Assembly Moves to Support Poor People of All Races
Well, this is a happy development.
A proposal to eliminate race as a factor in a college grant program received preliminary approval from the Assembly Wednesday morning, the Associated Press reports.
The surprise proposal was made about 11 p.m. Tuesday by Rep. Peggy Krusick, D-Milwaukee, and backed by Republicans, who hold the majority. It passed around 8 a.m. Wednesday—with all Democrats except Krusick voting against it. A procedural move by Democrats, however, will block final passage until Thursday.
Rep. Robin Vos, R-Caledonia, said the Talent Incentive Program is intended to help poor students—therefore, whether one is a minority shouldn’t matter.
I suspect that it will die in the Senate, but good for the Assembly. Programs designed for poor folks should be targeted at poor folks - regardless of the race of the poor folk. Seems pretty simple.
How exactly do those Dems defend their vote on this?
Let’s hear from the folks on the left…
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 02, 2011 at 1502 hrs
In the immortal words of Chief Justice Roberts, “[t]he way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”
Posted by Jed on November 02, 2011 at 1509 hrs
It’s motivated by nothing more than the realization that in an era where government expenditures are being scrutinized, a greater appeal to the white vote is needed to secure support for any spending.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 02, 2011 at 1737 hrs
If that were true BBB, the Dems would have voted for it.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 03, 2011 at 0745 hrs
That’s BS, BBB. How about it being motivated by the desire for a truly colorblind society?
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 03, 2011 at 0749 hrs
The aforementioned Chief Justice ,who said he would “just call balls and strikes” has decided that corporations are people and with the greatest income inequality in our history, we NOW should be “colorblind”?
How convenient.
The goal is to eliminate these programs completely.
The idea that republicans care about the poor in any color is amusing.
In that way, I guess they really are colorblind.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 03, 2011 at 0809 hrs
And why is it, Mark, that “caring about the poor” always means “give your money to the government”? I’d argue that Democrats and liberals actually care less about the poor, as they tend to not *donate* their time and money to charity as much as conservatives/Republicans.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 03, 2011 at 0853 hrs
Gman, you are wasting your time discussing this with Maley. There is a reason he was categorically rejected by nearly every o-schoolteacher in the last school board election. This kind of stuff needs to be settled in elections.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 03, 2011 at 0858 hrs
Mark,
What does income inequality have to do with anything. Talking about how much the richest of us have does not equate to the bottom being destitute. If Bill Gates was poor, would that make one more person better off? Most of our “poor” have cars, tv’s, running clean water, electricity, cable, cell phones, food, educational opportunities, and clothes. Our wealthy people just have more and better of those things. The 1% make those things possible for the 99%. Say thank you and be on your way.
Tad
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 03, 2011 at 1527 hrs
The 1% make those things possible for the 99%. Say thank you and be on your way.
Why thank you masta!
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 03, 2011 at 1614 hrs
factoropinion,
Awww, poor baby probably hasn’t ever been a productive member of society. Apparently it thinks it’s owed “stuff” because it exists.
Fortunately, that’s not the way the world works.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 03, 2011 at 1718 hrs
Anytime Dolt!
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 03, 2011 at 1734 hrs
So which was that? Fact or Opinion?
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 03, 2011 at 1852 hrs
#10=Pure Sarcasm. The only ones I have to thank is my parents, Caerus and myself.
How about you?
#12=Pure Fact. Sharpen your quill, let’s give it a go Tad?
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 03, 2011 at 1907 hrs
It appears that a agency responsible for those grants stopped using race as a measure over a year ago in response to a federal rule.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 04, 2011 at 0657 hrs
.#10=Pure Sarcasm. The only ones I have to thank is my parents, Caerus and myself.
How about you?
That is interesting, yet most of your arguments are for about 1 in 6 people receiving food stamps, about 3 in 6 people paying no taxes who then receive refunds and about 1/2 of all students receiving Government aid of some sort for college after a free k-12 education, in effect, saying thank you to the Governmernt rather than to their family or friends?
There are a lot of things to go on about in that vein (from both of us I am sure), but the one that sticks out the furthest to me is that most people would actually say thank you or express their love to a friend or family member for help. No one says ‘Thanks for the help Gov’t. I can do it on my own now.’ They say ‘More, more more, and anyone who disagrees should be ashamed.’
A local church, friends, family, a local food bank. These people help others get back on their feet. The liberal Government not only wants to hold you dependent, it works hard to do it. They know that the majority of middle, high school and College grads start out liberal from their class curriculum and get more and more conservative as they have kids, buy a house, and all other things that cost money.
