Holloway Set to Abuse Power
What a piece of crap.
Milwaukee County Board Chairman Lee Holloway is itching to bust out.
In what he’s calling his last hurrah in public life, Holloway, 64, is poised to launch an ambitious agenda for at least a short-term ride as county executive, a job he’ll hold starting Tuesday for at least a month and perhaps for three.
Capping his 18 years on the board, the last eight of them as chairman, Holloway hopes to settle long-festering union contracts, put in place a comprehensive mental health reform plan and implement what could be a wholesale county leadership purge.
He’s told county department heads appointed by County Executive and Governor-elect Scott Walker they’ll have to apply for their jobs if they hope to stay and has warned he may fire them - especially if he thinks they’ve disrespected him or the County Board.
Holloway, who takes over as executive as Walker moves on to the governor’s office, said he would name a transition team of about 25 civic and community leaders to coincide with his swearing in as acting county executive. He promises his stint as executive will be eventful.
Bear in mind that Holloway won’t be elected to the position. He’s a caretaker until an election can be held. In fact, the majority of the citizens of Milwaukee County elected someone into that position who is diametrically opposed to many of Holloway’s ideas for governance.
Yet… it won’t matter. Holloway doesn’t give a crap about any of that. He has his few months in a position for which he could never be elected and he will abuse it as much as possible. BOHICA, Milwaukee County residents. The slum lord cometh.
From Machiavelli to Pelosi, the lesson is clear—when you have power, use it, and use it for as long as you have it.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on December 26, 2010 at 2336 hrs
Meh, we are merely swapping one slum lord for another.
But where does it say he is going to abuse his power? Is he stating that he is going to ignore state or federal laws in order to make a political posture? Is he making some power grab where he is denying the Board their rights and authority as the legislative branch of government? Is he going to endanger public safety and ruin the economy just to promote an unhinged political ideology?
Methinks your outrage is just way too selective here, old boy.
Posted by capper on December 26, 2010 at 2347 hrs
Capper - so blinded by his hate for Walker that he can’t see the forest for the trees.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on December 27, 2010 at 0737 hrs
Hmmm, did Capper (Chris Liebenthal - Milwaukee county employee) just call Lee Holloway a slum lord? Better watch it Capper, Lee doesn’t like to be called names. You could find your fat ass on the chopping block too.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on December 27, 2010 at 0855 hrs
Does anybody else remember when Robinson promised a higher level of discourse for his blog? Any idea what happened to that?
It really smells like RDW in here most days.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on December 27, 2010 at 0921 hrs
Since we are talking about Holloway - I thought the level of discourse was much higher than it needed to be.
He has no clue that he is supposed to be in a caretaker role until the public ELECTS a new official. If Mr. Holloway can get elected county exec on his agenda of massively growing county government - then he should feel free to assume that he has a mandate to do just that. Until then - he really needs a reality check.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on December 27, 2010 at 1032 hrs
Yeah, Bill nails it in the post above.
Never before in history has a one month interim person gone to the media and set forth a Stalin-esque five year plan.
Earth to Lee….use the pay raise money for the next month to fix the broken things in your apartments or pay back the SDC for that bogus property deal.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on December 27, 2010 at 1055 hrs
Holloway is no different than any other “3rd world” thug that gets into a position of power. He’s a scofflaw, and has shown arrogant indifference to the law when it pertains to himself. He’s there for one reason, and no reason only and that’s to enrich himself at the public’s expense. Public service is the last thing on this guy’s mind, as his past actions have made crystal clear.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on December 27, 2010 at 1121 hrs
You should have thought of that before you elected Walker governor…elections have consequences.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on December 27, 2010 at 1153 hrs
elections have consequences…
Holloway wasn’t elected…
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on December 27, 2010 at 1155 hrs
So Joe Mama, you’re condoning poor leadership on Holloway’s part because the people of the state chose Scott Walker as their next Governor? You Liberals sure have been showing what you’re truly made of in the past few years, which is incidentally “why” the people are so disgusted with Democrats in general, and progressives Liberals in particular. Are you saying the people “deserve” to be ill served by Holloway because of their choice?
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on December 27, 2010 at 1411 hrs
Hmmmm. Holloway’s a slumlord but Scottie’s buddy Orville isn’t? Get the sheets out boys!
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on December 27, 2010 at 2215 hrs
I’ve no clue who “Orville” is, but isn’t it quite a different thing to be an acquaintance of a slumlord as opposed to actually being a slum lord?
