Sunday, July 04, 2010

Creed of Slaves

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.

- William Pitt

(7) Comments
Posted by Owen at 1403 hrs
Culture + Politics + Politics - General

  1. Pay your fair share citizens!  If you have nothing to hide, then what’s the problem?  You want to be safe don’t you?

    Posted by Jay4Liberty on July 04, 2010 at 1411 hrs


  2. “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

    CS Lewis

    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on July 04, 2010 at 1656 hrs


  3. *cough* Patriot Act *cough*

    Posted by Jay4Liberty on July 04, 2010 at 1840 hrs


  4. I’m just wondering exactly which part of the “Patriot Act” have you been personally affected by? Could you list for me a few of the freedoms that you’ve lost because of it? Perhaps you could offer me a list of a few of the people that have been wrongfully imprisoned because of it? Really, I hear about the horrors of the “Act” all the time. Please, educate me on it…. seems that I should be living in fear or something.

    Now, as I ask this, I am assuming that you are not part of an Islamist sleeper cell plotting an attack. I mean, if you are, then you have been clearly screwed by the Patriot Act and your rights have been grievously violated. You should sue… assuming, that is, that your suicide mission fails. I smell a class action law suit baby….

    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on July 04, 2010 at 2355 hrs


  5. “his cupidity may at some point be satiated”

    ...until the change of the guard.

    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on July 05, 2010 at 0720 hrs


  6. “That none of us felt responsible for having lost our freedom has been a part of an insidious progression. In the beginning the attention of the flock was directed not to the marauding wolf but to our own deviant members within the flock. We rejoiced as the wolf destroyed them for they were our enemies. We were told that the weak lay under the rocks while we faced the blizzards to rustle our food, and we did not care when the wolf took them. We argued that they deserved it. When one of our flock faced the wolf alone it was always eaten. Each of us was afraid of the wolf, but as a flock we were not afraid. Indeed the wolf cleansed the herd by destroying the weak and dismembering the aberrant element within. As time went by, strangely, the herd felt more secure under the rule of the wolf. It believed that by belonging to this wolf it would remain safe from all the other wolves. But we were eaten just the same.”  From Gerry Spence to Alan Hirschfield on his defense of Randy Weaver (the Ruby Ridge racist).

    So, yes SOL - we may not have directly been affected by the Patriot act, but when we let the wolf set up secret courts, warrants based on secret information, and secret prisons, it is all who live in the shadow of the wolf that should be afraid - not just those he currently has his eyes on.  The wolf feeds itself, not the sheep.

    Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on July 05, 2010 at 0836 hrs


  7. I’m just wondering exactly which part of the “Patriot Act” have you been personally affected by?

    Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.

    If you can’t read the second quote and realize that the Patriot Act, a set of laws they were trying to get through for years until 9/11 happened, was something passed out of some claimed necessity in the name of safety then I can’t help you.

    Also if you can’t see that laws passed under some purpose such as keeping us safe have a way of mutating into something that eventually harms us, then take the Liberty out of your name.  You don’t know what it means and you’re obviously eager to give it up in order to feel safe or to give the red team a “win”.

    Posted by Jay4Liberty on July 05, 2010 at 0855 hrs


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