Success breeds success (you should say thank you to your parents as I to mine) it breeds pride and many positive emotions. Hand outs breed self contempt and a feeling of entitlement for more.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 04, 2011 at 0735 hrs
That is interesting, yet most of your arguments are for about 1 in 6 people receiving food stamps, about 3 in 6 people paying no taxes who then receive refunds and about 1/2 of all students receiving Government aid of some sort for college after a free k-12 education, in effect, saying thank you to the Governmernt rather than to their family or friends?
I disagree with that assessment, but yes succinctly put I tend to take an “All for One, One for All” position when it comes to the broad parameters of our social contract.
I am not particularly drawn to lifeboat ethics which somtimes seems the primary default position around here.
That’s after you get past the usual R/C & D/L finger pointing.
I also favor free education at any level for anybody who can hack it.
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 04, 2011 at 0815 hrs
I disagree with that assessment, but yes succinctly put I tend to take an “All for One, One for All” position when it comes to the broad parameters of our social contract.
I am not sure I understand. Succinctly put, you just disagreed with and then agreed (again) with my assessment, unless we are talking theory/fantasy only, I guess. An all for one, one for all is a Socialist (not in the slur context of Republicans, but in the theoretical construct taught as a good thing in schools today) policy requiring redistribution does it not? For everyone to win, all of the losers have to be redfined, so that they have won too. Put that aside, I am assuming you disagree with the nuts and bolts of US redistribution at this time, but you think, in a broad context, that there should be some, correct?
I also favor free education at any level for anybody who can hack it.
Another interesting comment. I am for free k-12 education too. I would be for free secondary education if there were stringent tests proving aptitiude for whatever additional schooling is needed, assuming then that prices charges for more specialized services were somewhat more in line with a good shoe salesman who gets you in to a well fitting, well made shoe. If I am paying for all of the education of my doctor, my teacher and my septic pumper, why should one be paid much more than the other? I am certainly not interested in paying for years early retirement til death of just one of them as they are really public workers at this point, aren’t they?
Back to school, can we agree that anyone who is going to College who needs to take remedial reading or math, should not be going, at least for free? (Here is where I need your definition of ‘hack’.)
You know what makes College so expensive? Requiring courses that were taught in HS, all electives and ‘gym’ classes, etc. History in College should only be taught in a context, such as education, archeology, or history of medicine or law for doctors or lawyers. Stop paying 75% of the ‘Professors’ with useless courses in secondary education, require only courses involving a specific vocation where one major may only require 40 credits while another may require 120. Do that and College may become so affordable that no one would feel the need to pay for all of it publicly anyway. Allow young adults to ‘round out’ their education with real life instead of some Professor’s twisted skew on “The Lord of the Rings”.
Pay for tuitions to Colleges as they are today? No way!
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 07, 2011 at 0806 hrs
Put that aside, I am assuming you disagree with the nuts and bolts of US redistribution at this time, but you think, in a broad context, that there should be some, correct?
Yep!
Especially as it relates to this:
Whether we are a nation that still believes in equality of opportunity…
If you believe in the former, you follow the American Idea that justice is done when we level the playing field at the starting line, and rewards are proportionate to merit and effort.
(Here is where I need your definition of ‘hack’.)
To cope with successfully; manage:
Posted by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) on November 07, 2011 at 1033 hrs
Put that aside, I am assuming you disagree with the nuts and bolts of US redistribution at this time, but you think, in a broad context, that there should be some, correct?
Yep!
I fully agree with a level playing field at the starting line so long as the proportionate rewards are actually awarded. While the 1% percent probably would disagree with that philosophy, I think most Republicans, conservatives and Independents would agree. It is liberals that want to equalize the outcome rather than the income. I think the most broken liberal Professor would admit that our school system as a whole needs major changes.
To cope with successfully; manage:
Then in context, I disagree. Someone who chose to or was influenced not to learn to read, write or do basic math as a child and teen, should not be able to attend a College for free until he has learned, somehow on his own dime and time, to pass an entrance exam in to the field he wishes to study(at which point he gets one paid for major).
If he could not or chose not to ‘hack’ it earlier, he pays for the privilege to gain the skills later. Similarly, one vocation per person. You pay for any other vocations you want to learn later unless, perhaps, it is an extension of your current vocation. There should be no such thing as ‘remedial’ any class in a College environment. Any class currently in any State school that has ‘101’ at the end of it is garbage and paying a Prof more than minimum wage for teaching it is grand larceny.
Not fact, just opinion.
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