Climategate
This is just stunning. At least it would be if many of us hadn’t suspected such behavior for years.
If you own any shares in alternative energy companies I should start dumping them NOW. The conspiracy behind the Anthropogenic Global Warming myth (aka AGW; aka ManBearPig) has been suddenly, brutally and quite deliciously exposed after a hacker broke into the computers at the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit (aka CRU) and released 61 megabytes of confidential files onto the internet. (Hat tip: Watts Up With That)
When you read some of those files – including 1079 emails and 72 documents – you realise just why the boffins at CRU might have preferred to keep them confidential. As Andrew Bolt puts it, this scandal could well be “the greatest in modern science”.
I admit that when I first heard the news, I thought it might be a fraud or a hoax. It was too good to be true. But it’s been nearly a week now and the scientists aren’t denying that the documents are authentic. It’s an utter travesty the fraud that these “scientists” are trying to hoist on the world.
I just read this story and I have to say I am not surprised. What I am surprised about is that someone actually found out the truth!! Hats off to the hackers.
All you people that fell for it were scammed.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 25, 2009 at 0800 hrs
I distinctly recall being called to the floor and dragged across the coals for suggesting this kind of collusion in another thread last week… Hmm.
It feels nice to say “I told you so.”
Global warming was happening. It was part of the natural climate cycle of the Earth, just like the cooling we experienced the last couple of years.
Now, can we please move on to the next crisis, that will end the world unless we raise taxes and limit freedoms.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 25, 2009 at 0809 hrs
Getting a response from the lefties will take a couple days while Ariana Huffington, Rachel Maddow, Kieth Olberman, and the Climate Czar dig into the backgrounds of the gentlemen who sent these emails. Once their lives are destroyed, the libs will have something to say about how they are liars and defectors.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 25, 2009 at 0811 hrs
Hey, c’mon - cut them some slack. The data might be fake, but it is accurate.
OK, sarcasm off - but I am looking forward to the lefties and their justification of this behavior. Dan Rather, call your office.
Can you imagine the screams if this were done by, say, a think tank looking into advancing the use of clean coal?Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 25, 2009 at 0844 hrs
This is such a big fraud that it makes Bernie Madoff look like a piker.
How many laws have been passed because of global warming?
This shows once again that a liberal idea is just fraudlent. Everything from the war on poverty to global warming.
Can’t wait to hear what the fraudster scott has to say.Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 25, 2009 at 0908 hrs
“Please disperse ... there is nothing to see here!”
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 25, 2009 at 0935 hrs
Scott will simply point out, based on something he read on Wikipedia, that the people who acquired the information are shills for “Big Oil” and therefore anything they say, do, or acquired should be ignored, while ignoring himself the actual facts they uncovered.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 25, 2009 at 0939 hrs
What’s going to change? Those that have the facts will continue to know they are right, and those that believe this myth will continue full speed ahead with their legislation and their “man-made global warming” summits.
Our Democrat President certainly isn’t going to take a step back and consider the scandal and the cover-up just exposed.
It will be fun seeing Al Gore squirm much more frequently now though.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 25, 2009 at 0945 hrs
I think Scotts holiday weekend is ruined soon as he lays eyes on this. By Monday morning he should be out of avenues to persue.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 25, 2009 at 1002 hrs
As with any Liberal agenda the ends justify the means. Lying to get what you want is not considered wrong with these people, and with morals like that you can be assured they have another pot of BS stew to take the pace of this one. Besides, it never was about cleaning up the environment, it was about destroying American industry which they have achieved, so even though they’ve been exposed they haven’t failed. Too bad so many will still back Liberals and their agenda for no other reason than to prove they “care about saving the planet”, no matter what the cost.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 25, 2009 at 1012 hrs
I’m sure Al Gore will have a little less to be thankful for this holiday weekend - I imagine this could put a ding in his net worth and his potential windfall profits from the global green energy revolution. Might take a longer than planned to become the world’s first “carbon billionaire”.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/03/business/energy-environment/03gore.html
Hopefully, Al is good friends with George Soros - I hear Soros is poised to make a lot of money off of the declining dollar. He made out quite well that way in Britain.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 25, 2009 at 1018 hrs
The comment that the sun does noy influence the earth’s climate is really astounding.
Mars jupiter and other planets are becoming warmer too. Wonder how we can blame Big Oil and George Bush for that.
What a bunch or morons. Course that term is politically incorrect too.Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 25, 2009 at 1144 hrs
“There is no evidence of any worldwide conspiracy, no mention of George Soros nefariously funding climate research, no grand plan to ‘get rid of the MWP’ [Medieval Warm Period], no admission that global warming is a hoax, no evidence of the falsifying of data, and no ‘marching orders’ from socialist/communist/vegetarian overlords.”
