Get On Board, or Suffer Another Four Years Of Doyle

Amen.

To all you Scott Walker Supporters who havent joined the Green Team

What are you waiting for, get into the fight. I had the chance to talk to Scott Walker last night at the Joel Kleefisch reception. He made the point that lot of conservative in South East Wisconsin are still sitting on the side lines since Scott left the race. As one of the biggest Walker supporters in the blogoshere I feel qualified to talk about this. Its time to get over the fact that our “Local guy” didn’t win.

You have two choices go sit on the sidelines with that idiot Mark Belling and take the chance that Green will still beat Doyle and you can have your cake and eat it too. Or start working as hard for Mark Green as you would for Scott Walker.

I’ll be doing calls for Green next week.  I hate doing calls, but I was promised beer afterwards.  Even without the beer, it’s worth doing to get Green into office.  Of course, that doesn’t mean that I won’t take the beer…

1. The object in supporting any particular candidate is to try to get someone who is better than the old candidate.

   At this point, I am not sure that Green will be that much better than Doyle,.

   I have talked to quite a few people who are NOT very political and they tell me that they don’t see much difference between Mark Green and Jim Doyle. I have to agree with them.

   Green tells us that he wants to reduce the tax burden on Wisconsin families, unfortunately his words don’t match hsi rhetoric.

   I am looking for a good reason to support Mark Green, please, someone give me that reason.

   Posted by on August 24, 2006 at 2226 hrs




2. They give you beer over there?

   Awww man....I’ve been gypped.

   Posted by Jenna on August 25, 2006 at 0046 hrs




3. Orv,

   Green supports TABOR. 

   Green has pledged not to raise taxes.

   Green will rein in the hostile regulatory climate. 

   Green will sign concealed carry.

   I could go on… I understand those conservatives who say that Green is not firm enough on some of these issues, but we know where Doyle is.  Green would be a substantial improvement.

   Posted by Owen on August 25, 2006 at 0549 hrs




4. I’ve never liked supporing one candidate simply because I disliked his opponent.

   I’ll vote for Green, but before I start giving him my evenings and Saturdays I need more than pledges and promises.  I want someone to point me to something Green did that makes me think he’ll be tough with a Republican Legislature that can’t even pass TABOR.

   I don’t see that in Green and that’s why he’s not getting my time/money.

   Posted by Lord Ben on August 25, 2006 at 0733 hrs




5. Owen, why would you support
   someone who is complicit in
   running up the largest deficits
   in US history? The rhetoric
   doesnt match the action. In
   addition, Greens ethical problems
   and connections to W. and Tom
   DeLay make it difficult to gain
   seperation from Doyle on ethical
   issues. Personally i would prefer]
   to see divided government remain
   in WI. Just look how awful one
   party control is in Washington DC.

   Posted by on August 25, 2006 at 0913 hrs




6. Tosa,

   But the idea of our Governor being under investigation and potentially facing Federal indictment, that’s just fine with you?

   Get Real!

   Posted by Kevin Binversie on August 25, 2006 at 0924 hrs




7. I’ve still yet to hear a compelling reason why Green will be awsome.  Everything just bashes Doyle or encourages people who are conservative to get on the bandwagon.

   Not many people with good reasons why Green is good.  Just why Doyle sucks.

   If you really want people to help Green why not make a convincing arguement for him.

   Posted by Lord Ben on August 25, 2006 at 0937 hrs




8. First post in a few months, but whatever.

   http://lordben.blogspot.com/2006/08/lord-ben-challenge- in-response-to-post.html

   Posted by Lord Ben on August 25, 2006 at 1034 hrs




9. The more that Republicans keep rewarding candidates who are just as big of whores as Jim Doyle, the longer it will take for Wisconsin to get its act together.

   Owen, and others, Green is just as easily bought and paid-for as Jim Doyle.  The only difference is that - with the exception of ethanol - he sells himself out to special interests that you happen to like.

   And on the ethanol thing, why do you think he supports it?  Do you really think for one second that Green actually believes the junk science arguments in support of it?  If he does, then he is just stupid - so why vote for him?  If he doesn’t believe the junk science, then he’s supporting it in exchange for campaign donations - which puts him in the same category as Jim Doyle.

   The whole “lesser of two evils” philosophy of compromise voting still leaves you with someone unworthy of holding the office.  This has been proven time and again.  Put Green in office, and Wisconsin will be mimic the type of government expansion that we saw at the Federal level under GW and a GOP Congress.