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on December 27, 2010 at 2230 hrs
Given O’Donnell Park and the mental health complex, Walker can have the title of slumlord as well.
Posted by capper on December 28, 2010 at 0103 hrs
Wow…Great to see the discussion. Thanks
Posted by Excel Consultants on December 28, 2010 at 0922 hrs
Yow… that’s twice you’ve been disrespecting the new nearly almost but not quite elected slumlord County Executive. He doesn’t stand for that you know.
I hope you have a pen handy for that resignation letter…. just in case.
Well, at least it’s not the case that Holloway’s tenants were mentally ill… er, oh wait, I guess they are… well, it’s ok for him to do that because he’s liberal, right capper?
I’m sure Lee won’t treat his new public home for the mentally ill the way he does his own properties… right?
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on December 28, 2010 at 0936 hrs
I don’t know capper. The whole idea of comparing an elected official who is trying to listen to the people who elected him and cut down the public bills because we really will run out of money if we don’t and another elected official’s private business where he is breaking the law for profit at the expense of the disadvantaged just seems a bit too out there for me.
And for a liberal to be doing the comparison…well, disingeuous does not seem a strong enough term. Aren’t you supposed to be for the poor and improved quality of life for all, blah, blah, blah? Or does that only count if the public pays for it? Do you care about ‘the people’ at all or just about Democrats, or just about yourself as a public employee?Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on December 28, 2010 at 1306 hrs
I wish the MJS and the Mayor of Milwaukee would show some concern and understanding for the people who are tenants in Hallway’s properties.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on December 28, 2010 at 1408 hrs
another elected official’s private business where he is breaking the law for profit at the expense of the disadvantaged just seems a bit too out there for me.
What law is he breaking?
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on December 28, 2010 at 1413 hrs
Given O’Donnell Park and the mental health complex, Walker can have the title of slumlord as well.
O’Donnell Park collapse was a design/construction flaw from when Dave Schultz was leader of Parks Department & later went on to be County Exec. Remember him? I do - Guy represented “Big Government” at it’s worst - I think he was a Democrat and weighed 450+ pounds. He died at the age of 58.
Save your crap for your typical reader of your blog - there are too many people here who are smarter than you, obviously.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on December 28, 2010 at 1443 hrs
What law is he breaking?
City records indicate that the veteran county pol and his wife have more than 150 open building code violations at nine Milwaukee properties. The infractions range from broken doors and defective fire alarms to improper storage of combustible material and roach infestation.
Maybe you will try the ‘building code violations are not law violations’? It is public record. For breaking (and not fixing)so many codes he gets his very own inspector.
Somehow, I am not surprised LSTW is on the Holloway band wagon. Apparaently it does not take a goos person to save the world, it just takes a liberal.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on December 28, 2010 at 1639 hrs
goos person? Sorry, Good person.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on December 28, 2010 at 1641 hrs
Tuerqas,
The problem is that Walker didn’t listen to the people or cut down the bills. Taxes still went up and that’s not including the 700 million dollars that he kicked down the road for the next county executive to deal with.
And I am opposed to mentally ill women being raped or teenage boys being crushed to death.
And did not Walker enjoy profit, in the form of campaign donations, by exploiting the poor? Except in being forthright with his dirtiness, like Holloway does, Walker was even slimier, as unbelievable that is.
I also notice no one has even mentioned the Walker operatives caught politicking on county dime. If Holloway did that, there’s be blood-curdling screams from you all.
Posted by capper on December 28, 2010 at 2242 hrs
“I also notice no one has even mentioned the Walker operatives caught politicking on county dime. If Holloway did that, there’s be blood-curdling screams from you all”.
Weren’t you yourself guilty of this, and wasn’t that person on Walker’s staff fired? How is it you’re still on the county payroll capper? Oh! that’s right, you’re a flippin Liberal working for Liberals who believe you’re not to be held to the same standard.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on December 29, 2010 at 0123 hrs
Scott(I-C)
You’re proving my point, y’know.
The DA’s office said I didn’t do what CRG falsely accused me of.
Wink quit, she wasn’t fired. And she wasn’t the only Walker staffer doing this apparently. Yet hardly anyone has even mentioned it.But you keep right on with your hypocritical selective outrage.
Posted by capper on December 29, 2010 at 0211 hrs
Capper,
How many of his budgets were passed?