“A symptom of something entirely new in the history of science: Aside from crackpots who complain that a conspiracy is suppressing their personal discoveries, we’ve never before seen a set of people accuse an entire community of scientists of deliberate deception and other professional malfeasance. Even the tobacco companies never tried to slander legitimate cancer researchers.”
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 25, 2009 at 1153 hrs
Does this mean that Al Gore has to give back his Noble Peace Prize? hahahahahahahahahahahahaha what a joke!
I wonder if Obama will continue on with his Global Climate Deal? ahahahahahhahahaha what a scam!
Now I have even more to be thankful for this Thanksgiving….while I’m eating turkey all the tree hugger liberals can eat crow!
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 25, 2009 at 1312 hrs
Despite the bombshell that is being dropped on it, the “Human Caused Global Warming, Self Loathing Festival” is being held in Copenhagen regardless. Obama is still pledging to cut “greenhouse gas” emissions up to 17% by 2020….. :rolleyes:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125915923048663833.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLETopStoriesPosted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 25, 2009 at 1441 hrs
White House officials said Mr. Obama would attend the U.N. summit on Dec. 9, before heading to Oslo to accept the Nobel Peace Prize. They stopped short of specifying what the administration will say at the event about other contentious issues looming over the negotiations.
Among the most important: how much money the U.S. will contribute to help developing nations fight climate change.
Rather than stay home and try to figure out how to improve the economy here. He is going to try to figure out how much of our money he is going to give developing countires to fix a problem that has been created from whole cloth.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 25, 2009 at 1615 hrs
I would rather he NOT try improving the economy anymore.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 25, 2009 at 1716 hrs
While I think there’s more to man-made climate change that the current “status quo”... I thought this was hilarious..
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 26, 2009 at 0154 hrs
Where are all the global warming people on this post?
Will they make Gore give back his millions?
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 26, 2009 at 0818 hrs
Sarcasm: I now believe I have the necessary majority of the public’s stamps of approval to use pictures of receding glaciers to start a fire under the old tires I have been saving for this definitive proof that acid rain, global warming, and the Kyoto Protocol are left-wing conspiracies designed to hamper industrial production and subjugate the masses. Remove those coal-stack scrubbers and catalytic converters in the name of freedom!
Note: If any one here has been to Moscow (pop 8.6 mil), Bangkok (pop 8 mil) or Astana, Kazakhstan (pop. 300K -> 1 mil in 8yrs), they’ll agree air pollution is real, acrid, and poisonous, and it (unfortunately) does not remain suspended in its country of origin.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 26, 2009 at 0826 hrs
All of your examples are not American cities, and American industry has bent over backwards to clean up their emissions. So please explain to me why it’s America’s problem that other countries continue to garbage up their environments? Frikkin Liberals think it’s America’s duty to right all the wrongs of the world, and if it bankrupts us in the process, well too bad. As usual, no common sense.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 26, 2009 at 0935 hrs
Scott(I-C), I’m not a “Frikkin Liberal”. Is to care about the natural environment that everyone lives in to be solely viewed by a dollar value and a political affiliation?
The basis of climate science was not undermined by the email leak.
Somewhat true: “American industry has bent over backwards to clean up their emissions.” Some companies and industries more than others.
Are we denying Arctic sea ice is at historically low levels, Australia is parched, the northern United Kingdom is incredibly flooded at the moment, the planet’s glaciers are melting at an increasing rate. ...that this is the hottest decade in recorded history? If climate change is all going on naturally, shall we ignore it and not study it or at least should we attempt to study it, try to understand it, and attempt to not contribute to the planet’s negative changes that we can avoid contributing to?
“Why it’s America’s problem that other countries continue to garbage up their environments?” Because by air and water the garbage ends up everywhere including here. Reasonable controls over human contributors to the problem(s) requires a unified effort or Eden will slowly die, Yes?
Ethically, religiously, spiritually, is humanity not supposed to respect and protect this gift and compel others through reason and negotiation to do so also?
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 26, 2009 at 1025 hrs
...that this is the hottest decade in recorded history?
These emails reveal that we cannot trust the data presented by the climate science establishment. The fact that you willfully ignore that these emails are shaking the very footing upon which the entire theory stands is telling indeed. You wish to maintain the status quo, regardless of what actual science and evidence of fraud and collusion tells you.
Again, Global warming was happening, sea ice melted, glaciers have melted. None of this has anything to do with human activity, just as it had nothing to do with human activity when it happened 10,000 years ago.