   Posted by David Svendsen on August 25, 2006 at 1054 hrs




10. I am simply not convinced that Mark Green is really a TABOR supporter given his very weak endorsment this past spring when TABOR was actually up for votes in both the Senate & Assembly. He had a chance to really come out strongly in favor but chose a different path.

    Given the strong support across the state and from both democrat and republican voters, Mark Green did not deliver the goods when he had a chance, so what makes anyone think that he will deliver the goods if he becomes Governor.

    I actually think that Mark Green is running under the wrong party label. He should be running under the party label of the “Publicans” In ancient Rome a “Publican” was better known as a Tax Collector, so Mark Green and the “Re-Publicans” simply want to collect taxes over and over and....

    Posted by on August 25, 2006 at 1100 hrs




11. The Belling Kool-Aid drinkers are in the boards today I see.

    Posted by Kevin Binversie on August 25, 2006 at 1105 hrs




12. I haven’t listened to Belling in years.

    Posted by Lord Ben on August 25, 2006 at 1124 hrs




13. Well Ben, if you’d go help on a Green phone bank, you’d be amazed to find out the current phoning deals with...drum roll please:

    TABOR!

    Why are we reliving this fight? Green is just as awesome as Walker.  What’s going to convince some of you, an ad with Scott in it just in the Milwaukee market?

    Posted by Kevin Binversie on August 25, 2006 at 1136 hrs




14. Ads are just that, ads, they are not reality anymore than Jim Doyle’s ads are reality not is Mark Green extreme or not extreme just because he says he is an extreme rebounder etc. etc.

    Posted by on August 25, 2006 at 1553 hrs




15. What are you waiting for,(?)

    Mark Green does not like network neutrality.

    Posted by Midnight Commander on August 25, 2006 at 2151 hrs




16. Green is rated the most conservative member of the Wisconsin congressional delegation, more conservative than Sensenbrenner, or even Paul Ryan. The thought that a Walker governorship would have been any different than a Green governorship is laughable and shows a lack of familiarity with the records of both men.

    The fact is that Green will be the best governor we’ve had in Wisconsin, at least in my lifetime. He has vowed to support strong limits on taxes in this state, and to somehow try to blame him for a Republican Party in Madison that has been awol on tax relief is a tactic only a Democrat could embrace.

    Also, Orv, how can you talk out of one side of your mouth that Green is not a great candidate, while out of the other side talking about Bill Kramer being a true conservative even though he has voted to raise taxes EVERY SINGLE TIME HE HAS HAD THE CHANCE in Waukesha County, even after campaigning for office on a pledge to actually freeze the tax levy? At least be consistent.

    If Mark Green had dropped out of this race instead of Scott, I would have absolutely started donating and volunteering for Walker, and I would have been proud to do it. The Republican Party had two great candidates for governor, and some of us chose one over the other. Now it’s time to unite and get the Republican candidate elected.

    One more thing: Why do we only get pizza in Waukesha when Owen is getting free beer?

    Posted by Troy Fullerton on August 26, 2006 at 1907 hrs




17. To be fair, the beer isn’t from the Green campaign.

    Posted by Owen on August 26, 2006 at 1910 hrs




18. I said after Walker dropped out and the “green team” just assumed SE Wisconsin movement conservatives would rally to him that they will be in for a shock when Green loses the election due to underperforming in SE Wisconsin.  Well, guess what?  He’s not polling as strongly as expected, and a failure to shore up the base is the reason.

    And what do conservatives hear from Green?  More wishy-washy rhetoric (he’s so typical of the establishment Republicans in Wisconsin), and a terribly dorky ad about being an extremely bad shooter!

    And rip on Belling all you want, but if Green continues this lackluster campaign, and doesn’t make specific appeals to the base, he’s not going to win.

    For a Governor as weak as Doyle to still have a big lead shows that Green was not the candidate that had the best chance to win.

    Posted by on August 27, 2006 at 1018 hrs




19. I think the problem is the Green campaign seems to think being ordered to “get on board” will motivate Walker supporters.  Nothing could be further from the truth and it probably has the opposite effect. How about appealing to the base and giving us reasons to vote for your guy instead of just saying “he isn’t Doyle.”

    That arrogant attitude that somehow Mark “ethanol” Green is entitled to be Governor isn’t exactly helping your cause.

    Posted by on August 27, 2006 at 1206 hrs




20. As a Walker supporter, I don’t think that the Green campaign has been arrogant or acting entitled.  They have been saying where Green stands on the issues for months.  The fact that some conservatives are willing to sit silent and let Doyle get reelected than support Green says more about them than him. 

    I get the feeling that a bunch of SE Wisconsin conservatives are waiting for Green to come around and kiss their ass for their support.  Well, get over yourselves. 