I am opposed to mentally ill women being raped and boys being crushed too, but I just think you are an idiotologue for blaming Scott Walker for it.And no, a sad truth is that every single politician ‘profits’ by campaign donations, that does not set him apart. Only a person like you is somehow connecting his and only his (or since it is you, just any Republican) campaign donations to ‘exploiting the poor’. What a bunch of crap.
Only a liberal gets away with ‘forthright dirtiness’. A Republican would be out of office and/or in jail for what Holloway has been not doing for decades. Liberals use hypocrisy like perfume. If they didn’t, they wouldn’t be able to stand the smell of themselves as they talk about others.
Now I think virtually all politicians are hypocrites and liars, but the average liberal drinks the Democratic kool-aid and seems to believe all of the worst things about every Republican and believe nothing bad about any Democrat. Or worse yet, believe it, but defend him anyway, somehow glorifying his ditrtiness.
Examples?: LSTW: What law did he break? Like he has never heard of this guy. Slumlord is just the tip of this guy’s iceberg. Capper: Holloway is forthright in his dirtiness. WOW! Yeah, Holloway came forward and told the press who knew nothing about it, that he had hundreds of code violations in his rental properties. Fortunately, that was all he has done along with the fake property he sold to Milwaukee a decade+ ago and never paid back, otherwise he is clean and forthright.
You are just so full of crap it is hard to imagine you actually believe the stupidity you write. I would actually prefer to think of you as a troll than to think you believe this shit. There is a Democratic run board, a Democratic Mayor, a Democratic Governor, and you blame Walker personally for killing a young man because of a building collapse that was built before he was ever in office…Just, wow!
There are still many Republican idiotologues as well, but even the worst will ususally be willing to throw the worst Republican under the bus and admit he is a slimebag that should be in jail not in office. Who is the last Democrat you would do that to?
NOTE: I am aware that idiotologue is not really a word, it just seemed to catch the dual concepts so well, if you follow me.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on December 29, 2010 at 0909 hrs
Somehow, I am not surprised LSTW is on the Holloway band wagon. Apparaently it does not take a goos person to save the world, it just takes a liberal.
Wow, so if I don’t know the answer to a question, I am not supposed to ask it? Could you give the partisan bs a rest and maybe consider that I didn’t know?
And I thought liberals were supposed to be arrogant.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on December 29, 2010 at 1006 hrs
Liberals use hypocrisy like perfume.
Really? Like capper who was accused of something, convicted by conservatives on this blog and other conservative blogs before there was a full investigation (see comment #24 on this thread)?
And then when he was proved innocent, not a peep from conservatives who got it wrong.
And not to mention the walker staffers who are accused of something similar and not a mention here or other conservative blogs.
And you want to call other people “idiotologue”?
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on December 29, 2010 at 1019 hrs
Capper was not proven innocent. The DAs office did not wish to bother to waste taxpayer dollars prosecuting him when heart disease will take care of him in next next few years.
There was no letter from the DAs office stating he was innocent, but there was a letter indicating evidence of blogging activity. Any subsequent conversations and claims from Capper, Folkbum, or the ambulance chaser are hearsay, and not fact.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on December 29, 2010 at 1031 hrs
Not being charged is hardly the same as being proven innocent.
The question is whether or not capper accessed private blogs (his own or others)during his work hours or used county resources (to include his office space and county computer) in any fashion to post political content or comment. Certainly capper could unequivocally announce that he never, ever did such a thing, not even once… but I doubt that too many folks would believe him.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on December 29, 2010 at 1242 hrs
Wow, so if I don’t know the answer to a question, I am not supposed to ask it? Could you give the partisan bs a rest and maybe consider that I didn’t know?
And I thought liberals were supposed to be arrogant.
LSTW,
You have never heard of Lee Holloway before he was appointed the County Exec in place of Walker? O-o-o-o-kay. I apologize for assuming that you had heard of him before, but really, stay off the political blogs if you have never even heard of the players.As for your next comment, I can only say, again, please stay off political blogs. I did not accuse capper of anything. I was discussing the thread and his responses to it. I have no responsibility to comment on other people’s non-germane commentary. If all you can offer the thread is to complain about others going off topic, great, but please aim it at the people who are doing it.