If climate change is all going on naturally, shall we ignore it and not study it or at least should we attempt to study it, try to understand it, and attempt to not contribute to the planet’s negative changes that we can avoid contributing to?
The Earth has natural fluctuations in its climate, they would happen whether or not we were here. Furthermore, who can honestly make the claim that the temperature in 1988, 1978, 1928, or 2008 is exactly where the Earth should be forever? Should we study the climate? Yes, absolutely. Should we make the assumption that we have the power to control its changes? No. How can you continue to say that these changes are negative? Do you know what might happen to crops if the temperatures rise? No, but we do know what happens when they fall… People die, as they did in the 14th century. Do you know whether or not plant and animal species can adapt (through evolution) to the changing climate? Yes, because we can see it in the fossil record. Adaptive evolution is what has made this planet as lush with plant and animal life as it is… To assume that human activity (also part of the natural world btw) has the power to change something we have so little understanding of to begin with is human arrogance to be sure.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 26, 2009 at 1157 hrs
You can “study” the climate until the cows come home for all I care, but to put the burden of righting others contempt for the planet on the people of America is purely idiotic. And now that we know those foisting the nefarious lie of man made climate change are doing so for advancing their agenda rather than cleaning up the environment why should the topic even be considered? Either these pigs clean their own backyard, or let them to live in their own filth. IT’S NOT AMERICA’S FAULT, NOR OUR PROBLEM. We cleaned up our act, let them do the same.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 26, 2009 at 1158 hrs
Frikkin liberal here, so you all can plug your ears and hum “la la la” now.
The scientists involved all acknowledge the pilfered documents are real and accurate. However their release in no way undermines the underlying science. No data was fudged (the data lives in its original form in many locations around the world, so would be difficult to impossible to rig) and the most often cited “gotchas,” the “nature trick” and “hide the decline,” are perfectly explainable if one would care to listen. As I realize the readers and commenters here dont’ care to do so (listen, that is) I will not bother to direct you to the response from the scientists involved. Oops, guess I just did anyway.
What the emails do show is how annoyed these particular scientists are with the AGW deniers. Perfectly human reaction, but we should expect better from scientists.
If you simply cannot accept the fact that this brewhaha is of no consequence, fine,24 lets toss the studies of those few scientists invlolved. That leaves another 10,000 climate scientists or so that have reached the same conclusions with different methods and different data sets. Now if you can only get the goods on them.
It might be easier just to provide more convincing science of your own. Oh, wait, you’ve been trying to and have been unsuccessful. Well, get your guys to do a better job.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 26, 2009 at 1848 hrs
Frikkin liberal here, so you all can plug your ears and hum “la la la” now.
As I realize the readers and commenters here dont’ care to do so (listen, that is) I will not bother to direct you to the response from the scientists involved. Oops, guess I just did anyway.
Wow, dude. Grow a sense of humor, or humility, whichever you choose.
I am continually amazed at how you “frikken liberals” always devolve an argument into name calling and insults.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 28, 2009 at 0723 hrs
Wikipedia says everything about the “science” is true, even though other science contradicts that science. Let’s just give government people all of our money since they’re obviously smarter and better than us. Then we can get back to important things like American Idol and Dancing With the Stars!
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 29, 2009 at 0850 hrs
Isn’t it great when you can no longer believe “anything” that comes out of Government, the news media, or the scientific community? And then to have the “frikkin” Liberals trying to justify the lies on top of it? Yeah, makes me want give all of them the bird rather than the benefit of the doubt. Sorry people, I’ve reached my BS limit.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 29, 2009 at 1435 hrs
I find it interesting that the only rebuttal offered here is that there is nothing to see here, because the underlying science is still right. If the consensus is so strong, and the science is so perfect why do these people feel the need to rig the story in their favor?
This continuous circular argument that this is the best science, because it is the most widely published, and peer reviewed, by the same scientists who are lying and covering things up to protect their “consensus” is faulty.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 30, 2009 at 0902 hrs
I find it interesting that the only rebuttal offered here is that there is nothing to see here, because the underlying science is still right.
I didn’t say the underlying science is still right, I said the original data is intact. If East Anglia cannot reproduce their initial data conversion to demonstrate the validity of that specific data set, any science produced from it should be should be discounted.
But realize this is a tiny fraction of the whole (University of East Anglia? Tell me you’ve ever even heard of it before), and an impressive amount of research from an impressive cadre of scientists remains supporting AGW.
And perhaps my admonishment that “we should expect better from scientists” was not strong enough. If some were indeed involved in an attempt to silence others, it is anathema to scientific pursuit, and should be strongly denounced by the scientific community.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 30, 2009 at 1021 hrs
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