    Look… Green is not as conservative as me, but few folks are.  But he is far - FAR - more conservative than Doyle.  If you are willing to let Doyle ruin this state for another four years because Green isn’t conservative “enough” for you, then fine.  I, for one, will deal in reality. 

    I know that many of you conservatives would rather have someone “more” conservative than Green.  Who would that be?  I’m not sure.  But while y’all sit around pining for the perfect candidate, we are facing another four years of Governor Doyle.  Do you know what that means?  No concealed carry.  No property tax freeze.  Massive tax increases.  Liberal judges.  And on and on and on.  Green would be more conservative than any governor that Wisconsin has had in more than 30 years - perhaps ever.  He is certainly more conservative than Tommy. 

    Like I said… get over yourselves.  Some of us are trying to advance conservatism in this state.  If you don’t want to help, then get the hell out of the way.

    Posted by Owen on August 27, 2006 at 1224 hrs




21. Orv:

    You are too young to travel down the Bob Dohnal road of irrelevance.

    Posted by on August 27, 2006 at 1656 hrs




22. I think I pay pretty close attention to news and blogs.  And while the facts have been out there and Green has stated where he stands it’s not packaged very well yet.  Nothing the average guy like me can read and remember and give back in easily packaged segments to people who ask me about it.

    It’s not that I don’t want to help, it’s that I really don’t know what to say if people question the why? 

    I’m sure somewhere is a great list of good things Green has done (Lakeshorelaments did a good job) but I don’t think for the most part that it’s been passed out to people.

    I’m not waiting for Green himself to call me and ask me to man a phone bank or for anyone to kiss my ass before I help.  But I’d like more than a dryly written policy statement before I start trying to convince people who could care less.

    I’m not crying over spilled milk, but when people asked me why I supported Walker I had something to say.  Granted I was fairly motivated and backed him for a long time prior to his run so I had plenty of knowledge.  But I don’t have that yet with Green.  Sure, I could suck it up and do the backgroung research myself but if people want me (and others like me) to help they could start by trying to get the base motivated first.  Not by calls to arms but with factoids, tidbits, and good blogging in support of Green (far better than campaign press releases).

    Posted by Lord Ben on August 28, 2006 at 1029 hrs




23. I understand your point, Ben.  For me, I am motivated by the issues. 

    For example, I am passionate about concealed carry and I know that Green would sign it. 

    I think that Wisconsin does not need any more tax increases.  Green has committed to a zero net tax increase during his first term.

    I think that Wisconsin needs TABOR.  Green has promised to support it. 

    I think that Wisconsin needs a more responsive and sensible university system.  Green has pledged to rein in UW. 

    I think that Wisconsin needs regulatory and legal reforms to make it more business friendly.  Green has a plan for that. 

    Sure, Green could be lying about all of this, but his history has shown him to be conservative and truthful. 

    For the issues that I care about, Green is a far better choice than Doyle.  FAR better.

    Perhaps the Green campaign needs to do a better job.  I think that they are doing a pretty good job, but their focus is statewide.

    Posted by Owen on August 28, 2006 at 1039 hrs




24. Also, as I read about the WI-Blogosphere I don’t see Green even mentioned that much.

    Green-Team is probably doing fine I suppose.  I’m not saying the campaign is doing lousy.  The bloggers who say I’m not doing my duty should be more pro-active on their own blogs.  For instance the original message by Chris at Spotted Horse - I don’t see anything on his Blog about Green really, or at least the last few days.  He didn’t even bother cross posting his post from BBA to his own blog (unless I missed it).

    A cursory look through some of my main blogs there really isn’t a lot being said about Green on any of them.

    When the post about Grothman went up it said lots of good things about him and seemed to be written in an excited tone.  Green stuff isn’t it seems.

    Now I’m not trying to make excuses for myself, I’m just commenting on the general mood/feeling of the blogposts I’ve been reading.

    Posted by Lord Ben on August 28, 2006 at 1101 hrs




25. Fair enough.  I think the reaction in the blogosphere has more to do with the fact that it’s primary season.  Many of us are focused on some primary races like the AG, 97th Assembly, 98th Assembly, etc.  Once those are settled and people get focused on the general election, I suspect that you’ll see a lot more.

    Posted by Owen on August 28, 2006 at 1113 hrs




26. I put this up for what it’s worth.  I guess you could say I’m motivated now…

    http://lordben.blogspot.com/2006/08/pro-green-blogging- ive-decided-to-post.html

    Posted by Lord Ben on August 28, 2006 at 1150 hrs