And for the record, I do not believe it is ‘arrogance’ to assume the contributors to a blog have a clue of the conversation. Your comment seemed to infer that you did not believe he had broken any law, rather than ignorance. Again I apologize for mistaking the inference and I will assume ignorance on your part in the future if your words are ambiguous…
To wit, when I used the the phrase ‘Liberals use hypocrisy like perfume’ it was referring to capper’s comments defending and even glorifying Holloway for his private business dirtiness while demonizing Walker for things that were hardly his responsibility save by the thinnest of threads. It is not ‘hypocrisy’ to accuse Capper of political wrongdoing. Either it is truth, or it is libel. I won’t condemn or defend him, because I do not know him, nor have I seen any evidence presented that would vindicate or vilify him.
Since I did not and will not accuse or defend him of political misconduct, I could hardly have my own term of idiotologue ascribed to me on account of it. I realize that it is not a real word, so I will ask you: LSTW, do you want me to define what I meant by the term so you do not misuse it again? I hope you will not be too offended if I suggest investing in a dictionary for words like arrogance and hypocrisy.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on December 29, 2010 at 1542 hrs
Inside Source is the troll which caused the Milwaukee DA to send Owen a cease and desist order to remove the comment for its libelous contents. I don’t know if the DA has closed the case regarding finding out who he/she/they are yet.
And Son, I really no longer care what a Teapublican thinks of me. Jesus Christ Himself could testify on my behalf, and you wouldn’t believe him.
Posted by capper on December 30, 2010 at 0205 hrs
capper,
I’ve never received a cease and desist order from the Milwaukee DA.
Posted by Owen on December 30, 2010 at 0820 hrs
You have never heard of Lee Holloway before he was appointed the County Exec in place of Walker? O-o-o-o-kay. I apologize for assuming that you had heard of him before, but really, stay off the political blogs if you have never even heard of the players.
I didn’t say I never heard of holloway, I asked what laws he broke. A difference you apparently dont see and which also puts me on his band wagon. Thanks for answering my question though, loud and clear on that one. But hey, thanks for clearing up what he did wrong. He is a slumlord, plain and simple.
LSTW, do you want me to define what I meant by the term so you do not misuse it again?
Since you have no interest in being accurate in your statements, why should I care what you think? You are so quick to point out perceived faults or problems with other people’s comments. Yet when someone (I) point out the problems with your argument, you say I need to invest in a dictionary. Arrogant is an accurate description of you (here is a link for you to remind yourself, http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/arrogant).
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on December 30, 2010 at 1002 hrs
Arrogant is many times an accurate description of me, it just didn’t fit in your comment on this thread. I questioned (to be accurate) whether you had heard of Holloway before his appointment to County Executive so it is, once again, you who are being inaccurate. If you had heard of him the likelihood is very high that it would have been in reference to one of his misdeeds. Even the Journal/Sentinel could not mention his name without referring to his continuing misdeeds. Had you actually known anything about him before his appointment it is virtually inconceivable that you knew nothing of his misdeeds.
It is just so far beyond belief that you knew anything of him before his appointment and did not know any of the many, many, many allegations against him that I think your belligerence in #34 is trying to hide your ignorance.
Now I can add you to the liberal hypocrisy wagon as well, if a few words pointing out your ignorance can put you on his ‘bandwagon’.
Since you have no interest in being accurate in your statements, why should I care what you think? You are so quick to point out perceived faults or problems with other people’s comments. Yet when someone (I) point out the problems with your argument, you say I need to invest in a dictionary.
What problems did you point out in my arguments from comments 27 and 28 that I did not apologize for? How is it ‘arrogance’ for me to assume you know what you are talking about? I did not misuse any words, you did. I made the wrong assumptions from your comments and I apologized for that. It is you who made all the capper comments in #28 addressed to me that had nothing to do with me. Was I not supposed to respond?
The only inaccuracy (your assertion) I had was that you have actually heard of Lee Holloway, but had no honest idea of any of his transgressions against the law. I still stand by my words, still. It defies belief that Holloway came up in a conversation you have had before his appointment of himself to replace Scott Walker, and that the conversation included none of the allegations against him.
Anyway, have fun rooting for Holloway and definitely don’t call him up on the internet, it may hurt your image of him as being ‘just a slumlord’ that you can adnire. (To prevent part of your next comment, ‘on someones bandwagon’ and ‘admiration’ are indeed synonymous.)
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on December 30, 2010 at 1144 hrs
I still stand by my words, still
Welcome to the department of redundancy department!
