From Rachel Lucas.
Dr. Melissa links to a UK article about a Miss England contestant who some people say is too big. I took the pic of Marilyn Monroe from Dr. Melissa and stuck it next to the one of this “fat” girl, who is 5′10″.
She’s gross, right? And by “gross”, I mean extremely attractive.
They say she’s a size 16 (UK), which is about 14 (US), which they say is plus-sized. Bullcorn. That’s perfectly average.
Thank you…and I speak for ALL the women of America!
They look nice to me.
“Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.”
Not exactly an original thought.
Now what we are supposed to feel guilty about what we find attractive?
Anyway what was attractive enough for JFK would certainly be attractive enough for me.
MM was a size 16.
Thank you, Owen.
This pandering is getting so bad, it’s almost Doyle-esqe.
For what it’s worth, Marilyn Monroe was not a size 16 by today’s standards—that’s a happy myth. Over the past 50 years designers have gradually increased the cut of women’s clothes to accommodate growing American waists, so what was a size 16 in the late 1950s is closer to a size 8 today.
Beauty is of course all relative.
For me, part of what I find attractive in a woman is the discipline and self-control to exercise, eat right, take care of her body, etc. That’s WAY attractive to me.
No offense to women of any size, but its not hard to be a size 16, (in todays sizes) and many women can be ‘that size’ without watching what they eat and without exercising.
And I know many many size 16 girls will say “oh but I do workout and I do watch what I eat” For the most part, this is just kidding themselves about what eating right and what exercise really is. Drinking diet soda and going TO the gym qualifies as eating right and exercising for many women.
And of course every other self-justification comes into play also. I had kids, I don’t have time to worry about myself, etc etc etc. Valid or not, the fact still remains that any doctor will tell a woman the size of the woman in the first photo that she would be healthier if she lost weight.
And that’s what I find attractive. A healthy girl who has the self-control to watch what she eats (which doesn’t mean eating nothing) and REALLY exercise (not just go to the gym and go thru the motions)
A pretty face is genetic. “lucky” if you will.
A fit and trim (not anorexic) body is earned, acheived as a result of discipline. What could be more attractive than that?
While I understand where you’re coming from, you’re not exactly right.
I will *never* be a size 6, probably not a size 16, either. The way I’m build, I actually have very little “meat” on my hips - I can feel my hip bones. My wrists and ankles - areas of little, if any, fat - are larger than the average. Contrary to what people say, how a body is framed by the skeleton does have an impact on what size they will be.
And things that are traditionally used to measure fitness - like the BMI - are faulty. A bodybuilder with minimal body fat could be classified as “obese” by the BMI.
I believe there are better indicators of fitness than the size one wears.
Most men like a gal with a little bit of thickness on them. The skinny, waify, skeletal look is way out. The most admired women these days are those who have a little bit of junk in the trunk and are proud of it.
you’re not exactly right.
Not really abour right or wrong. Just personal preference.
And things that are traditionally used to measure fitness - like the BMI - are faulty.
Well sure… Forget sizes, forget BMI indexes, heck, forget weight.
I’m just talking visual. The girl in the black in the first picture.
Sorry, she’s chunky, if she’s “big boned” then she’s chunky on top of her big gones. And as far as dating goes, I’m totally not attracted to that kind of girl. Tried. I wish I was… I’ve met some fantastic girls that I just couldn’t find physical attraction in.
A bodybuilder with minimal body fat could be classified as “obese” by the BMI.
Absolutely… I would never rely on BMI to or any other standardized measure of ‘fit’. I’m 6’2 297#‘s and I can assure you, Noone would ever look at me and call me obese.
I reject all of those “standardized” measures of fitness. Every body is put together differently, and genetically there are things we can control and things we can’t. I understand that.
I’ll just say again, that genetics aside, that girl in the first picture is not in good shape.
Without starving herself, without a malnourished diet plan, she could be in WAY better shape than she is.
Its fine that she choses not to. But for me, attraction is a girl that chooses to be in better shape, and does so, within the limits of her true genetics (not the exuse of genetics that everyone who chooses not to put forth the effort blames instead of their lifestyle choices)
When I was 21 I was 165#‘s (and at 6’02” I was a rail) noone ever said “oh, you’ve got the genetics”. I worked hard bodybuilding (drug free) and now EVERY day people say “oh, well you had the genetics” and that’s BS. People use genetics as a crutch. An excuse.
As I recently said, there’s nothing sexier to me than a woman who can help me move the furniture.
yeah… as long as she doesn’t break it when she sits down on it.
Effeminate Beta Male XXpilot likes waif thin women. No doubt when your a mans man of 5’6” 147 you need to find an “in shape, health nut, eat nuts, grow nuts, natural woman”.
The ridiculous point about designers expanding sizes so that yesteryears 16 is now an eight is just that, ridiculous.
I read the same story and nowhere did a doubling of women’s sizes appear. The quote was, yesterdays 10 is now an 8. Hardly the lunacy you spew here.
Keep your bulimic, anorexic, triple latte, espresso, half mocha, no cream, starbucks drinking, three cigarette smoking, croc wearing, code pinko, feminist.
I’ll take a zaftig woman any day.
Did I miss a cliche? I tried so hard to match xxpilot cliche for cliche. Not that we are engaging in pejoratives here.
Isn’t that right xxpilot.
displaced ched head, you’re my hero.
I’m pretty confident in who i am. I don’t need to lie on the internet and I’m pretty sure I expressed my opinion as ‘my opinion’
I’m sorry you have a problem with it. Must hit too close to home.
None-the-less the insecure offense takers in the blogosphere will line up to pat you on the back.
Well done… I’m vanquished.
My internet persona, AGAIN, lies bleeding on the keyboard.
Oh whatever will I do…