Monday, December 24, 2007

Green Bay Police Fingerprinting Everyone

Good idea?

If you’re ticketed by Green Bay police, you’ll get more than a fine. You’ll get fingerprinted, too. It’s a new way police are cracking down on crime.

If you’re caught speeding or playing your music too loud, or other crimes for which you might receive a citation, Green Bay police officers will ask for your drivers license and your finger. You’ll be fingerprinted right there on the spot. The fingerprint appears right next to the amount of the fine.

Police say it’s meant to protect you—in case the person they’re citing isn’t who they claim to be. But not everyone is sold on that explanation.

“What we’ve seen happen for the last couple of years [is] increasing use of false or fraudulent identification documents,” Captain Greg Urban said.

Police say they want to prevent the identity theft problem that Milwaukee has, where 13 percent of all violators give a false name.

Wow.  13 percent?

(16) Comments
Posted by Owen at 2153 hrs
Law + Politics + Politics - Wisconsin + Technology

  1. This strikes me as excessive.

    Posted by Coop on December 24, 2007 at 2234 hrs


  2. Sounds like they’re ready to arrest your anonymous commenters, Owen.

    Posted by james wigderson on December 24, 2007 at 2355 hrs


  3. Scanned or ink?

    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on December 25, 2007 at 0759 hrs


  4. The above was supposed to have a smiley.

    A few more things, facial recognition cameras, software and wireless capabilities will soon be good enough so that when you are stopped the officer will not even leave the patrol car until there is a positive identification.

    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on December 25, 2007 at 0810 hrs


  5. I think it is excessive.  The police (government) just keep grabbing a little more control over our lives at every turn.

    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on December 25, 2007 at 0850 hrs


  6. What happens if you refuse to let them fingerprint you but other wise cooperate?

    I would have no problem giving them my license but I would refuse to let them fingerprint me if I was not under arrest.

    I fall into the this is excessive and intrusive.

    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on December 25, 2007 at 1333 hrs


  7. I think this is excessive as well. Unless the police are placing you under arrest, there’s no need for fingerprinting.

    Providing a false ID to police is already a crime, and those who engage in such activity usually get caught,

    And it doesn’t appear that the police are doing this to cooperate with immigration authorities either.

    Posted by pdigaudio on December 25, 2007 at 1445 hrs


  8. They are trying it to see if they can get away with it. They start with “voluntary” compliance at first.

    I would suggest making the police officer prove to you that they really are a police officer, and not some loon committing identity theft. Start with a demand to examine their credentials. Continue with every bit of lawful obstruction possible ... let them know you will pointlessly appeal and request continuances in order to eat up the officer’s free time ... all because you find this “request” offensive.

    You may ant to visit the National Motorists Association’s website for pointers on how to make traffic court an income negative experience for the State.

    Posted by Kristopher on December 25, 2007 at 1625 hrs


  9. When I was a teenager and getting my first driver’s license in Texas, we were fingerprinted immediately.  That was the only way we could get a license.  It was just standard practice.

    I am not sure if it is anymore, but my fingerprints have been on file for years.

    We also had to take a CPR, Good Samaritan class and a first aid class during driver’s ed.

    This was also standard practice in Texas.  My younger brother and sister had to do the same.

    At least with the basic health care knowledge, everyone of us going to a driver’s ed class had this knowledge.  This knowledge came in pretty handy at times.

    I guess they wanted to teach us as much as they could about these types of things.

    I would not be surprised that sometime in the near future, your driver’s license and your fingerprints will be attached together.  As it is, officers can slide your card like a debit card and get all your info.  That is why it is now very hard to get a fake driver’s license.

    I am guessing that shortly they will be able to scan your fingerprint and they will get your information, making it even more difficult to get fake a driver’s license.

    Big brother is watching!!!

    Posted by K. Carpenter on December 25, 2007 at 1819 hrs


  10. That’s ridiculous.  Between the Christian-only holiday displays and the fingerprinting, sounds like Green Bay is well on its way to becoming the newest theocratic police state.  Wonder when they’re going to start trying to develop their own nuclear “power” like some of their Middle Eastern counterparts?

    Posted by Recess Supervisor on December 26, 2007 at 1230 hrs


  11. Speaking of ridiculous…Thanks RS.

    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on December 26, 2007 at 1645 hrs


  12. Glad to help.  Good to see you contributing to the discussion in such a meaningful way.

    Fact remains that in both cases, we’re discussing policies that are detrimental to individual liberty and freedom.  Care to disagree?

    Posted by Recess Supervisor on December 26, 2007 at 1803 hrs


  13. The reason is in the blog post below. 

    It’s the database stupid.  All the <strike>cattle</strike> citizens need to tagge, marked, and numbered.  For their own protection of course. 

    How much you want to bet there is a DOJ grant paid to local law enforcement for the number of new entries to the FBI fingerprint and biometric database?

    Posted by John Washburn on December 26, 2007 at 1934 hrs


  14. Actually, I just meant it was funny.  You did mean to exaggerate for a humorous effect.., didn’t you?  It is absolutely an infringement on individual rights bordering on intolerable.  I assumed that was your point in comment 10.

    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on December 27, 2007 at 1104 hrs


  15. In a short while i think that they will be able to scan your fingerprint and they will get your information, making it even more difficult to get fake a driver’s license.

    Posted by Outsource on March 19, 2008 at 0805 hrs


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