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on December 30, 2010 at 1146 hrs
@Owen, well, whatever it was, you agreed to remove the previous comments, true?
Posted by capper on December 30, 2010 at 2201 hrs
Well, whatever it was and whatever I did, it had nothing to do with a DA’s order… true? If we’re going to deal, let’s deal in facts, mmmkay?
Posted by Owen on December 30, 2010 at 2217 hrs
Isn’t that what I just said? Sheesh.
Posted by capper on December 30, 2010 at 2219 hrs
No, it wasn’t. You have a way of pussyfooting around the truth when you are caught in a lie. I just want you to admit it. Simple enough, eh?
Posted by Owen on December 30, 2010 at 2225 hrs
Sorry, but protecting your apparently fragile self-image isn’t in my higher priorities. You can say what you want was your motivation, but the facts are the facts.
Posted by capper on December 30, 2010 at 2227 hrs
Yes. And the facts are that you asserted that I received a cease and desist order from the Milwaukee DA. I didn’t. You lied.
Posted by Owen on December 30, 2010 at 2229 hrs
Capper, as sympathetic as I am to that ridiculous situation your were put through, Owen is correct that he never received a cease and desist order from the DA or anyone working for him.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on December 30, 2010 at 2241 hrs
Speaking of Capper, can we please have a New Year’s resolution where we agree not to mention the “Capper ordeal” anymore? I know that it’s all fun and games to pick on the guy, but he was not charged with any crime and CRG really looked like a bunch of idiots for accusing Capper of blogging on furlough days.
I think even capper will agree that he can be a complete and total dick at times
, but there are plenty of other more topical and true things to rip on him about than the CRG thing. He has issues about which he is passionate, and so do we. We don’t have to hate each other, do we?Let’s not make it personal, okay?
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on December 31, 2010 at 0013 hrs
Anyway, have fun rooting for Holloway and definitely don’t call him up on the internet, it may hurt your image of him as being ‘just a slumlord’ that you can adnire.
I am looking for a comment I made that stated I was “rooting for Holloway”. I have a feeling that I will be looking for awhile….
sigh
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on January 03, 2011 at 1239 hrs
Jeez, you don’t look very hard, do you? Comment #34
A difference you apparently dont see and which also puts me on his band wagon.
I almost called it in comment 35. I thought you would question in the name of accuracy, my use of the word ‘admire’, but you picked ‘rooting for Holloway’... so close.
If I am on a politician’s ‘bandwagon’, I would root for them, say in an election. I would vote for them, I would hope their policies were a success, personally I would have to admire them before I stated I was ‘on their bandwagon’.
Oh, did I misinterpret again? What did you mean by the quote above?
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on January 04, 2011 at 1040 hrs
I didn’t say I never heard of holloway, I asked what laws he broke. A difference you apparently dont see and which also puts me on his band wagon.
I asked what laws holloway broke, which in comment #31 you took to mean I never heard of holloway. I stated the above when it appears you cannot see the difference between the two comments. And then asking the question of what laws he broke put me on holloway’s bandwagon even though I said nothing close to that.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on January 05, 2011 at 1009 hrs
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Posted by Arron Xman on January 10, 2011 at 1028 hrs
Ah, now I get it. You were not saying you were ‘on his bandwagon’ in comment 34 when you said you were on his bandwagon. You were accusing me of putting you on his bandwagon. (Is that correct?)
I suppose I should not expect any apologies for your misinterpretations, but since I never remotely accused you of being on his bandwagon (in fact, I accused you of knowing nothing about him before his CE appointment), how could I have interpreted your next comment of being on his bandwagon as anything other than you now supporting him? I should assume that you are falsely accusing me of something rather than take your words at face value? It is quite common for people to take the ‘enemy of my enemies is my friend’ approach and it would have been fully in character for you to ‘support him’ because conservatives don’t.
I did accuse you of pretending ignorance, you responded saying no, you really were ignorant, I apologized. Don’t worry, I do not expect reciprocity. Then after my apology you continue on with your broken record accusation never defending a single other thing you say or responding to anything I say.
If you are willing to continue your breathtaking defense of being ignorant of the man, but knew who he was, sure I accept it. You had seen/heard his name, but had never read a single article that featured him or heard any story about him and yet care enough about politics to comment on political blogs. I guess that is believable… in a liberal.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on January 12, 2011 at 1416 hrs
Ah, now I get it. You were not saying you were ‘on his bandwagon’ in comment 34 when you said you were on his bandwagon. You were accusing me of putting you on his bandwagon. (Is that correct?)
