 2008 at 0946 hrs
all committee members at any hearing are late? hyperbole much?
No hyperbole at all. Its even jokingly refered to as “legislative time.” Legislators and Congressional Members are often scheduled back to back to back. They step out of hearings to go to another hearing and give testimony on a bill they have in a different committee. They step out to talk to constiuents, lobbyists, other legislators. They arrive late because they were speaking at a breakfast or a lunch. Anyone who has ever been to a hearing, or watched one on CSPAN or Wisconisn Eye knows that this is how legislative bodies operate. In fact it is not uncommon for a committee chair to be the only committee member in the room during portions of hearings and other members come and go.
If Obama didn’t offer a polite apology in these instances, and simply went into his questions or comments this video would not exist. This is simply taking advantage of the fact that the public isn’t familiar with the internal mechanics of these bodies.
Owen knows better.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on October 30, 2008 at 1036 hrs
This is simply taking advantage of the fact that the public isn’t familiar with the internal mechanics of these bodies.
I’m not familiar with legislative committee meetings (I’ll admit) I don’t have cable so I don’t get C-span or Wisconsin Eye.
But it was the “all” and “any” that seemed like an exageration. But if its not, its not. I wouldn’t know.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on October 30, 2008 at 1114 hrs
So the fact that he’s polite and apologizes for being late
So you think it’s okay as long as you’re polite about it? I’m not buying the back-to-back scheduling bs - Congress may not know how to run a budget, but if there are scheduling conflicts, and one notifies the committee about it, does one apologize for joining the meeting when one can? Even Congress would understand that.
There’s more to the story, and you know it or you’d just admit that the guy has a problem.
Posted by tee bee on October 30, 2008 at 1218 hrs
So you think it’s okay as long as you’re polite about it?
I’m not making a judgement on whether it is good or bad that the way a committee meeting works in a legislative body is that the people that are supposedly being testified in front of aren’t always in the room or that they often arrive late. On the one hand it is F’d up, since this is supposedly the time for the public and experts to provide information to the decision makers. On the other hand it is a fact of life in these bodies, and is beyond common practice, it is often viewed as a necessity.
I referenced Obama’s apologies because in offering his apology he brought attention to the time he was out of the room. If instead of making this polite gesture and aknowledgement and he just sat down and went into his questions or comments this little compliation video would’ve never been produced.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on October 30, 2008 at 1234 hrs
This is so obviously racist.
Are you not aware of the fact you can not discuss Obama’s performance in the US Senate, IL State Senate, his college years, his associations with individuals, his attendance at a race-bating church or his work with notorious organizations like Acorn.
Stick to the real issues! Like how everyone is miserable and needs the government to put them on the dole so they can afford snacks for their kids!
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on October 30, 2008 at 1350 hrs
This is so pathetic, grown conservatives harping on minutiae of this magnitude. Nothing better to spend your time whinging about?
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on October 30, 2008 at 1521 hrs
4 of the 10 comments are from liberals. Sounds like your side is doing some harping, too.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on October 30, 2008 at 1543 hrs
If calling BS is the same as harping, you’re absolutely right, Wendy.
It’s just that we learned our lesson. We’re no longer just going to roll over and play dead every time some ridiculous, asinine thing is brought up to make our candidates look bad. We’ve started calling BS, that’s all.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on October 30, 2008 at 1602 hrs
LOL. Have any of you clowns ever actually been to a U.S. Senate Committee hearing?
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on October 30, 2008 at 1725 hrs
Fraley said,
Are you not aware of the fact you can not discuss Obama’s performance in the US Senate, IL State Senate,
It’s been discussed. Just like McCain’s time in the U.S. Senate.
his college years, his associations with individuals, his attendance at a race-bating church or his work with notorious organizations like Acorn.
Here’s the thing Fraley…nobody cares. Or at least fewer people than you wish care.
Look I know your brain and your party work on the premise of “you’re either with us or against us”, and every now and then that sells. It certainly sold after 9/11. But the fact was we had a President and a Congress that were incompetent in implementing it. It is (thankfully, since I don’t agree with it) out of favor. People have come to the realization that we cannot and do not want to take on all comers. Maybe talking and being deliberative and yes intellectual will work.
That’s big trouble for your candidate because he picked a running mate who talks a lot like Bush and has shown herself to be even less intelligent and likely more incompetent than even he. And spare me the “most popular” crap - as I’ve said and you’re too cowardly to address, it’s real easy to be popular when you raise taxes on a lucrative and unpopular revenue source and mail out checks.
That is why too few people give a rip about Ayers or Wright or the PLO guy in the LA times video. I don’t care. Nobody I know cares. You’ve already used up the one issue anybody remotely cared about - teh gehz coming to get your family. They care about the economy, and your guy never had any interest nor any plan for the economy. All he has now is a talking point that had to be supplied by his opponent.
Look Fraley you and most other right-wingers on this site didn’t even like your candidate two months ago, and your dislike will return in a few short days. When you don’t like you candidate and don’t have a reason for him to be elected, you turn to these arguments. The polls have shown definitively they don’t work, in fact they are harmful to your party’s efforts. You could figure that out and get on with life, or you could do what you’re doing now, which is to shout at the rain about how nobody will listen to you.
The choice is entirely yours.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on October 30, 2008 at 2030 hrs
Maybe he has a valid excuse on why he is late. If Obama was not running for president, would anyone care for him being late? What matters for me is what he can do for our country.
Posted by Blue Home Accessories on October 30, 2008 at 2151 hrs
This is so pathetic, grown conservatives harping on minutiae of this magnitude. Nothing better to spend your time whinging about?
I agree… Lets talk about Sarah Palin’s wardrobe instead!!!!
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on October 30, 2008 at 2317 hrs
Palin’s shopping spree is just as big of a non-issue to me. But her running mate, who decided a decade or more ago that money spent by campaigns on clothing and food was of critical national importance, might disagree.
Don’t blame us for the hub bub on that, I don’t give a rat’s ass. She just happens to be running with someone who thinks it is a big deal.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on October 31, 2008 at 0212 hrs
“What matters for me is what he can do for our country.”
Umm…didn’t someone once say that you should ask what YOU can do for your country?
His name escapes me now…John F…something or other.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on October 31, 2008 at 0951 hrs
“What matters for me is what he can do for our country.”
And by that I’m sure you mean what he can do for you?
If you wait around for government to bring you a better live you’re screwed.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on October 31, 2008 at 0954 hrs
Yeah, John F. Kennedy.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on October 31, 2008 at 1456 hrs
xxpilot on October 30, 2008 at 0946 hrs
I think that Hillary has a reputation of being a very hard worker, showing up for her job, and being extremely well prepared. Particulary on her Armed Services Committee. She is well respected.Obama, on the other hand, never intended to do the job and never did it. Obama wasn’t just late, he missed major protions of the hearings,
Obama did what people do in business often, show that they re better than everyone else by not sitting through their presentations, but having everyone sit through theirs.
As the newest senator, I think Obama was always supposed to go last. He probably did like that, and made sure he showed up when it was his turn. I wonder what else he had to do though.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 03, 2008 at 0049 hrs
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