Yes. Sarcasm is difficult to convey in text. I should consider using “(sarcasm)” to make sure what I am trying to express is more clear.
...but since I never remotely accused you of being on his bandwagon (in fact, I accused you of knowing nothing about him before his CE appointment)...
Please see comment #21, “Somehow, I am not surprised LSTW is on the Holloway band wagon.”
It is quite common for people to take the ‘enemy of my enemies is my friend’ approach and it would have been fully in character for you to ‘support him’ because conservatives don’t.
I don’t know how you came to this conclusion. Most people only speak up when they don’t agree with something. I did not disagree with statements regarding his slum lord status; I actually agreed with them.
(in fact, I accused you of knowing nothing about him before his CE appointment)
You didn’t make this distinction until comment #31. You did not mention his CE status in #26 or #21.
Then after my apology you continue on with your broken record accusation never defending a single other thing you say or responding to anything I say.
Did you consider that it might be a waste of time to respond to everything you lob my way? You made some assumptions regarding a simple question. You might not viewed it as a simple question, but that is not my fault. After I posted my initial question regarding what laws he broke, I did think that maybe you were talking about his slumlord status. I wasn’t sure, so I left my question as it was, hoping that you would just answer it.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on January 13, 2011 at 1122 hrs
I did accuse you of pretending ignorance, you responded saying no, you really were ignorant, I apologized. Don’t worry, I do not expect reciprocity.
And what a backhanded apology it was. You ask for reciprocity, ok. I apologize for comment #28, but when you make hyperbole statements towards “liberals”, was I not to respond? Is that backhanded enough?
I will actually offer a sincere apology. I apologize for comment #28. I made the mistake of assuming you were talking about liberals as a whole and not just capper. I do not expect the same from you, but maybe I’ll get a surprise.
If you are willing to continue your breathtaking defense of being ignorant of the man, but knew who he was, sure I accept it. You had seen/heard his name, but had never read a single article that featured him or heard any story about him and yet care enough about politics to comment on political blogs. I guess that is believable… in a liberal.
I just needed to be reminded of him, thats all. But you couldn’t resist. The below is how easy it “could” have been:
me: what laws did he break?
You: Really? Well, all those housing violations are a start.
me: Oh, thats right, I forgot about those.Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on January 13, 2011 at 1145 hrs
LSTW,
I have to admit when you are right you are right. Timing seems to be the main problem here. I did put you on his bandwagon when I assumed you remembered more about him than you did.It did set me off when you threw a big ol’ capper rant that seemed to be at me based on the context of the comment.
In my mind, I had taken you back off the wagon when I acknowledged you said you truly did not know/remember any of his misdeeds. Remember to that point I had really assumed you knew of him, but were defending him as a fellow liberal. When you later said you were on his bandwagon, I thought it was a new statement. My misinterpretation, my fault.
I hope you’ll admit, the record of a liberal asking a conservative or a conservative asking a liberal for ‘dirt’ on their own ‘side’ is rarely an ‘honest question’ on any political blog. For one thing, no one ever believes a source in the first place and that goes both ways. A fact not really hard to accept when you consider some of the polar opposite conclusions a lib or a con (especially the spin doctors)will make from the same set of facts.
Please accept that I really thought you were baiting cons in general with your question as he has been convicted of nothing or virtually nothing that I know of. I figured that was where you were going and I did not feel like playing that game and am actually glad that is not what you were up to. Next accept, that when you pleaded ignorance/memory lapse, logically I assumed you were not actually on his bandwagon anymore so when you said it ambiguously later I had really forgotten I had used that term and thought you were now jumping on because cons were condemning him and libs were defending him on this post.
And what a backhanded apology it was. You ask for reciprocity, ok. I apologize for comment #28, but when you make hyperbole statements towards “liberals”, was I not to respond? Is that backhanded enough?
No, actually, I want you to respond. Just respond to what I am referring to if you are answering me. Don’t start the comment ‘Tuerqas’ and then go off on something Smeety says.(Just an example)
No one ever gave any sort of response to 26 except that one line where I accused you feigning ignorance. I did not expect it of you, not because you are incapable, but because it was aimed at capper. All he could do was defend his ‘good’ name.
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